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The Admiral
11/02/17 2:54:06 PM
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https://www.marketwatch.com/story/millennials-communism-sounds-pretty-chill-2017-11-01

According to the latest survey from the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, a D.C.-based nonprofit, one in two U.S. millennials say they would rather live in a socialist or communist country than a capitalist democracy.

Whats more, 22% of them have a favorable view of Karl Marx and a surprising number see Joseph Stalin and Kim Jong Un as heroes.
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Millennials now make up the largest generation in America, and were seeing some deeply worrisome trends, said Marion Smith, executive director of the organization. Millennials are increasingly turning away from capitalism and toward socialism and even communism as a viable alternative.

But do they even know what it is?

The survey, which was conducted by research and data firm YouGov, found that millennials are the least knowledgable generation on the subject, with 71% failing to identify the proper definition of communism.

Smith explained that this troubling turn highlights pervasive historical illiteracy across the country and the systemic failure of our education system to teach students about the genocide, destruction, and misery caused by communism since the Bolshevik Revolution one hundred years ago.

Other findings include the belief held by 53% of millennials that Americas economic system works against them, which is the same percentage in the prior study. Meanwhile, 66% of Gen Z, ages 16-20, say the system works for them.


tldr: millennials are completely ignorant about what socialism/Communism really are

Only silver lining seems to be that Gen Z is already much more educated.
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Irony
11/02/17 2:54:54 PM
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Well yeah most Millennials are broke ass bums that just want to sit around and get paid to do nothing
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wackyteen
11/02/17 2:56:41 PM
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As a millennial

I prefer a capitalist society with social programs

Kind of like what we have today but not so "Let's make the rich richer"
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Funkydog
11/02/17 2:56:43 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Whats more, 22% of them have a favorable view of Karl Marx and a surprising number see Joseph Stalin and Kim Jong Un as heroes.

That alone makes me dubious of this.
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Samurontai
11/02/17 2:57:24 PM
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wackyteen posted...
As a millennial

I prefer a capitalist society with social programs

Kind of like what we have today but not so "Let's make the rich richer"


This
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OpheliaAdenade
11/02/17 2:57:32 PM
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I'm sure that site is completely unbiased Addy.
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Antifar
11/02/17 2:58:02 PM
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The Admiral posted...
According to the latest survey from the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation

Hm.
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The Admiral
11/02/17 2:58:21 PM
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OpheliaAdenade posted...
I'm sure that site is completely unbiased Addy.


Marketwatch is completely unbiased.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/marketwatch/
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nicklebro
11/02/17 2:58:40 PM
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Ugh, the idea makes sense in recognizing the flaws of capitalism, but to take that and want to go back to a political system that is a proven failure makes no sense.
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Kineth
11/02/17 2:58:59 PM
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Socialism and Communism are favorable compared to crony capitalism.

At least with the former, I'm getting something out of getting fucked.
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Antifar
11/02/17 2:59:25 PM
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But anyways: generation that came of age during the great recession isn't crazy about capitalism.
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Kineth
11/02/17 2:59:36 PM
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nicklebro posted...
Ugh, the idea makes sense in recognizing the flaws of capitalism, but to take that and want to go back to a political system that is a proven failure makes no sense.


These are all economic systems, not political systems. That's why people have no fucking clue what communism or socialism actually is.
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ThePrinceFish
11/02/17 2:59:45 PM
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Kineth posted...
Socialism and Communism are favorable compared to crony capitalism.

At least with the former, I'm getting something out of getting fucked.

Implying you're not just going to starve to death while also not getting to enjoy the fruits that Capitalism has built for you.
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clearaflagrantj
11/02/17 2:59:53 PM
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Eat your pheasant, drink your wine, your days are numbered bourgeois swine
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wackyteen
11/02/17 2:59:53 PM
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Irony posted...
Well yeah most Millennials are broke ass bums that just want to sit around and get paid to do nothing

Nice strawman there.

Most people I come across want to work, but the job options they have are dead end with little to no benefits so the other option is to go into soul crushing debt to get a degree that offers them only a slight chance of getting a good job.

The reason socialism/communism is popular is because it sounds like a better deal than what people are getting right now. Why do you think Communism took Russia by storm 100 years ago? Cause it was a far better deal than the czars were giving Russia
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DragonGirlYuki
11/02/17 3:00:06 PM
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Seems like our generation are clueless to the horrors of communism.
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nicklebro
11/02/17 3:00:40 PM
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Kineth posted...
Socialism and Communism are favorable compared to crony capitalism.

At least with the former, I'm getting something out of getting fucked.

