Current Events > Since that trans topic is gone.... tell me again why you are anti-transsexual?

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shockthemonkey posted...

Chama posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Chama posted...

I've got nothing against transgender people. I rarely get involved with discussions on the matter. They've got nothing to do with me, and I'm not knowledgeable enough to contribute to those discussions anyway.

I do wonder what became of one of my old college friends, though. She's a trans woman who underwent the physical transition a couple of years after we lost touch. I met two of my closest friends through her.

Im not against trans people and Im not knowledgeable to discuss them anyway, he says immediately after discussing trans people and calling them all mentally ill liars.

Have you mixed me up with that Callixtus guy? Because Ive never said either of those things about transgender people. That post youve quoted is my only other post in this topic.

Whoops, definitely did. My bad.

No worries, was just confusing for a few moments.
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Sayoria posted...

No, I just don't want to be prodded into these. Whenever I try to debate the freedom to talk about race the way I want to, I get slammed with a moderation and you know that. Hence, you are trying to get me modded.

I take back the majority part and leave the rest intact. The rest fits as a stereotype because the rest of it is true. Just like us trans people have this fascination with stilettos and calling everyone cisscum and things of the like.... and the LGBT community with Golden Girls and Drag.

I can't help it. I see the previously mentioned as worth being noted as a stereotype.

And thus you have justified everything you were complaining about in the OP. Congrats. Again, it's hilariously hypocritical if you want them to care about you, yet you can cherrypick who you prejudge. Like the lack of sense coming from that logic is actually stupid.
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In the OP? What are you even talking about. My talk in the OP was to open the floor on discussion. Like wtf with the hijacking and accusing the OP of anything more than what it is.
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Sayoria posted...

In the OP? What are you even talking about. My talk in the OP was to open the floor on discussion. Like wtf with the hijacking and accusing the OP of anything more than what it is.

I'm referring to you getting your panties in a bunch about the "anti-transsexual comments." Even the ones who are "hostile" about it.
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@shockthemonkey posted...

What does taught to children in schools mean here? Like teaching kids that they should be trans, teaching kids about transsexualism, or like acknowledging trans people in history?

the former. its not a topic to teach in schools period.

and to ask you a question of my own, what trans people are there in history to teach about?
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young_flip posted...

its not a topic to teach in schools period.

teaching kids that it is okay and that you are not a freak if you are 100% should be taught in school
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AIDSbeam posted...

young_flip posted...

its not a topic to teach in schools period.

teaching kids that it is okay and that you are not a freak if you are 100% should be taught in school

it really shouldn't.

Terra-enforcer posted...

Sayoria posted...

In the OP? What are you even talking about. My talk in the OP was to open the floor on discussion. Like wtf with the hijacking and accusing the OP of anything more than what it is.

I'm referring to you getting your panties in a bunch about the "anti-transsexual comments." Even the ones who are "hostile" about it.

Well, I am open to talk with them. In no way at all am I "hostile".
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TheRobber posted...

AIDSbeam posted...

young_flip posted...

its not a topic to teach in schools period.

teaching kids that it is okay and that you are not a freak if you are 100% should be taught in school

it really shouldn't.

it should

if we normalize the idea of trans people at an early age we can actually begin to improve the way trans people are treated and maybe start decreasing violence against them and lower the disproportionate suicide rates
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AIDSbeam posted...

TheRobber posted...

AIDSbeam posted...

young_flip posted...

its not a topic to teach in schools period.

teaching kids that it is okay and that you are not a freak if you are 100% should be taught in school

it really shouldn't.

it should

if we normalize the idea of trans people at an early age we can actually begin to improve the way trans people are treated and maybe start decreasing violence against them

and younger people will be taught that permanently mutilating their bodies is okay, which it definitely isn't.

and lower the disproportionate suicide rates

that has more to do that they're mentally unwell, not that people aren't taught enough about them.

Sayoria posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Sayoria posted...

In the OP? What are you even talking about. My talk in the OP was to open the floor on discussion. Like wtf with the hijacking and accusing the OP of anything more than what it is.

I'm referring to you getting your panties in a bunch about the "anti-transsexual comments." Even the ones who are "hostile" about it.

Well, I am open to talk with them. In no way at all am I "hostile".

I never called you hostile. Not sure how you misread my sentence that badlyl
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young_flip posted...

@shockthemonkey posted...

