Current Events > Since that trans topic is gone.... tell me again why you are anti-transsexual?

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Civil talk please.
I don't want to have to ask for it again.
If you are incapable of this, get out now.

As many of you know.... I am. I am also the type of person to sit down and actually express my reasoning for my views on my pro-trans side while offering the floor for you to express your concerns.

My belief is that many simply don't understand it.... and Hell, I understand where you are coming from.

I also understand that we are biologically XY. I get that.

But why are you so against us living as who we want to live as? What impact does it make on your lives? I'm not asking in a snarky way. I want to hear you out.

I'm not a liberal.
I'm not a conservative.
With that said, I will put on a muzzle just in the event you still think I will bite you.

I just want to open this up saying, I hate that transsexual people often refuse to be more openly accepting of people with genuine questions but in some sense, I guess I get that. Constant complaining and bitching rather than answering questions causes more harm than good. I was born to a very open family. My grandmother flips my father off. My father will ask if that's her IQ or how many friends she has. My grandmother bought me an erect penis hat for Christmas that I opened in front of the whole family once. My mother laughed at the idea of my leg locking up...... yeah, we can be sadist with each other too.... but that's who I am and why I am the way I am here.

I'm just...... far more open. I want to hear true concerns. I want people to talk civilly about the subject and take it as a chance to educate one another. For me to understand your concerns while you can see the viewpoint of my own.

Others are free to join too if we promise to again, remain civil. I think threads like this really aid CE once in a while.

So yes, open!
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im not. why are you racist?

AlternativeFAQS posted...

im not. why are you racist?

I'm honestly not. I've made stereotypical jokes before, but nothing deadset racist. Again, it's more of my family's joking, openly-comical sense and method of upbringing for me. I'm just too open to the point I really see nothing wrong with stereotypes in a comical sense.
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Because transgenders are likely to be liberal and liberals are likely to be proponents of socialized healthcare, so by extension I'll end up paying for your lifestyles.
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Don't want tax dollars paying for it

I'm not
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Stereotypical jokes are amazing and should be cherished.

As for hating trans people? Not me! I dont hate anyone.

because the transformation isn't perfect yet.
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Spooking posted...

I'm not anti-trans, however I do not want to go out with a transwoman, and I think trans people should be required to tell the person they are going out with that they are trans.

You are right to feel that way and I believe you are also right about telling.

The pros to telling before puts the other person at the ultimate test. If he wants nothing to do with it, he can bail. If he is a type of guy who would hurt a transperson, possible incident averted. If they stick to it, it shows that the person is worth one's love and the burden of hiding it all your life with them is gone.

I seriously see no upsides to hiding it.
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LGB rights:
we want marriage!

me: okay, doesn't affect me personally, whatever. good for you guys.

T rights:
i want to use whichever bathroom i feel like! this totally won't backfire into creeps pretending their T and peeping at your sons, daughters, family and friends! also, use my preferred pronoun - even if its madeup non-binary word and if u don't the government has laws to fine u and jail u!

me: wtf no, get the hell away from my family / friends in the public restroom. can't tell if your a guy or a girl? take a chance and say the wrong pronoun? well now i can be legally fucked. that's not okay.
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Spooking posted...

I'm not anti-trans, however I do not want to go out with a transwoman, and I think trans people should be required to tell the person they are going out with that they are trans.

Sounds like you have an irrational fear of accidentally going out with a transwoman and not finding out until you're about to have sex. Just deal with it, dude. They're out there. Nobody's gonna force you to do anything you don't wanna do.

As the man you should realize that it's almost always the transwoman who is attacked in situations like this - they're the ones who should be fearful.
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myzz7 posted...

i want to use whichever bathroom i feel like! this totally won't backfire into creeps pretending their T and peeping at your sons, daughters, family and friends!

Are you against gays and lesbians using public bathrooms?
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Spooking posted...

I'm not anti-trans, however I do not want to go out with a transwoman, and I think trans people should be required to tell the person they are going out with that they are trans.

This. Other than that I dont care to hear or deal with it.
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Fishy posted...

