Current Events > Battlefront 2's microtransactions are STILL pay to win

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/11/09/despite-changes-star-wars-battlefront-2-will-continue-to-face-pay-to-win-accusations/

Lol and to think some of you actually were naive and gullible enough to put your trust in EA of all companies to fix this.

It's 2017 and if you haven't learned by now EA can never be trusted or their words hold no weight then there's no hope for you
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I mean, they can still fix it theoretically. There was enough backlash from the beta that they changed the system once, it's entirely possible they'll fix it again.
Or maybe not...
People will buy whatever is shoveled in front of them.
:|

Who the fuck still acts like they can honestly trust EA?

Sadly, this is the future of video gaming though. Better to just stop playing this garbage like I have.
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50Blessings posted...

Who the fuck still acts like they can honestly trust EA?

Sadly, this is the future of video gaming though. Better to just stop playing this garbage like I have.

I saw so many people in another topic saying EA will fix the microtransactions, that they won't be pay to win and everything will be fine.

Hell when it was first revealed they were pay to win there were people here on CE denying that Electronic Fucking Arts of all companies would ever do such a thing.

I will never understand how someone can unironically out their faith and trust in EA of all companies after all the shit they've pulled over the years
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Having a system that is so blatantly pay-to-win that even a toddler can understand it is theoretically just 100% counter to a company's interests, so it becomes really easy to believe that they would fix such a system before release :|

Hexenherz posted...

Having a system that is so blatantly pay-to-win that even a toddler can understand it is theoretically just 100% counter to a company's interests

Uh no, EA's only interests are sucking up as much cash as humanly possible customer satisfaction be fucking damned

Hexenherz posted...

it becomes really easy to believe that they would fix such a system before release :|

No it doesn't EA is a giant soulless and mindless corporate entity, they know pay to win is more profitable than optional cosmetics that don't force you to spend money on lootboxes
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Hey look, another AAA game that is never worth trying. This is the shit that made mobile games horrible to the point where I stoped even looking at the App Store.
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And the more people continue to fund these things, the more likely they will become more prevalent. We only have ourselves to blame for companies doing them more and more.
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Funkydog posted...

We only have ourselves to blame for companies doing them more and more.

No we don't, we only have the handful of whales who keep outspending all of us who complain about this stuff combined to blame for this
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ZombiePelican posted...

Funkydog posted...

We only have ourselves to blame for companies doing them more and more.

No we don't, we only have the handful of whales who keep outspending all of us who complain about this stuff combined to blame for this

Loads of people pay up, not just a few, sadly
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Funkydog posted...

Loads of people pay up, not just a few, sadly

Yeah, but the majority spend little to nothing, most profits from microtransactions comes from whales
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ZombiePelican posted...

Hexenherz posted...

Having a system that is so blatantly pay-to-win that even a toddler can understand it is theoretically just 100% counter to a company's interests

Uh no, EA's only interests are sucking up as much cash as humanly possible customer satisfaction be fucking damned

Hexenherz posted...

it becomes really easy to believe that they would fix such a system before release :|

No it doesn't EA is a giant soulless and mindless corporate entity, they know pay to win is more profitable than optional cosmetics that don't force you to spend money on lootboxes

The point I'm trying to make is that blatant greed in an ideal world would not be rewarded with blind consumerism. Given the negative publicity around the original system and the revised system, I would hope/have faith that they would fix it ultimately.

Uh no, EA's only interests are sucking up as much cash as humanly possible customer satisfaction be fucking damned

I was trying to express the idea that charging for things that should be in the game already should theoretically hurt the product's attraction to the consumer base and consequently cut into the revenue generated by that product.

Does the game actually have proper offline content?

Like the original from 2004?

Or is it just the Campaign?
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What other offline content are you hoping for? In addition to the campaign there's an arcade mode with various challenges to complete, but I guess that only has co-op on the console versions...

Hexenherz posted...

The point I'm trying to make is that blatant greed in an ideal world would not be rewarded with blind consumerism.

In an ideal world most consumers wouldn't be drooling drones only following the latest trends, but we don't live in one unfortunately

Hexenherz posted...

Given the negative publicity around the original system and the revised system, I would hope/have faith that they would fix it ultimately.

EA doesn't care about negative publicity , they were voted worst company on Earth twice and have only gotten worse from there after swearing to improve (which I called busllshit then too)

Negative PR doesn't mean shit when you're making boatloads of cash despite there being negative PR

Hexenherz posted...

I was trying to express the idea that charging for things that should be in the game already should theoretically hurt the product's attraction to the consumer base and consequently cut into the revenue generated by that product.

You'd think, but the draw of the license and the game itself is enough to tempt them to look past the microtransactions.

It's why they're always so egregious in games that can pretty much never fail. Sports games, CoD, Battlefield, etc....
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That "worst company in the US" poll was a bit of a sham imo, though. I mean, that's a clear example of the general public having very poorly placed priorities.

Battlefield's always been a quality product (albeit with rocky launches historically), don't know why you'd group that in with sports games or Call of Duty....

