Current Events > Richard Dawkins: Veganism is morally superior

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I am not vegetarian/vegan, but I do agree with this analysis. I think that most of us here who are atheists can relate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sEo1NxChNU

Have fun eating your morals, I'll enjoy some juicy steaks.
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btw, does anyone know if there are any vegan cheese substitutes that are actually good? I could go vegetarian easily (I rarely eat meat as it is), but I am not sure I could give up cheese.

Vyrulisse posted...

Have fun eating your morals, I'll enjoy some juicy steaks.

Well done and with ketchup like your president, I assume.

CiIantro posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

Have fun eating your morals, I'll enjoy some juicy steaks.

Well done and with ketchup like your president, I assume.

Medium Rare actually. It is the Patrician's choice.
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Yeah, I agree with him.

I'm also a massive hypocrite because I love meat and have no intention to stop >_>
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Vyrulisse posted...

CiIantro posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

Have fun eating your morals, I'll enjoy some juicy steaks.

Well done and with ketchup like your president, I assume.

Medium Rare actually. It is the Patrician's choice.

My bae
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Vyrulisse posted...

Have fun eating your morals, I'll enjoy some juicy steaks.

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Richard Dawkins is a clown.
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Haven't watched the video, but the idea that veganism is morally superior seems like a duh.
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Richard Dawkins can fuck off, while I eat the back straps of the deer I kill this year.
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meat eaters are so predictable

"haha enjoy your lifestyle while I eat this steak NOM NOM/!!!! xDD!!!!"
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C_Pain posted...

meat eaters are so predictable

"haha enjoy your lifestyle while I eat this steak NOM NOM/!!!! xDD!!!!"

Ok?
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C_Pain posted...

meat eaters are so predictable

"haha enjoy your lifestyle while I eat this steak NOM NOM/!!!! xDD!!!!"

At least we don't feel the need to preach about our choice to eat steak every time we go out to dinner, GOD DAMNIT Susan we fucking know!!
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Zeus posted...

Haven't watched the video, but the idea that veganism is morally superior seems like a duh.

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C_Pain posted...

meat eaters are so predictable

"haha enjoy your lifestyle while I eat this steak NOM NOM/!!!! xDD!!!!"

Agreed. It just shows their insecurities. They recognize they are in the wrong, but try to reassure themselves that it is ok.

Vyrulisse posted...

Have fun eating your morals, I'll enjoy some juicy steaks.

This
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CiIantro posted...

C_Pain posted...

meat eaters are so predictable

"haha enjoy your lifestyle while I eat this steak NOM NOM/!!!! xDD!!!!"

Agreed. It just shows their insecurities. They recognize they are in the wrong, but try to reassure themselves that it is ok.

No it's not wrong at all, it's natural. Honestly Vegans are the most insecure people on the planet. Always pontificating about their choice of diet and being smug about it. It just reeks of insecurity.
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Sure, it's "morally superior" when you factor in the state of production farms and processing plants. Doesn't mean I'm going to stop eating meat, though. Shit's tasty.
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When growing meat from plants becomes a thing, people from the future will go nuts over how barbaric our farming industry is. Literally keeping animals that can feel companionship and pain in order to kill and rip apart to be placed into plastic.

But god damn it's tasty
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Vyrulisse posted...

C_Pain posted...

meat eaters are so predictable

"haha enjoy your lifestyle while I eat this steak NOM NOM/!!!! xDD!!!!"

Ok?

its obnoxious
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I don't apply morality to my diet.

Every creature exists to be eaten by something else eventually. I'm not going to feel morally inconvenienced because a chicken was killed to provide my dinner.
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Vyrulisse posted...

CiIantro posted...

C_Pain posted...

meat eaters are so predictable

"haha enjoy your lifestyle while I eat this steak NOM NOM/!!!! xDD!!!!"

Agreed. It just shows their insecurities. They recognize they are in the wrong, but try to reassure themselves that it is ok.