Because transgenders are likely to be liberal and liberals are likely to be proponents of socialized healthcare, so by extension I'll end up paying for your lifestyles.

Fair enough. I understand the hefty costs though with transitioning as well. It's not something the average person could ever dream of saving up for without government assistance. Is there anything you'd propose the person do in the event they cannot save the money.... such as a merit-based system to earning that ride?

muchdran posted...

Don't want tax dollars paying for it

Same as above. I understand it, but try to think about it on our side of it too. What would you recommend as a solution to those being discriminated against and cannot hold a job for that reason?

Kakkeron posted...

Stereotypical jokes are amazing and should be cherished.

As for hating trans people? Not me! I dont hate anyone.

Thank you. I'm a big fan of All in the Family, The Jeffersons, and Married With Children. You can't enjoy life if you can't see comedy through stereotypes.

armandro posted...

because the transformation isn't perfect yet.

Fair point. We still have a long ways to go.
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Antifar posted...

myzz7 posted...

i want to use whichever bathroom i feel like! this totally won't backfire into creeps pretending their T and peeping at your sons, daughters, family and friends!

Are you against gays and lesbians using public bathrooms?

what does that have to do with what i posted.

red herring bait?
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Sayoria posted...

You can't enjoy life if you can't see comedy through stereotypes.

Not everyone likes racist jokes
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myzz7 posted...

LGB rights:
we want marriage!

me: okay, doesn't affect me personally, whatever. good for you guys.

T rights:
i want to use whichever bathroom i feel like! this totally won't backfire into creeps pretending their T and peeping at your sons, daughters, family and friends! also, use my preferred pronoun - even if its madeup non-binary word and if u don't the government has laws to fine u and jail u!

me: wtf no, get the hell away from my family / friends in the public restroom. can't tell if your a guy or a girl? take a chance and say the wrong pronoun? well now i can be legally fucked. that's not okay.

Well to be fair, I have yet to hear of a public bathroom related incident with a transgender person who did anything wrong. Of course you address those pretending to be T, which of course would pose as a problem. The thing is, the law is still the law and if they are caught, they should be tried just as well. People feared gay men would be molesting little boys a while back in restrooms. Nothing ever came of that, as far as I know.

If you say a wrong pronoun accidentally, that's fine. If you repeat it purposely, then you are just being ignorant. I know it's common where many people will jump at you for calling a transwoman a he, but it happens. We are trans people need to accept that.
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Sayoria posted...

Fair enough. I understand the hefty costs though with transitioning as well. It's not something the average person could ever dream of saving up for without government assistance. Is there anything you'd propose the person do in the event they cannot save the money.... such as a merit-based system to earning that ride?

Simply no. Why is your condition one that should be given assistance to? What if I felt I should have been born with a cuter nose, or a more defined jawline, or what if a woman decides her breasts aren't the size she believes should have been? Of course these are a lot more physical but it still begs the question what should the public have to shoulder for the individual?
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Fishy posted...

What if I felt I should have been born with a cuter nose, or a more defined jawline, or what if a woman decides her breasts aren't the size she believes should have been?

I think the comparison you're making here reflects a misunderstanding of what it means to be transgender
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Kaname_Madoka posted...

Sayoria posted...

You can't enjoy life if you can't see comedy through stereotypes.

Not everyone likes racist jokes

Well our country needs to take a chill pill.

A joke is a joke. Everyone gets so up-in-arms over the littlest things now to the point the PC culture is suffocating people. I being one who hates the PC culture, know my limits. I have not, nor will I ever use the N word. I will never call an Asian person that C word. I know my limits. Everyone should raise their bars a little though. Even looking at people now might call for a racist accusation.
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Is there a higher rate of MtF or FtM or is it negligible?
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I'm not anti-trans as long as a trans person life style doesn't affect me or other people. If that's the case then they can be what they want.

But there is this slow movement to include trans people into traditional gender specific (male/female) sports that has me worried of a slippery slope.

The progressives aren't making a distinction between gender and biological sex which are very different things. As I said in the other topic there was a trans woman who pressured her way into women's competitive weight lifting and dominated it to first place because she's biologicaly a male with all it's strength perks.