What does taught to children in schools mean here? Like teaching kids that they should be trans, teaching kids about transsexualism, or like acknowledging trans people in history?

the former. its not a topic to teach in schools period.

and to ask you a question of my own, what trans people are there in history to teach about?

I don't think anyone but the most extreme would advocate for teaching kids that they "should be trans."

I mean, when it comes to education about transsexuals, the general goal seems to be teaching that they really do exist.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

Sayoria posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Sayoria posted...

In the OP? What are you even talking about. My talk in the OP was to open the floor on discussion. Like wtf with the hijacking and accusing the OP of anything more than what it is.

I'm referring to you getting your panties in a bunch about the "anti-transsexual comments." Even the ones who are "hostile" about it.

Well, I am open to talk with them. In no way at all am I "hostile".

I never called you hostile. Not sure how you misread my sentence that badlyl

You heard my claim. If you like thinking I am racist, then continue doing so.
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TheRobber posted...

and younger people will be taught that permanently mutilating their bodies is okay, which it definitely isn't.

no, they'll be taught that at this time the best treatment for gender dysphoria is HRT and often SRS

TheRobber posted...

that has more to do that they're mentally unwell, not that people aren't taught enough about them.

no, it is because trans people are demonized and othered, beaten and threatened, generally victims of violent behavior

when they are accepted, these things will cease to be as major of an issue as it is now.
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AIDSbeam posted...

if we normalize the idea of trans people at an early age we can actually begin to improve the way trans people are treated and maybe start decreasing violence against them and lower the disproportionate suicide rates

nah. far more important things to focus on.
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Sayoria posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Sayoria posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Sayoria posted...

In the OP? What are you even talking about. My talk in the OP was to open the floor on discussion. Like wtf with the hijacking and accusing the OP of anything more than what it is.

I'm referring to you getting your panties in a bunch about the "anti-transsexual comments." Even the ones who are "hostile" about it.

Well, I am open to talk with them. In no way at all am I "hostile".

I never called you hostile. Not sure how you misread my sentence that badlyl

You heard my claim. If you like thinking I am racist, then continue doing so.

Then you should have no issue with the anti-trans comments.
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young_flip posted...

AIDSbeam posted...

if we normalize the idea of trans people at an early age we can actually begin to improve the way trans people are treated and maybe start decreasing violence against them and lower the disproportionate suicide rates

nah. far more important things to focus on.

more blood on your hands then

it takes minimal effort to include discussion about transgender people in the curriculum of relevant classes

its more relevant than learning about christopher colombus
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Terra-enforcer posted...

Sayoria posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Sayoria posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

Sayoria posted...

In the OP? What are you even talking about. My talk in the OP was to open the floor on discussion. Like wtf with the hijacking and accusing the OP of anything more than what it is.

I'm referring to you getting your panties in a bunch about the "anti-transsexual comments." Even the ones who are "hostile" about it.

Well, I am open to talk with them. In no way at all am I "hostile".

I never called you hostile. Not sure how you misread my sentence that badlyl

You heard my claim. If you like thinking I am racist, then continue doing so.

Then you should have no issue with the anti-trans comments.

I don't. I want civil discussion so I could clarify for people whatever they might need to know since my situation isn't so easily understood. Maybe you should do the same in your own topic.
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AIDSbeam posted...

more blood on your hands then

it takes minimal effort to include discussion about transgender people in the curriculum of relevant classes

its more relevant than learning about christopher colombus

nah. there's enough indoctrination in schools as it is. no need to add more.
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young_flip posted...

AIDSbeam posted...

more blood on your hands then

it takes minimal effort to include discussion about transgender people in the curriculum of relevant classes

its more relevant than learning about christopher colombus

nah. there's enough indoctrination in schools as it is. no need to add more.

If you don't want kids to be indoctrinated, then your only choice is to lock them in a room by themselves forever.
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young_flip posted...

AIDSbeam posted...

more blood on your hands then

it takes minimal effort to include discussion about transgender people in the curriculum of relevant classes

its more relevant than learning about christopher colombus

nah. there's enough indoctrination in schools as it is. no need to add more.

It's not indoctrination anymore than teaching children that black people aren't subhuman
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nuff said.
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Some people really just need to familiarize their mouths with a tail pipe.
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shockthemonkey posted...

