Current Events > Trump Administration to reverse ban on Elephant trophies from Africa

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Bio1590
11/15/17 11:00:46 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy
11/15/17 11:02:46 PM
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HBKick18
11/15/17 11:03:26 PM
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Scumbag administration gonna scumbag
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Dash_Harber
11/15/17 11:03:27 PM
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Trump - "Mikey?"
Pence - "Yeah Donnie?"
Trump - "What part of America haven't we messed with today?"
Pence - "Well, how about Africa?"
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alphagamerXXL
11/15/17 11:03:30 PM
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As a meat eater I cant logically have too much of a problem with this
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C_Pain
11/15/17 11:04:42 PM
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Eh...

As someone who actually knows a bunch about this, I won't say that the Fish and Wildlife expert is wrong, as hunting can and is important for supporting conservation in many areas, but the specifics of what Trump wants to change mean I don't know if he will institute good changes. Who and how permits and obtainable will be important, and there is the argument that protection of elephants is easier when no hunting is permitted at all.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
11/15/17 11:05:45 PM
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alphagamerXXL posted...
As an african native who has to periodically provide elephant meat to the village for all of us to survive, I cant logically have too much of a problem with this

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Cj_WlLL_VVlN
11/15/17 11:06:47 PM
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Isn't elephant hunting legal under certain circumstances. Doesn't it require a huge tag that pays for conservation efforts. Dont they pick old or sick elephants that are detrimental to the herd.

Aren't these people doing a lot more for the species than people crying online?
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NeoShadowhen
11/15/17 11:09:02 PM
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
Isn't elephant hunting legal under certain circumstances. Doesn't it require a huge tag that pays for conservation efforts. Dont they pick old or sick elephants that are detrimental to the herd.

Aren't these people doing a lot more for the species than people crying online?


No! Fuck Africa. Right guys?!
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Bio1590
11/15/17 11:09:27 PM
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C_Pain posted...
Eh...

As someone who actually knows a bunch about this, I won't say that the Fish and Wildlife expert is wrong, as hunting can and is important for supporting conservation in many areas, but the specifics of what Trump wants to change mean I don't know if he will institute good changes. Who and how permits and obtainable will be important, and there is the argument that protection of elephants is easier when no hunting is permitted at all.

Correct. The whole model of "They let people pay to hunt older elephants that they think won't reproduce anymore and use the money for conservation efforts" has debatable effectiveness.

And really this is just another change that is being done solely because of who it affected most.
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Mal_Fet
11/15/17 11:09:47 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
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You seem triggered

Are all species of elephant endangered?
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ImTheMacheteGuy
11/15/17 11:14:02 PM
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Mal_Fet posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration.

You seem triggered

Are all species of elephant endangered?


Haha I love you man don't ever give that up :P
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Sativa_Rose
11/15/17 11:14:52 PM
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It's also important to distinguish between private land and land set aside by the government for nature conservation. From what I understand, these hunting ranches are on private property, so the owners of that property are choosing to use it for housing wildlife when it could otherwise be put to other uses, uses which probably wouldn't allow elephants and other wildlife to roam around.

So that's another thing that must be considered, because another effect of these ranches is having more land dedicated (at least somewhat) towards conservation in addition to what is in the country's national parks and other protected wildlife areas. It sure beats having the land clearcut and bulldozed into farmland.
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Bio1590
11/15/17 11:14:59 PM
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
Isn't elephant hunting legal under certain circumstances. Doesn't it require a huge tag that pays for conservation efforts. Dont they pick old or sick elephants that are detrimental to the herd.

Aren't these people doing a lot more for the species than people crying online?

The effectiveness of this model is highly debatable and there may be more evidence that it's bad than that it's good.

Like,

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/10/151017-zimbabwe-elephant-tusker-trophy-hunting-poaching-conservation-africa-ivory-trade/

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/11/151715-conservation-trophy-hunting-elephants-tusks-poaching-zimbabwe-namibia/
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UnholyMudcrab
11/15/17 11:40:13 PM
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bevan306
11/15/17 11:53:23 PM
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Polycosm
11/16/17 5:02:07 AM
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What about elephant trophies from America? I suspect Mueller is going to claim several.
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PolishCockatiel
11/16/17 5:09:37 AM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Wishing death upon hundreds of people is totally over reacting and uncalled for, man.
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Tropicalwood
11/16/17 5:14:50 AM
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Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
Isn't elephant hunting legal under certain circumstances. Doesn't it require a huge tag that pays for conservation efforts. Dont they pick old or sick elephants that are detrimental to the herd.

Aren't these people doing a lot more for the species than people crying online?

Yeah, they generally send out hunters to kill the ones that are severally injured and the hunters will take the ivory.
Hunters also hunt them just for sport and give the bodies to the locals to use for food and medicine, so the trophy bullshit is just a way of diminishing the memories.
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UnholyMudcrab
11/16/17 5:17:19 AM
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Tropicalwood posted...
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...
Isn't elephant hunting legal under certain circumstances. Doesn't it require a huge tag that pays for conservation efforts. Dont they pick old or sick elephants that are detrimental to the herd.