I have issues with this.
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my karma is too precious to tell you a damn thing
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Fishy posted...

Sayoria posted...

Fair enough. I understand the hefty costs though with transitioning as well. It's not something the average person could ever dream of saving up for without government assistance. Is there anything you'd propose the person do in the event they cannot save the money.... such as a merit-based system to earning that ride?

Simply no. Why is your condition one that should be given assistance to? What if I felt I should have been born with a cuter nose, or a more defined jawline, or what if a woman decides her breasts aren't the size she believes should have been? Of course these are a lot more physical but it still begs the question what should the public have to shoulder for the individual?

What if there's actual psychological ties that went undeniable? Would you be okay with it then? The issue is, many people see people like me as "mentally ill".... but we are practically the only classification where those who don't see us as mentally ill want to help us, while those who do see us as mentally ill want nothing to do with us or to put any effort into helping us.

Do you think we are mentally ill? If so, why not aid us like we do other mentally ill people? Serious question and I don't mean to bait. If you worry about answering here, feel free to PM me and I will respond back on here. I know this could be sailing high fetches.
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myzz7 posted...

LGB rights:
we want marriage!

me: okay, doesn't affect me personally, whatever. good for you guys.

T rights:
i want to use whichever bathroom i feel like! this totally won't backfire into creeps pretending their T and peeping at your sons, daughters, family and friends! also, use my preferred pronoun - even if its madeup non-binary word and if u don't the government has laws to fine u and jail u!

me: wtf no, get the hell away from my family / friends in the public restroom. can't tell if your a guy or a girl? take a chance and say the wrong pronoun? well now i can be legally fucked. that's not okay.

Have you ever actually been yelled at for misgendering someone off of the internet? Do you really think that there are laws that penalize you for misgendering trans people?

Like, trust me buddy, you dont have to worry about any laws sticking up for trans people over cis folks. People literally get away with murder just because the victim was trans.
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Why can't you hold a job? What line of work do you do?

which country is ours again TC
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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Is there a higher rate of MtF or FtM or is it negligible?

I personally believe there are more FtMs, despite what the public sees. I'd almost bet my savings on it if all came out of the closet and tallied.

NINExATExSEVEN posted...

I'm not anti-trans as long as a trans person life style doesn't affect me or other people. If that's the case then they can be what they want.

But there is this slow movement to include trans people into traditional gender specific (male/female) sports that has me worried of a slippery slope.

The progressives aren't making a distinction between gender and biological sex which are very different things. As I said in the other topic there was a trans woman who pressured her way into women's competitive weight lifting and dominated it to first place because she's biologicaly a male with all it's strength perks.

I have issues with this.

That, I understand. We are genetically built different. The interesting thing is, not all of us hold the advantages of men though. Me personally, I am a 5'5" person at about 145-150. I'd hold no chance in weight lifting, swimming, running, or anything of the sort.... and I am seen as pretty healthy. I think even if I were to work out, I'd never in my life, be able to fight and dominate someone like Ronda Rousey.

Just because my genetics are of the stronger sex, it doesn't necessarily make me out of their league.

Of course, there are many out there who are, much like you said in the other topic with that Australian weight lifter. I agree this topic is a slippery slope, and I honestly have yet to come to a personal thought and verdict on this one.
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muchdran posted...

Why can't you hold a job? What line of work do you do?

I seriously live 100% as female outside of my job. I go as male to it. I have my reasons but once i leave, I plan to never take a male identity ever again.

I believe any position I am put into with the proper training, I could hold my job fairly well at. (As long as it isn't blocked by strength-based needs or something similar)

I am pretty much like a flight attendant. I do that stuff on a bus instead of a plane.
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Well I'm sold. I wish you the best. What are you up to tonight?

Sayoria posted...

Do you think we are mentally ill?