The fuck is wrong with you? Why should we not teach kids that they arent worthless sacks of shit just for existing?

because putting bad ideas into the minds of children is not a good thing. the kids who already have those thoughts should either seek help, or at least keep their business to themselves and not spread it to others.

shockthemonkey posted...

Theres nothing wrong with being trans isnt a bad idea

literally mental issues.

TheRobber posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Theres nothing wrong with being trans isnt a bad idea

literally mental issues.

except you know - not
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AIDSbeam posted...

TheRobber posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Theres nothing wrong with being trans isnt a bad idea

literally mental issues.

except you know - not

if you have to fuck up your body with drugs and procedures to feel good mentally, then yes.

TheRobber posted...

AIDSbeam posted...

TheRobber posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Theres nothing wrong with being trans isnt a bad idea

literally mental issues.

except you know - not

if you have to fuck up your body with drugs and procedures to feel good mentally, then yes.

nope
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The human brain is a mysterious thing. Is it really that hard to fathom that a woman's brain could be born into a man's body, and vice versa?
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myzz7 posted...

LGB rights:
we want marriage!

me: okay, doesn't affect me personally, whatever. good for you guys.

T rights:
i want to use whichever bathroom i feel like! this totally won't backfire into creeps pretending their T and peeping at your sons, daughters, family and friends! also, use my preferred pronoun - even if its madeup non-binary word and if u don't the government has laws to fine u and jail u!

me: wtf no, get the hell away from my family / friends in the public restroom. can't tell if your a guy or a girl? take a chance and say the wrong pronoun? well now i can be legally fucked. that's not okay.

@myzz7 watches My Little Pony and he's afraid of being emasculated by a girl peeing next to him in the boy's bathroom.

Personally, I don't really have any qualms about trans people. It is apparently stemming from a condition called gender dysphoria, and is a legitimate neurological issues where the brains of the affected isn't aligned with their physical gender, and it is verifiable. To me, it is an illegitimate issue, and it occurs naturally, so any efforts to remedy this condition is applauded. However, it isn't normative, and it is disabillitative, so I won't say there is anything wrong with it. It is a legitimate condition to be treated, and not something that should be treated as a natural state, because the natural state is heterosexuality. We shouldn't encourage people to believe that transgenderism is superior or somehow more comfortable than heterosexuality, as that is the default and that how it should be, but we shouldn't treat it as heaven istic either. It should just be regarded as an alternative life style.

@Sayoria, the only true problem I have with transgender people isn't related to the demographic as a whole, but the ones I interacted with on this board. Left a poor first impression. Morning Rose needs to see help and stop having CE enable her. It fucking her up; being a shut-in isn't normal. Gunplagirl is a massive troll and is completely irrational. Your prejudice is pretty well known honestly, and it confuses me as how you could simultaneously hold prejudice views towards minorities while portraying yourself as a victim of prejudice. It takes a massive lack of self awareness and hypocrisy. However, I will say that some of these... "stereotypes" are perpetuated in the community, but not for the reasons you think. DM if you want a better understanding

@Teddytalks

Hello, you know, I made one wrong post that I apologized for millions of times now because I said "majority" on an off-hand place. Outside of that, everything has been, in my mind, comedian-level stereotyping that is hardly prejudice. I poke at while people for cheese and mayonnaise all the time on here. Trans people for wearing short skirts and wedding dresses in public. Black people..... Asian people.... Hispanic.... my stereotyping knows no bounds. Outside of what Terra said which again, I keep apologizing for, I've said nothing outside of a simple food joke to most ethnic and race groups.

And again, I made this thread just to give insight to those who want it based on the transgender spectrum. Why is that so hard to see?
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Sayoria posted...

@Teddytalks

Hello, you know, I made one wrong post that I apologized for millions of times now because I said "majority" on an off-hand place. Outside of that, everything has been, in my mind, comedian-level stereotyping that is hardly prejudice. I poke at while people for cheese and mayonnaise all the time on here. Trans people for wearing short skirts and wedding dresses in public. Black people..... Asian people.... Hispanic.... my stereotyping knows no bounds. Outside of what Terra said which again, I keep apologizing for, I've said nothing outside of a simple food joke to most ethnic and race groups.

And again, I made this thread just to give insight to those who want it based on the transgender spectrum. Why is that so hard to see?