Aren't these people doing a lot more for the species than people crying online?

Yeah, they generally send out hunters to kill the ones that are severally injured and the hunters will take the ivory.
Hunters also hunt them just for sport and give the bodies to the locals to use for food and medicine, so the trophy bullshit is just a way of diminishing the memories.

Oh, what noble souls they are.
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treewojima
11/16/17 5:19:54 AM
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In unrelated news, Donald Trump Jr. has scheduled a cross-continent tour of Africa to help foster American interests abroad.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
11/16/17 10:25:34 AM
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PolishCockatiel posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Wishing death upon hundreds of people is totally over reacting and uncalled for, man.


Overreactive death penalty is one of my gimmicks brah
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Questionmarktarius
11/16/17 10:27:07 AM
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Bio1590 posted...
kiJhBQt

The hell purpose does an elephant tail serve?
It just seems like it would quickly rot and smell bad, or be an ordeal to preserve.
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E32005
11/16/17 10:29:34 AM
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HBKick18 posted...
Scumbag administration gonna scumbag

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Kim Kusanagi
11/16/17 10:32:36 AM
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Mal_Fet posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration. death penalty for trump administration.

You seem triggered

Are all species of elephant endangered?


There are only two species of elephants and only one in Africa, you fucking trumpanzee
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Questionmarktarius
11/16/17 10:32:39 AM
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If you want to help the elephants, legalize the ivory trade.
Elephants will quickly become mass-bred and farmed, and the farmers will have a very strong economic incentive to protect the animals from poachers.

See also:
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/01/160122-Hume-South-Africa-rhino-farm/
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SamuelHayden
11/16/17 10:44:10 AM
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What could have been the rationale for allowing this?

Bio1590 posted...
http://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-admin-reverse-ban-elephant-trophies-africa/story?id=51178663&cid=social_twitter_abcn

Hmmmmmm

kiJhBQt

Oh yeah


Nevermind. This is literally the only reason why.
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Phantom_Nook
11/17/17 10:27:46 PM
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-puts-decision-allow-elephant-hunting-trophy-imports-hold-022152590.html

Trump puts decision on hold after outcry.
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Giblet_Enjoyer
11/17/17 10:43:46 PM
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in 2014, then-president obama barred...

Found your problem.

Fucking donnie, you petty motherfucker
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Giblet_Enjoyer
11/17/17 10:53:05 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
If you want to help the elephants, legalize the ivory trade.
Elephants will quickly become mass-bred and farmed, and the farmers will have a very strong economic incentive to protect the animals from poachers.

See also:
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/01/160122-Hume-South-Africa-rhino-farm/

This is probably a good idea, just flood the fuck out of the market to tank the value of ivory. Unfortunately the gestation period of elephants is like 2 years or something like that and idk how long their tusks take to grow back but the ball could probably get rolling within like 20 years probably
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Wolf_J_Flywheel
11/17/17 11:05:04 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
I never imagined I could hate a single person as much as I hate Trump.

I wonder how many people like you will end up with brain tumors by the end of his 8 years in office?
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UnholyMudcrab
11/17/17 11:05:47 PM
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Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
I never imagined I could hate a single person as much as I hate Trump.

I wonder how many people like you will end up with brain tumors by the end of his 8 years in office?

What a mature individual we have here.
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Waluigi7
11/17/17 11:13:20 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Wolf_J_Flywheel posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
I never imagined I could hate a single person as much as I hate Trump.

I wonder how many people like you will end up with brain tumors by the end of his 8 years in office?

What a mature individual we have here.

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Sativa_Rose
11/17/17 11:32:49 PM
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Kim Kusanagi posted...
There are only two species of elephants and only one in Africa, you fucking trumpanzee


Actually I am pretty sure they recently discovered that African Elephants are actually two species

Scientists fairly recently realized that there is an African Bush Elephant and a smaller African Forest Elephant that are separate species.
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Kim Kusanagi
11/18/17 8:20:55 PM
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Sativa_Rose posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
There are only two species of elephants and only one in Africa, you fucking trumpanzee


Actually I am pretty sure they recently discovered that African Elephants are actually two species

Scientists fairly recently realized that there is an African Bush Elephant and a smaller African Forest Elephant that are separate species.


Like last three weeks?
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Sativa_Rose
11/19/17 1:16:30 AM
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Kim Kusanagi posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
Kim Kusanagi posted...
There are only two species of elephants and only one in Africa, you fucking trumpanzee


Actually I am pretty sure they recently discovered that African Elephants are actually two species

Scientists fairly recently realized that there is an African Bush Elephant and a smaller African Forest Elephant that are separate species.


Like last three weeks?


Umm no it was longer ago than that
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