Mentally ill carries a heavy negative connotation so I'd be very hesitant to say that. Of course I'm no doctor, psychiatrist, or any sort of expert on the subject so I'm nowhere near qualified to say anything on the matter. However I have to wonder how much gender-reassignment surgery is the real answer to a problem or if it's a bandage that's just hiding the real issue. I don't mean to say this is any sort of negative way so please don't take it that way but it's the same idea as giving a drug addict more drugs to soothe the withdrawals or helping them kick the drugs for good, if you know what I mean.
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Who said I was anti-trans?

I'll give 'em a noogie.
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muchdran posted...

Well I'm sold. I wish you the best. What are you up to tonight?

About to go to bed actually because I gotta be at work in..... 7 and a half hours. Meh. Other than that, I am bored as I usually am.

And damnit, I forgot to shop for some winter sweaters. Gah.

Fishy posted...

Sayoria posted...

Do you think we are mentally ill?

Mentally ill carries a heavy negative connotation so I'd be very hesitant to say that. Of course I'm no doctor, psychiatrist, or any sort of expert on the subject so I'm nowhere near qualified to say anything on the matter. However I have to wonder how much gender-reassignment surgery is the real answer to a problem or if it's a bandage that's just hiding the real issue. I don't mean to say this is any sort of negative way so please don't take it that way but it's the same idea as giving a drug addict more drugs to soothe the withdrawals or helping them kick the drugs for good, if you know what I mean.

I understand. Again, I'm not a crocodile and I hate that I have to keep saying that because we have snipers out there taking aim on posts.

The issue is that we have two ways to approach it. Mentally or physically. Of course, many would assume mentally would be best because the belief of it being inhumane for someone to voluntarily "disable" a part of their body. On the other hand, the individual is who they are psychologically. Me, I have turned my life around in ways you would never imagine. Getting involved with non-profits. Going back to school. Finally gaining interest in pursuing a romance. Conquering fears that I once had. Building networks and really striking things off of the ole bucket list.

..... I mean yeah, I am transgender, but I am not exactly "miserable" .... I know my body "doesn't match up" but that hasn't stopped me from saving since 2007 in pursuing my changes. I am happy. Friends love me because I bring smiles to their faces. I have little shame to the point I could go out and do goofy things. (Perhaps this is that male side since you see less women doing this, but hey?) My point is that if we were to "cure" this mentally, I'd feel like I'm not me anymore. I'd lose a part of me that I don't feel needed to be "fixed" .... Yes, I have plans to get SRS and sure, it could be seen as a bandage, but it is something I personally want to do. It will make me enjoy life more in many ways more than anyone could imagine.

Of course, I am a non-traditional transsexual, but the case in point is still there.

We are who we are by our minds. I could take my mind and put it in someone else's body and I will still love doing what I love to. Once you alter the mind though, you are changing that person... and to be honest, that scares me more than death itself.
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DreadedWave posted...

Who said I was anti-trans?

I'll give 'em a noogie.

*Hug*

I'll give ya a noogie right back. ;P
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"Anti-transsexual" is probably too strong of a term. I just think that it's a chemical imbalance in the brain, so getting surgery isn't the right way to deal with the issue. Some type of medication paired with therapy would probably be more helpful
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Not anti-trans at all, I just find it strange. I'm totally accepting of people who are, one of my old best friends in elementary/middle school went MtF when we hung out, it was like nothing really changed, except he was a girl (in progress), it was just weird seeing someone I know go through such a dramatic change rather than the act of gender reassignment itself.

GOATSLAYER posted...

"Anti-transsexual" is probably too strong if a term. I just think that it's a chemical imbalance in the brain, so getting surgery isn't the right way to deal with the issue. Some type of medication paired with therapy would probably be more helpful

Not in my sense. My situation is actually quite different. It isn't really just about having a vagina. For me, it's about companionship as well. As we all know, teenagers have those sexual fantasies here and there. Mine pinned me with a man. The thing is, it wasn't gay. It was of me receiving vaginal sex.

This fantasy occurred throughout my life day in and out until I got onto my hormone replacement pills. I have those fantasies less, but now I just crave to be held more so.

