Current Events > Are the pokemon movies canon or are they like the dbz movies?

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Idk
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all the mewtwo ones are canon
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The first movie appears to be canon but the rest don't seem to be (including the sequel to the first movie).
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is anything about the show canon?
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As far as I know, but Pokemon doesn't have the rigid story line that makes movies hard to place or even make without making contradictions.
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The First movie (Mewtwo Strikes Back) and--thanks to comment in the Johto arc (during the Lugia episodes)--the Lugia movie are canon to the anime. The Mewtwo special (Mewtwo Returns) is also canon, since it continues on from the movie and resolves that particular Mewtwo's character arc.

The rest of the films are basically glorified filler. The newest one doesn't even try to fit in, and is confirmed to be set in an alternate continuity.
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I dont remember the Lugia episode dialogue anymore so I thoufht they had ignored the 2000 movie. Did they actually reference the movie in the Whirlpool Islands episodes? Because I was so confused by multiple Lugia beijg present.

As for Mewtwo Returns, I know it definitely continued where the movie left off BUT Mewtwo didn't wipe their minds this time yet I feel like its never referenced at all afterwards and had no impact or way to really fit into the arc it took place in so I always felt like it was discontinuity.
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Is there an actual canon to the anime? I always recall the show basically having no plot, kinda like Inuyasha. Sure there's a big overarching story of Ash trying to get badges and what not, but for the most part it's just self contained episodes with an occasional two-parter.
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MC_BatCommander posted...

Is there an actual canon to the anime? I always recall the show basically having no plot, kinda like Inuyasha. Sure there's a big overarching story of Ash trying to get badges and what not, but for the most part it's just self contained episodes with an occasional two-parter.

Misty and Brock showed up again like a month ago. The show as a whole is canon
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Even though the show has been running for like 20 years, it has been less than a year since Ash has started his journey.

AKA they dont give a single fuck about canon or continuity.
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Xelltrix posted...

I dont remember the Lugia episode dialogue anymore so I thoufht they had ignored the 2000 movie. Did they actually reference the movie in the Whirlpool Islands episodes? Because I was so confused by multiple Lugia beijg present.

There was an episode with another Lugia, and Ash and co said "yeah I saw one in the Orange Islands too, I'm cool like that."
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Chicken posted...

Even though the show has been running for like 20 years, it has been less than a year since Ash has started his journey.

AKA they dont give a single fuck about canon or continuity.

They clearly said when he came back to viridion city that it had been a year since he started.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

Chicken posted...

Even though the show has been running for like 20 years, it has been less than a year since Ash has started his journey.

AKA they dont give a single fuck about canon or continuity.

They clearly said when he came back to viridion city that it had been a year since he started.

Yet hes still 10 years old, which has been mentioned several times, even somewhat recently.
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Makeveli_lives posted...

Chicken posted...

Even though the show has been running for like 20 years, it has been less than a year since Ash has started his journey.

AKA they dont give a single fuck about canon or continuity.

They clearly said when he came back to viridion city that it had been a year since he started.

As of the Sun/Moon anime, he's still 10, and the writers have recently gone on record saying that the characters don't age in the show and that no time has passed since Ash originally left Pallet Town.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Makeveli_lives posted...

Chicken posted...

Even though the show has been running for like 20 years, it has been less than a year since Ash has started his journey.

AKA they dont give a single fuck about canon or continuity.

They clearly said when he came back to viridion city that it had been a year since he started.

As of the Sun/Moon anime, he's still 10, and the writers have recently gone on record saying that the characters don't age in the show and that no time has passed since Ash originally left Pallet Town.

Which would explain why he cant win a single fucking pokemon league.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Makeveli_lives posted...

Chicken posted...

Even though the show has been running for like 20 years, it has been less than a year since Ash has started his journey.

AKA they dont give a single fuck about canon or continuity.

They clearly said when he came back to viridion city that it had been a year since he started.

As of the Sun/Moon anime, he's still 10, and the writers have recently gone on record saying that the characters don't age in the show and that no time has passed since Ash originally left Pallet Town.

I never understood this train of thought. Do they really think the target demo is that picky? Like, I remember watching cartoons as a kid and I didn't give a fuck off the characters were older than me. Hell, most people in their 20s and 30s now grew up watching DBZ where most of the characters were well over 20 years old, and that show was huge back then.
Are children now really gonna be like "Ooooh ya know I really like the concept of Pokemon but I can't identify with the characters because they're like 14 years old..." Gimme a break lol.
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If they wanted to keep a young protagonist they shoulda just made each new region star a different cast of trainers, and have old ones pop in from time to time to fuck em up and show theyve gotten better.
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Chicken posted...

If they wanted to keep a young protagonist they shoulda just made each new region star a different cast of trainers, and have old ones pop in from time to time to fuck em up and show theyve gotten better.

Apparently, they were planning to do this, I believe with either the Black/White arc or the Sun/Moon arc, but either way, it got vetoed.
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It's not like anyone is really attached to Ash are they? They can literally substitute him with anyone, anything in fact. Even a plant.
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saspa posted...

It's not like anyone is really attached to Ash are they? They can literally substitute him with anyone, anything in fact. Even a plant.

Pikachu could get tired of Ashs shit and run away to hang out with a new kid.
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I think it's more about Pikachu than about Ash, Pikachu is the mascot. If they have such a high turnover rate in audience as they age out, they shouldn't really have a problem with swapping out the kid. However, I guess they figure it's easier to just keep Ash around and have Pikachu instead of trying to keep a Pikachu around in some other fashion or something.
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Japan love Ash though (rather, they love Satoshi or whatever his name is). He'll continue to be around.
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Wait is his name really satoshi in japan? as in the creator of pokemon?
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Solar_Crimson posted...

The First movie (Mewtwo Strikes Back) and--thanks to comment in the Johto arc (during the Lugia episodes)--the Lugia movie are canon to the anime. The Mewtwo special (Mewtwo Returns) is also canon, since it continues on from the movie and resolves that particular Mewtwo's character arc.

The rest of the films are basically glorified filler. The newest one doesn't even try to fit in, and is confirmed to be set in an alternate continuity.

I heard the newest one is a straight soft reboot of the franchise. If so, good. Let's celebrate the first 1000 episodes, and may it get 10,000 more!
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Holy fuck me in the ass it really does have nearly 1000 episodes. 992 so far? The actual fuck what is, this? How did they make so many.
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saspa posted...

Holy fuck me in the ass it really does have nearly 1000 episodes. 992 so far? The actual fuck what is, this? How did they make so many.

The show's been on for 20 years and there's a new episode almost every week. You do the math.
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Let's say 50 weeks, 20 x 50 = ... 1000. Huh. How dedicated of them.
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Basically everything in the anime is canon. The single discrepancy is the fact that no one ages.

The movies have very little issue with fitting with the series, typically thought of coming after the most recent episode before the movie's Japanese release and before the episode that comes after the movie's release.
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I'm pretty sure the one about Latias and Latios is, because Ash recognizes Latios when he fights one in the Sinnoh League.

some are (like all the mewtwo movies, even the one with genesect; the lucario movie; maybe the first 3 DP movies; probably others), while some others may not be
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The first movie even makes a point of erasing their memories which I never really liked.
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