No it's not wrong at all, it's natural. Honestly Vegans are the most insecure people on the planet. Always pontificating about their choice of diet and being smug about it. It just reeks of insecurity.

There is nothing natural about factory farming. I am neither vegan nor vegetarian, but you dont see me losing my shit and acting elitist like you and others ITT. I recognize that yeah, there is a moral argument to be made for vegans and vegetarians, and I have the balls to admit that my lifestyle might be wrong.

CiIantro posted...

There is nothing natural about factory farming.

So go hunt your meat then, would that make it right or you're still gonna act like a deluded clown?
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Esrac posted...

I don't apply morality to my diet.

Every creature exists to be eaten by something else eventually. I'm not going to feel morally inconvenienced because a chicken was killed to provide my dinner.

That is a pretty primal view. How far do you take it? Should we just behave like animals an all facets of life? If humans have the power to make things better, we should. That is called being civilized.

Cookie Bag posted...

CiIantro posted...

There is nothing natural about factory farming.

So go hunt your meat then, would that make it right or you're still gonna act like a deluded clown?

You sound upset. Did I strike a chord?

Oh you can tell emotional state from text? must be a super power you get from not eating meat!

clown, and you didn't answer my question, would you hunting your own meat make it ok in your book or are you one of those crazy vegan people that are too much up their own asses to realize their hypocrisy?
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I just think it is hilarious that so many people ITT are acting all defensive because someone challenges their world view. You people need to grow up. I eat meat too, but I am at least willing to listen to both sides.

Cookie Bag posted...

Oh you can tell emotional state from text?

Nah, I can tell because you are calling me names lmao. You are acting like a child.

I used to have the same belief that veganism/vegetarianism is superior, but then I thought about it some more and realized that if we didn't eat meat those animals wouldn't be alive to begin with. Eventually we'll be able to make synthetic meat anyway so for the time being I don't think bringing animals into the world and then taking them away is all that bad.
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Staplersan posted...

if we didn't eat meat those animals wouldn't be alive to begin with

That makes it even worse IMO. We are creating lives of suffering. Life in a factory farm contains zero happiness.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/woman-who-died-climbing-everest-wanted-to-prove-vegans-are-not-weak-a7043431.html

enjoy living up to 20 years less than normal eating people.
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I can't even eat real meat, and I know that food taste better when it had parents.
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CiIantro posted...

Staplersan posted...

if we didn't eat meat those animals wouldn't be alive to begin with

That makes it even worse IMO. We are creating lives of suffering. Life in a factory farm contains zero happiness.

No one knows what it is like to be a cow regardless of conditions. Some humans have endured equally horrible hardships in their lives and relatively few of them decide that death would be preferable. Also, even if they decide that, I'm not convinced that all but the most horrendous of lives are worse than never existing at all.

Finally, if factory farm conditions are the issue, then the solution is to work to improve living conditions for factory farm animals. That I would support 100%.
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A vegan atheist possibly sounds like the most insufferable person ever.
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Staplersan posted...

CiIantro posted...

Staplersan posted...

if we didn't eat meat those animals wouldn't be alive to begin with

That makes it even worse IMO. We are creating lives of suffering. Life in a factory farm contains zero happiness.

No one knows what it is like to be a cow regardless of conditions. Humans have endured equally horrible hardships in their lives and relatively few of them decide that death would be preferable. Also, even if they decide that, I'm not convinced that all but the most horrendous of lives are worse than never existing at all.

Finally, if factory farm conditions are the issue, then the solution is to work to improve living conditions for factory farm animals. That I would support 100%.

While I agree 100% about improving living conditions, it is silly to imply that animals might not mind factory farming conditions. The animals show avoidance behaviors and it is pretty clear that they are experiencing pain. Would be nice to think otherwise, but it is definitely not the case.

If it were superior hominids wouldn't have evolved the ability to eat and process meat so well. Dawkins of all people should recognize that.
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DawkinsNumber4 posted...