For me to have a sexually desired relationship, I'd pretty much need a vagina. Customized or not, I've had these "fantasies" for most of my life now. I am 30, almost 31. I started with these when I was 13. My vaginal fantasies aren't just going to go away. My pills turn my sex drive down, but I still need to press on so I can open myself up to dating. I have zero interest as I am.

I've never met another trans person in this same boat as me, but that's my personal story with it. I can't see any reason I would be against doing it personally. I have no history of suicide. I know what I am in for and know many other post-op trans women. I'm mature, driven, and psychologically aware of myself.

If might not be the best option we will ever have, but I just know it would be for the best for me.
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HowardStern69 posted...

Not anti-trans at all, I just find it strange. I'm totally accepting of people who are, one of my old best friends in elementary/middle school went MtF when we hung out, it was like nothing really changed, except he was a girl (in progress), it was just weird seeing someone I know go through such a dramatic change rather than the act of gender reassignment itself.

I hope she's okay with you accidentally dropping a he here or there. If you've known her as a he for so long, these trans people need to understand that sudden adaption doesn't happen over night.
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I'm not anti trans doe
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Sayoria posted...

GOATSLAYER posted...

"Anti-transsexual" is probably too strong if a term. I just think that it's a chemical imbalance in the brain, so getting surgery isn't the right way to deal with the issue. Some type of medication paired with therapy would probably be more helpful

Not in my sense. My situation is actually quite different. It isn't really just about having a vagina. For me, it's about companionship as well. As we all know, teenagers have those sexual fantasies here and there. Mine pinned me with a man. The thing is, it wasn't gay. It was of me receiving vaginal sex.

This fantasy occurred throughout my life day in and out until I got onto my hormone replacement pills. I have those fantasies less, but now I just crave to be held more so.

For me to have a sexually desired relationship, I'd pretty much need a vagina. Customized or not, I've had these "fantasies" for most of my life now. I am 30, almost 31. I started with these when I was 13. My vaginal fantasies aren't just going to go away. My pills turn my sex drive down, but I still need to press on so I can open myself up to dating. I have zero interest as I am.

I've never met another trans person in this same boat as me, but that's my personal story with it. I can't see any reason I would be against doing it personally. I have no history of suicide. I know what I am in for and know many other post-op trans women. I'm mature, driven, and psychologically aware of myself.

If might not be the best option we will ever have, but I just know it would be for the best for me.

You do you
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No I meant what are you doing tonight

ssj3vegeta2 posted...

I'm not anti trans doe

Good. :) *Hug*

GOATSLAYER posted...

You do you

Planning on it!
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i'm not, i want you

muchdran posted...

No I meant what are you doing tonight

As in like... when I wake up and get home from work? If so, I don't usually have plans after work. A week from today, I had a breakdown at work which resulted in a 12 hour work day pushed to a 15 hour and 45 minute work day. I can never plan for events after work. Mechanical issues occur and schedules become a mess.

If that's not what you mean, then I am sorry because I am confused.
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I'm
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Alternative lifestyles are sinful. Thats it.

I always avoid reading topics like this because all the anti trans opinions get my blood boiling >.>

Say, you're beautiful and perfect the way you are and I'm excited for you to finally get to experience a vagina and breasts :3
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SentonReturns posted...

Alternative lifestyles are sinful. Thats it.

That's hardly an explanation of anything.
But hey, if I am sinful, then so be it!

Harpie posted...

I always avoid reading topics like this because all the anti trans opinions get my blood boiling >.>

Say, you're beautiful and perfect the way you are and I'm excited for you to finally get to experience a vagina and breasts :3

Don't let it. I take these as learning experiences, especially as someone fighting for our equality. I'm not a fighter. I am a uniter. I like seeing these differing opinions because it gives me insight to the problems they might have and the possible solutions I could try to propose to meet half way. I aim to take part in my state's government some day and I want everyone to be heard when and if that time were to come.
I learn from them and sometimes, they take something back from me, which I love. I never expect it, but I hope by it.

And thank you. My date was pushed back a week, but that's fine. I am in no rush. :) .... Going to be great! :D

smoliske posted...

i'm not, i want you

Oh mai. Dready is going to beat you down. o_o
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