Naw man, every version of capitalism is better than communism. That doesn't mean capitalism doesn't suck sometime. But you need to choose a better replacement.
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Romulox28
11/02/17 3:00:53 PM
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Antifar posted...
But anyways: generation that came of age during the great recession isn't crazy about capitalism.

yea i think it's a mix of seeing how broken the system is plus being able to actually say non-critical things about socialism/communism now (since millennials grew up after the cold war was over).
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NibeIungsnarf
11/02/17 3:01:15 PM
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So of these presumably 51% of millennials, how many of them favour communism over socialism.

I know it's cool to pretend there's no difference, but it seems fairly disingenuous to conflate them in polling analysis.
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nicklebro
11/02/17 3:02:18 PM
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DragonGirlYuki posted...
Seems like our generation are clueless to the horrors of communism.

They are.

Read the gulag archipelago. Listen to Jordan peterson, especially if you're a liberal. He's a liberal that explains quite clearly the pitfalls of liberalism, it's important to realize neither the right or the left is always correct, and we need the other side to keep the extremes in check.
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Kineth
11/02/17 3:02:19 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Kineth posted...
Socialism and Communism are favorable compared to crony capitalism.

At least with the former, I'm getting something out of getting fucked.

Implying you're not just going to starve to death while also not getting to enjoy the fruits that Capitalism has built for you.


The US has never had a fucking free market and has always had icky nasty socialist elements to it. So no, that wasn't what I was implying at all.
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metralo
11/02/17 3:02:38 PM
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wackyteen posted...
As a millennial

I prefer a capitalist society with social programs

Kind of like what we have today but not so "Let's make the rich richer"


I think this is ultimately the best given human nature and is working wonders in various countries
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Hexenherz
11/02/17 3:03:24 PM
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tbf I doubt most people can properly define what socialism or communism are. The fact that the topic title says "Socialism/Communism" says enough.
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Kineth
11/02/17 3:03:24 PM
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nicklebro posted...
Kineth posted...
Socialism and Communism are favorable compared to crony capitalism.

At least with the former, I'm getting something out of getting fucked.

Naw man, every version of capitalism is better than communism.


Bullshit. Native American economies worked just fucking fine.
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DragonGirlYuki
11/02/17 3:04:31 PM
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I think it is safe to say any ideology taken to the extreme is bad.
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NibeIungsnarf
11/02/17 3:06:00 PM
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Kineth posted...
Bullshit. Native American economies worked just fucking fine.

You sound delusional.
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ThePrinceFish
11/02/17 3:06:27 PM
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Kineth posted...
Bullshit. Native American economies worked just fucking fine.

Do you think a Native American style economy would work for a major nation in modern times?

If so holy shit lmao
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Kineth
11/02/17 3:07:34 PM
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NibeIungsnarf posted...
Kineth posted...
Bullshit. Native American economies worked just fucking fine.

You sound delusional.


Yeah, intelligence is mistaken for craziness by the ignorant and vice versa.
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Samurontai
11/02/17 3:07:49 PM
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NibeIungsnarf posted...
Kineth posted...
Bullshit. Native American economies worked just fucking fine.

You sound delusional.


He's not wrong
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Neoconkers
11/02/17 3:07:50 PM
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The Admiral posted...
According to the latest survey from the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation,


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The Admiral
11/02/17 3:07:52 PM
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I'm assuming Kineth was joking, because there is no way he could seriously mean that.
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Kineth
11/02/17 3:08:01 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Kineth posted...
Bullshit. Native American economies worked just fucking fine.

Do you think a Native American style economy would work for a major nation in modern times?

If so holy shit lmao


No, look at what I was responding to and contextualize my answer instead of putting words in my mouth.
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nicklebro
11/02/17 3:08:20 PM
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Kineth posted...
nicklebro posted...
Kineth posted...
Socialism and Communism are favorable compared to crony capitalism.

At least with the former, I'm getting something out of getting fucked.

Naw man, every version of capitalism is better than communism.


Bullshit. Native American economies worked just fucking fine.

Lmao
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Kineth
11/02/17 3:08:38 PM
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The Admiral posted...
I'm assuming Kineth was joking, because there is no way he could seriously mean that.


If you can't even acknowledge that the US is a mixed economy, the joke's on you.
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xBloodBrotherx
11/02/17 3:09:38 PM
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The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation are known for having a strong anti left bias as well as having a very obvious conflict of interest...
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The Admiral
11/02/17 3:09:39 PM
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Kineth posted...
The Admiral posted...
I'm assuming Kineth was joking, because there is no way he could seriously mean that.


If you can't even acknowledge that the US is a mixed economy, the joke's on you.


