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https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

The primaries were confirmed to be rigged against Bernie Sanders. The primaries were Hillary Clinton's right hand.

Duh
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Are we ever going to stop talking about the election... it was almost a year ago. You'd think it was 9/11 or an episode of Twin Peaks or something

I mean... is anyone surprised?

You know she didn't get elected, right? Move on with your life.
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Syntheticon posted...

You know she didn't get elected, right? Move on with your life.

Yes, but the system that allowed this to happen is still a very real problem. Arguably one of the bigger problems in the entire world. Possibly more important than people kneeling at football games. That might be a stretch.

And the Republican primaries weren't rigged at all and I'm thankful for that every fucking day.

Yellow posted...

Yes, but the system that allowed this to happen is still a very real problem. Arguably one of the bigger problems in the entire world

It's a private party, they're allowed to be as corrupt and awful as they want.
It's their right to be dickholes about it.

Blightzkrieg posted...

And the Republican primaries weren't rigged at all and I'm thankful for that every fucking day.

Who needs to rig that? Just get people to ask to be screwed over and hide it in plain sight.

shadowsword87 posted...

It's a private party, they're allowed to be as corrupt and awful as they want.
It's their right to be dickholes about it.

Is Hillary allowed to buy out the primaries? Is that her right?

Most of the claims about scheming against Bernie were overblown to the point of hyperbole. It's sad and pathetic that people are still making excuses for Bernie losing to justify that loss in their minds all this time later.

More importantly, Lex Luthor was a businessman. Hillary Clinton is a life-long politician who got rich for holding office -- the same as Bernie Sanders. And, given that Lex Luthor ushered the USA into an era of prosperity during Superman: Red Son and other story arcs, the country might be lucky to have a real-life Lex Luthor at the helm (you know, assuming that his hatred of Superman doesn't blind him into trying to stop a meteor by himself)

Yellow posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

It's a private party, they're allowed to be as corrupt and awful as they want.
It's their right to be dickholes about it.

Is Hillary allowed to buy out the primaries? Is that her right?

Given that the DNC is free to back whoever they want, duh. If they decided to push Hillary exclusively -- which they didn't -- it would have been within their rights.
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Zeus posted...

It's sad and pathetic that people are still making excuses for Bernie losing to justify that loss in their minds all this time later.

Did I just hear you call Trump sad and pathetic?

No, actually, the head of the DNC just confirmed it.

shadowsword87 posted...

I mean... is anyone surprised?

Some people still actually don't believe it, as seen above.

More importantly, if you want to complain about something gaming the system for their personal benefit, why not whine about Bernie Sanders? The man had FIFTY years to register as a Democrat and, after snubbing the party all that time, he makes a deathbed conversion just so he can run as a member of a major political party.

Keep in mind that not only did Bernie have multiple party affiliations during that time, but he also stuck as independent. He did NOTHING for the Democrats. NOTHING. Meanwhile Hillary Clinton has been a loyal Democrat for longer than most people in this country have been alive. She's raised money for the DNC. She's helped to prop up Democrats running for office. She's done more for the party than than the vast majority of Democrats. If the DNC did decide to back her 100%, they would be making the right choice because she's loyal while Bernie is a stray mongrel with ZERO loyalties to the Democrats and extremist ideologies which conflict with the group.
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Yellow posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

I mean... is anyone surprised?

Some people still actually don't believe it, as seen above.

Because most of the allegations are nonsense conspiracy theories allowing the feeblest among us to justify Bernie's rightful loss in their minds. "Oh, he didn't lose because he was a fucking crackpot out of touch with the Democrats and America at large! It was the DNC which conspired against him! The DNC forced people to vote how they wanted. Everybody really wanted to elect Bernie but they got tricked!"
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Zeus posted...

If they decided to push Hillary exclusively -- which they didn't -- it would have been within their rights.

All right Zeus, that's where I'm going to stop you there.
It was clear that the DNC decided to push as hard as they could for Hillary.

Zeus posted...

Because most of the allegations are nonsense conspiracy theories

That the head of the DNC just confirmed.

Is it within their rights or is it not true? You're saying two different things at once.

Holy shit.
I agree with Zeus.
Dear god it's the end of days.

Yellow posted...

Zeus posted...

Because most of the allegations are nonsense conspiracy theories

That the head of the DNC just confirmed.