If it were superior hominids wouldn't have evolved the ability to eat and process meat so well. Dawkins of all people should recognize that.

That is naturally true. Eating meat had natural, evolutionary benefits that contributed to our survival and prosperity as a species.

The argument they like to make is that, now that we can, we should stop eating meat because it's immoral to cause harm to other creatures. I guess that makes sense if you want to apply a moral framework we use for human society to the animals we eat.

Personally, I don't do that.
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DawkinsNumber4 posted...

If it were superior hominids wouldn't have evolved the ability to eat and process meat so well. Dawkins of all people should recognize that.

analyzing his words. it is morally superior to only eat green.
since otherwise we are killing a living being for our sustenance.

thats the extent of moraly superior.

however, plants also feel, and are living creatures. just because they dont show anything doesnt mean they dont feel.

so you wanna save any lives? literally kill yourself by starving to death.
or live a life of eating supplements or IV tubes.
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CiIantro posted...

While I agree 100% about improving living conditions, it is silly to imply that animals might not mind factory farming conditions. The animals show avoidance behaviors and it is pretty clear that they are experiencing pain. Would be nice to think otherwise, but it is definitely not the case.

I didn't imply that they don't mind factory farming conditions. I'm just saying that it doesn't seem likely to me that they would prefer death/non-existence compared to typical factory conditions.
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Staplersan posted...

CiIantro posted...

While I agree 100% about improving living conditions, it is silly to imply that animals might not mind factory farming conditions. The animals show avoidance behaviors and it is pretty clear that they are experiencing pain. Would be nice to think otherwise, but it is definitely not the case.

I didn't imply that they don't mind factory farming conditions. I'm just saying that it doesn't seem likely to me that they would prefer death/non-existence compared to typical factory conditions.

I think it is common sense that a living thing would prefer non-existence over a life of pain.

A vegan thread. You see one, youve seen them all. This is why vegans still get such a bad rap.
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CiIantro posted...

Staplersan posted...

CiIantro posted...

While I agree 100% about improving living conditions, it is silly to imply that animals might not mind factory farming conditions. The animals show avoidance behaviors and it is pretty clear that they are experiencing pain. Would be nice to think otherwise, but it is definitely not the case.

I didn't imply that they don't mind factory farming conditions. I'm just saying that it doesn't seem likely to me that they would prefer death/non-existence compared to typical factory conditions.

I think it is common sense that a living thing would prefer non-existence over a life of pain.

I think it's common sense that they're not living lives of pure agony either. Not even in the worst of conditions. Whether or not the good outweighs the bad is up for debate but again, I'm not convinced that average factory conditions are preferable to death.
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StickFigures720 posted...

A vegan thread. You see one, youve seen them all. This is why vegans still get such a bad rap.

Except I am not vegan, as stated in the first 5 words of the OP. Nice try though.

Staplersan posted...

I think it's common sense that they're not living lives of pure agony either. Not even in the worst of conditions. Whether or not the good outweighs the bad is up for debate but again, I'm not convinced that average factory conditions are preferable to death.

Ok, I hate the stupid propaganda films that the animal rights activists put out, but you should look into some non-biased footage of factory farms. It is pretty disgusting. There is no joy to be had in that sort of existence.

I would gladly hunt and kill my food year-round if it were legal to do so.

I'll fill my freezer with probably 4 deer this year, if I'm lucky enough to fill my bonus tags.
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I haven't put a great deal of effort into trying to find a non-biased accounts of farm practices, but from what I can tell there are at least good and bad farms. This goes back to what I said earlier, to me the solution isn't to stop eating meat, it's to push for more higher animal welfare standards in farms.
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CiIantro posted...

StickFigures720 posted...

A vegan thread. You see one, youve seen them all. This is why vegans still get such a bad rap.

Except I am not vegan, as stated in the first 5 words of the OP. Nice try though.

Well, the crowd you just attracted doesnt really help your case.
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