What does this have to do with your comment about Native American economies?
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Kineth
11/02/17 3:10:06 PM
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And the only functional nation-state version of communism was done in Yugoslavia. Not saying it was optimal, but they never had to cede control to the USSR because they had a stable, functional economy.
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Funkdamental
11/02/17 3:10:10 PM
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The Admiral posted...
According to the latest survey from the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, a D.C.-based nonprofit


The Admiral posted...
The survey, which was conducted by research and data firm YouGov


Eh?
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nicklebro
11/02/17 3:10:19 PM
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The Admiral posted...
I'm assuming Kineth was joking, because there is no way he could seriously mean that.

There is always a way. Lol he literally just called native Americans communists. Long before Marx even wrote the communist manifesto.
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11/02/17 3:10:31 PM
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Kineth
11/02/17 3:10:35 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Kineth posted...
The Admiral posted...
I'm assuming Kineth was joking, because there is no way he could seriously mean that.


If you can't even acknowledge that the US is a mixed economy, the joke's on you.


What does this have to do with your comment about Native American economies?


If you don't have basic economic knowledge, who are you to question a higher level economic argument?
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The Admiral
11/02/17 3:11:10 PM
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xBloodBrotherx posted...
The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation are known for having a strong anti left bias as well as having a very obvious conflict of interest...


Pulled right out of your ass. How about actually reading about the organization before posting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Communism_Memorial_Foundation
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Seneca_Wallace_
11/02/17 3:11:45 PM
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Then when we become more socialist and that inevitably fails, over half of the younger generation will prefer capitalism
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nicklebro
11/02/17 3:12:19 PM
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Kineth posted...
The Admiral posted...
Kineth posted...
The Admiral posted...
I'm assuming Kineth was joking, because there is no way he could seriously mean that.


If you can't even acknowledge that the US is a mixed economy, the joke's on you.


What does this have to do with your comment about Native American economies?


If you don't have basic economic knowledge, who are you to question a higher level economic argument?

You just said native Americans were communists...
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The Admiral
11/02/17 3:12:42 PM
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Kineth posted...
The Admiral posted...
Kineth posted...
The Admiral posted...
I'm assuming Kineth was joking, because there is no way he could seriously mean that.


If you can't even acknowledge that the US is a mixed economy, the joke's on you.


What does this have to do with your comment about Native American economies?


If you don't have basic economic knowledge, who are you to question a higher level economic argument?


I have an economics degree, so it's safe to say I have the knowledge. Now explain what the hell you're talking about with the Native American economy post.
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xBloodBrotherx
11/02/17 3:12:54 PM
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The Admiral posted...
xBloodBrotherx posted...
The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation are known for having a strong anti left bias as well as having a very obvious conflict of interest...


Pulled right out of your ass. How about actually reading about the organization before posting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Communism_Memorial_Foundation

"The foundation has received critique for being politically motivated, and being biased, and to discredit various left wing political groups."

Huh.
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Kineth
11/02/17 3:12:58 PM
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nicklebro posted...
Kineth posted...
The Admiral posted...
Kineth posted...
The Admiral posted...
I'm assuming Kineth was joking, because there is no way he could seriously mean that.


If you can't even acknowledge that the US is a mixed economy, the joke's on you.


What does this have to do with your comment about Native American economies?


If you don't have basic economic knowledge, who are you to question a higher level economic argument?

You just said native Americans were communists...


Yeah, just because someone didn't have a name for gravity doesn't mean that it wasn't already fucking there.
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NibeIungsnarf
11/02/17 3:13:32 PM
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The Admiral posted...
xBloodBrotherx posted...
The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation are known for having a strong anti left bias as well as having a very obvious conflict of interest...


Pulled right out of your ass. How about actually reading about the organization before posting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Communism_Memorial_Foundation

"What you're saying is stupid because [wikipedia link with no direct link to any information disproving the position I'm bitching about]"
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The Admiral
11/02/17 3:14:40 PM
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xBloodBrotherx posted...
The Admiral posted...
xBloodBrotherx posted...
The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation are known for having a strong anti left bias as well as having a very obvious conflict of interest...


Pulled right out of your ass. How about actually reading about the organization before posting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Communism_Memorial_Foundation

"The foundation has received critique for being politically motivated, and being biased, and to discredit various left wing political groups."

Huh.


Yes, the criticism was made by the Chinese Communism Party. Shocking.
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Funkdamental
11/02/17 3:15:15 PM
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The Admiral posted...
xBloodBrotherx posted...
The Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation are known for having a strong anti left bias as well as having a very obvious conflict of interest...


Pulled right out of your ass. How about actually reading about the organization before posting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Communism_Memorial_Foundation


How does an organization in which John Singlaub sits on the national advisory council not have a strong anti-left bias?
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