Is it within their rights or is it not true? You're saying two different things at once.

Wrong. Read what she said:

I had promised Bernie when I took the helm of the Democratic National Committee after the convention that I would get to the bottom of whether Hillary Clintons team had rigged the nomination process, as a cache of emails stolen by Russian hackers and posted online had suggested. Id had my suspicions from the moment I walked in the door of the DNC a month or so earlier, based on the leaked emails. But who knew if some of them might have been forged? I needed to have solid proof, and so did Bernie.

Her suspicions were based on the DNC leak, which largely concerned steering which happened AFTER Bernie Sanders had been mathematically eliminated and was running a Kasich gambit -- ignoring the fact he couldn't win, trying to siphon enough votes to get to a brokered convention, and then hope to steal the spot from the top candidate.

Bernie Sanders is a consummate piece of shit and our country is better for him not making it into the general election.
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#hilaryforprison
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wah_wah_wah posted...

You'd think it was 9/11

A lot of liberals acted like it was.
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Zeus posted...

Wrong. Read what she said:

This is funny because she's explaining how she didn't know beforehand.

Now read past the first paragraph.

By September 7, the day I called Bernie, I had found my proof and it broke my heart.

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The Saturday morning after the convention in July, I called Gary Gensler, the chief financial officer of Hillarys campaign. He wasted no words. He told me the Democratic Party was broke and $2 million in debt.

What? I screamed. I am an officer of the party and theyve been telling us everything is fine and they were raising money with no problems.

That wasnt true, he said. Officials from Hillarys campaign had taken a look at the DNCs books. Obama left the party $24 million in debt$15 million in bank debt and more than $8 million owed to vendors after the 2012 campaignand had been paying that off very slowly. Obamas campaign was not scheduled to pay it off until 2016. Hillary for America (the campaign) and the Hillary Victory Fund (its joint fundraising vehicle with the DNC) had taken care of 80 percent of the remaining debt in 2016, about $10 million, and had placed the party on an allowance.

If I didnt know about this, I assumed that none of the other officers knew about it, either. That was just Debbies way. In my experience she didnt come to the officers of the DNC for advice and counsel. She seemed to make decisions on her own and let us know at the last minute what she had decided, as she had done when she told us about the hacking only minutes before the Washington Post broke the news.

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On the phone Gary told me the DNC had needed a $2 million loan, which the campaign had arranged.

No! That cant be true! I said. The party cannot take out a loan without the unanimous agreement of all of the officers.

Gary, how did they do this without me knowing? I asked. I dont know how Debbie relates to the officers, Gary said. He described the party as fully under the control of Hillarys campaign, which seemed to confirm the suspicions of the Bernie camp. The campaign had the DNC on life support, giving it money every month to meet its basic expenses, while the campaign was using the party as a fund-raising clearinghouse. Under FEC law, an individual can contribute a maximum of $2,700 directly to a presidential campaign. But the limits are much higher for contributions to state parties and a partys national committee.

knivesX2004 posted...

Holy shit.
I agree with Zeus.
Dear god it's the end of days.

You picked a wrong day.

Yellow posted...

Zeus posted...

Wrong. Read what she said:

This is funny because she's explaining how she didn't know beforehand.

Now read past the first paragraph.

By September 7, the day I called Bernie, I had found my proof and it broke my heart.

***

The Saturday morning after the convention in July, I called Gary Gensler, the chief financial officer of Hillarys campaign. He wasted no words. He told me the Democratic Party was broke and $2 million in debt.

What? I screamed. I am an officer of the party and theyve been telling us everything is fine and they were raising money with no problems.

That wasnt true, he said. Officials from Hillarys campaign had taken a look at the DNCs books. Obama left the party $24 million in debt$15 million in bank debt and more than $8 million owed to vendors after the 2012 campaignand had been paying that off very slowly. Obamas campaign was not scheduled to pay it off until 2016. Hillary for America (the campaign) and the Hillary Victory Fund (its joint fundraising vehicle with the DNC) had taken care of 80 percent of the remaining debt in 2016, about $10 million, and had placed the party on an allowance.

If I didnt know about this, I assumed that none of the other officers knew about it, either. That was just Debbies way. In my experience she didnt come to the officers of the DNC for advice and counsel. She seemed to make decisions on her own and let us know at the last minute what she had decided, as she had done when she told us about the hacking only minutes before the Washington Post broke the news.