The only thing to hope for imho is for the government to get involved down the line and for someone in it to classify this horse shit as gambling. Or it being an addiction. Something. Anything. I don't even care if it's accurate. But that's most likely the only way we see an end to these damn things.

Just wait until some judge or senator's kid puts a $20000 bill on daddy's credit card for loot crates. Then something will happen. It's only a matter of time.
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EternalDivide posted...

The only thing to hope for imho is for the government to get involved down the line and for someone in it to classify this horse shit as gambling. Or it being an addiction. Something. Anything. I don't even care if it's accurate. But that's most likely the only way we see an end to these damn things.

Just wait until some judge or senator's kid puts a $20000 bill on daddy's credit card for loot crates. Then something will happen. It's only a matter of time.

It 100% is gambling and kids spend loads on it
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Hexenherz posted...

Battlefield's always been a quality product (albeit with rocky launches historically), don't know why you'd group that in with sports games or Call of Duty....

It has nothing to do with the games being bad but quite the opposite. They're good games the publisher knows will be popular and profitable so they throw in microtransactions in top of that making it an avaricious frosting on a greed filled cake

EternalDivide posted...

The only thing to hope for imho is for the government to get involved down the line and for someone in it to classify this horse shit as gambling.

Never going to happen, big publishers keep the government good and lobbied. It's how they're able to hide the profits from microtransactions in overseas tax shelters legally.

EternalDivide posted...

Just wait until some judge or senator's kid puts a $20000 bill on their credit card for loot crates. Then something will happen. It's only a matter of time.

While to no big name individuals have had this happen to them, this is an almost common thing now. I see an article every so often about how some kid ran up has parent's credit card with microtransactions in games like Madden or Halo

Nothing is going to happen until whales stop out spending us all and giving publishers billions in profits
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But the microtransactions in the Battlefield series have been almost non-existent compared to what they're doing in Battlefront 2. They're also a relatively new trend to the series as a whole.

Hexenherz posted...

But the microtransactions in the Battlefield series have been almost non-existent compared to what they're doing in Battlefront 2. They're also a relatively new trend to the series as a whole.

I feel like you're completely missing my point.

That's the fucking point. They were quality and popular games BEFORE microtransactions were shoehorned in to them to the point to where adding them still wasn't enough to deter people from buying it.

Which is why they're always in games that in no way could ever fail even after pissing off lots of people by adding microtransactions
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But your point seems to be that the microtransactions in previous Dice games were harmful to the community somehow. I don't agree with that at all since they were basically all cosmetic and never unlocked anything you couldn't get in the game through playing. That on its own should not be a deterrent from someone buying the game.

Microtransactions that are clearly pay to win, even after a big revision, are definitely a deterrent, though.

tbh i dont really feel like this is a big deal.

from what i played in the battlefront 2 beta, the game just felt like an even more dumbed down star wars skin of battlefield, so its not like anyone is going to play this competitively.
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"Playing competitively" or not, the fact is that the game's advancement system was based entirely on 100% random loot crate rewards. It's not a rewarding system and it ruins the concept of a level playing field for players.

This is why Goldeneye, Perfect Dark and Quake will always be the GOATs

No rankings, no fucking unlocks. Just a map and a bunch of weapons spread about and your skill.
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For a while I thought EA was a little better than what they once were. But they haven't done anything with the Star Wars license. There's no excuse for that. Battlefront 2 actually seems like an okay game too, but it has all the garbage weighing it down.
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I mean Visceral was making a Star Wars game and that's getting picked up by Respawn, or at least that's the word on the street >_>. It seems like Disney's doing a lot more quality control / management, too, so I don't think they can just pump out Star Wars games semi-annually.

Hexenherz posted...

It seems like Disney's doing a lot more quality control / management, too, so I don't think they can just pump out Star Wars games semi-annually.

Warner makes better Star Wars games than EA ever could, and still get to do so via some loophole or something in the licensing deal.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/LegoStarWarsTheForceAwakens.jpg

Where's my Lego Rogue One, dammit?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Hexenherz posted...

It seems like Disney's doing a lot more quality control / management, too, so I don't think they can just pump out Star Wars games semi-annually.

Warner makes better Star Wars games than EA ever could, and still get to do so via some loophole or something in the licensing deal.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/LegoStarWarsTheForceAwakens.jpg

Where's my Lego Rogue One, dammit?

Yeah... thatd be nice...

And one for The Last Jedi... though ive yet to see that one.
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Everyone has a different definition of "pay to win." In my personal experience, most of the advantages from gun variants (like in CoD: IW) have been extremely slight advantages. Not noticeable in minute-to-minute gameplay. Like someone else said, the beta felt like a watered down battlefield. I'm really not going to care/notice that I got one extra kill per match (if that) because I had a 3% quicker reload or something.

Is it still a shitty business practice? Sure. Will I get the game? Probably not. But thinking everyone got duped and you were one of the few to see through the light or something? Lol. Enough with the straw man circle jerk. If someone is "defending" EA, it's probably closer in line with the fact that they don't give a shit and think it's that big of a deal. Baddies will still be bad with the card improvements, good players will still contend regardless of the "gimp." It's a mindless, casual shooter anyway. If playing one of the specific heroes was the major appeal, just don't buy it.
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