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On the phone Gary told me the DNC had needed a $2 million loan, which the campaign had arranged.

No! That cant be true! I said. The party cannot take out a loan without the unanimous agreement of all of the officers.

Gary, how did they do this without me knowing? I asked. I dont know how Debbie relates to the officers, Gary said. He described the party as fully under the control of Hillarys campaign, which seemed to confirm the suspicions of the Bernie camp. The campaign had the DNC on life support, giving it money every month to meet its basic expenses, while the campaign was using the party as a fund-raising clearinghouse. Under FEC law, an individual can contribute a maximum of $2,700 directly to a presidential campaign. But the limits are much higher for contributions to state parties and a partys national committee.

None of which says that the DNC did anything to steer the election in Hillary's favor. And, if anything, it just demonstrates that Hillary was a good Democrat loyal to her party while Bernie Sanders, a consummate piece of shit who did little to nothing to fund raise for the DNC and backed few if any Democrats, was the same degenerate, value-less opportunist he always was.

I've never been a huge Hillary Clinton fan, but I've never pretended that there was some conspiracy like this to attack her because I'm not a partisan hack, unlike some people apparently.
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It's kind of sad you actually believe with all that money she never leveraged power over it. Part of the deal was that all press releases had to pass Hillary's campaign's desk. She bought them out, she owned the DNC.

I'm sure she was so non-partisan with her competitors, but then again you believe companies should be regulating themselves because they know their area the best.

And sure they're technically allowed to do it, but it's just a testament to how shitty the DNC is right now. Democracy? What is that? Hillary has the most money.

Yellow posted...

It's kind of sad you actually believe with all that money she never leveraged power over it. Part of the deal was that all press releases had to pass Hillary's campaign's desk.

You're literally just connecting dots. You have nothing to support accusations, but you're filling in the blanks however you want via Littlefinger's game. (While, by the way, curiously not applying the same standard to Bernie Sanders who raised tremendous sums of money and did NOT appropriately donate to the DNC.)
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Zeus posted...

You're literally just connecting dots. You have nothing to support accusations, but you're filling in the blanks however you want via Littlefinger's game. (While, by the way, curiously not applying the same standard to Bernie Sanders who raised tremendous sums of money and did NOT appropriately donate to the DNC.)

No, you picked the one insult that was above the facts.

Yellow posted...

Part of the deal was that all press releases had to pass Hillary's campaign's desk.

Yellow posted...

Zeus posted...

You're literally just connecting dots. You have nothing to support accusations, but you're filling in the blanks however you want via Littlefinger's game. (While, by the way, curiously not applying the same standard to Bernie Sanders who raised tremendous sums of money and did NOT appropriately donate to the DNC.)

No, you picked the one insult that was above the facts.

Yellow posted...

Part of the deal was that all press releases had to pass Hillary's campaign's desk.

Honestly, you sound more desperate than the hardest core Republicans whining about her emails. There's really nothing much of substance here. More importantly, I should remind you that the person who wrote the article was THE SAME WOMAN who fed debate questions to the Hillary camp, ironically one of the few actual real scandals and examples of fixing in this campaign. Oh, and before you try to tie it into a money issue, this was BEFORE Brazile held her DNC chair post. The woman who claims to have walked in having heard disturbing rumors of DNC steering WAS literally doing that steering before taking her position.
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Bernie can still win it

Yellow posted...

It's kind of sad you actually believe with all that money she never leveraged power over it. Part of the deal was that all press releases had to pass Hillary's campaign's desk. She bought them out, she owned the DNC.

I'm sure she was so non-partisan with her competitors, but then again you believe companies should be regulating themselves because they know their area the best.

And sure they're technically allowed to do it, but it's just a testament to how shitty the DNC is right now. Democracy? What is that? Hillary has the most money.

How much of that is "rigging" and how much of this is working the system in your favor, which is what anyone does when they are competing? Bernie lost the election when he promised to support the eventual nominee no matter what. It meant they could do all of this fucking of him and he had no ace card to respond to any of it.

Syntheticon posted...

You know she didn't get elected, right? Move on with your life.

Yeah but you could argue that Sanders may have had a better chance against Trump. I doubt it but maybe