I gave my response on transgenderism in the 1st half

The second half was my personal interactions. They aren't positive. Just being honest. The off handed remark was all it took because nobody got time to evaluate if you really meant it or not. Half the board is prejudiced, and they lie about it all the time, and there are plenty of people who don't even need to make such comments to even be under such scrutiny. If you feel that the black community perpetuate thuggish behavior than you wouldn't be wrong anyway, but that true for any poor community. Pride and violence always went hand in hand, and when you have little in assets, and have anger for being treated like trash and being in shitty spots, you tend to really develop a strong desire to be respected. You can see the same in Hispanic poor cultures to.

shockthemonkey posted...

TheRobber posted...

shockthemonkey posted...

Theres nothing wrong with being trans isnt a bad idea

literally mental issues.

I understand that youre having mental issues here but thats not the point.

"i know you are, but what am i"
nice.

I am shocked to learn that Robert Arquette rejected the idea of being a transgender before dying.
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Seems to be alot of regret going on.
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Any thoughts on that @Sayoria?
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There's very little evidence for a lot of regret, as you say.
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COVxy posted...

There's very little evidence for a lot of regret, as you say.

http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2016/09/17753/
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Monolith1676 posted...

COVxy posted...

There's very little evidence for a lot of regret, as you say.

http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2016/09/17753/

In the few academic articles published on the subject shows an overall high rate of satisfaction post-op.

I can proactively gather individual testimony of people who have undergone terrible experiences with the root canal procedure, but that doesn't stop it from being a medically valid and appropriate procedure that on the whole is good.

Individual testimony screams bias, no matter what the source or content. If anything has individual testimony, think twice about it.
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Monolith1676 posted...

Any thoughts on that @Sayoria?

I know nothing about this case, so I cannot properly comment. All I know is, more people embrace it than regret it. There's no way to claim with 100% assurance whether suicide post-op or post-transition is risen. My belief is, and always has been, that society prodded them to suicide. Many of us can live happily post-transition. If you live in Mississippi or Alabama though, that's where it gets them.

I bet most transgender suicides happen in those places.

As I digress, but still.
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Lots of people regret plastic surgery but we aren't trying to stop that from happening.

From what I understand, most people who undertake gender reassignment surgery have to be talking with a licensed gender psychiatrist/psychologist and a doctor who specializes in it as well for a full year before it will happen. The person in question has to be OK'd by the other specialists before anything will happen.

That seems like a lot more forethought and care than some people in this topic are giving it credit for.
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Im not.

The DSM-5 lists gender dysphoria as a mental disorder. Indulging in someones psychological disorder is not beneficial to that persons well-being. Almost 1/2 of people suffering from gender dysphoria commit suicide, and that number doesnt decrease with surgical solutions.

Its perfectly acceptable to treat someone with gender dysphoria with respect, but engaging in their delusions and encouraging them is more detrimental than beneficial.
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Nomadic View posted...

and that number doesnt decrease with surgical solutions.

That is a misinterpretation of the evidence.
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Nomadic View posted...

Im not.

The DSM-5 lists gender dysphoria as a mental disorder. Indulging in someones psychological disorder is not beneficial to that persons well-being. Almost 1/2 of people suffering from gender dysphoria commit suicide, and that number doesnt decrease with surgical solutions.

Its perfectly acceptable to treat someone with gender dysphoria with respect, but engaging in their delusions and encouraging them is more detrimental than beneficial.

And in times past, medical professional listed homosexuality as a mental illness and chemically castrated them. To suggest that medical science is always correct is dangerous and has caused the death of millions of people.
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shockthemonkey posted...

Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

Nomadic View posted...

Im not.

The DSM-5 lists gender dysphoria as a mental disorder. Indulging in someones psychological disorder is not beneficial to that persons well-being. Almost 1/2 of people suffering from gender dysphoria commit suicide, and that number doesnt decrease with surgical solutions.

Its perfectly acceptable to treat someone with gender dysphoria with respect, but engaging in their delusions and encouraging them is more detrimental than beneficial.

And in times past, medical professional listed homosexuality as a mental illness and chemically castrated them. To suggest that medical science is always correct is dangerous and has caused the death of millions of people.

Also worth pointing out that gender dysphoria could be a mental illness that can be allieviated by hormone therapy and SRS.

The thing is, it's only helped me.

Pre-HRT, I was:

- Overweight
- A shut-in
- Unmotivated
- Depressed
- Uninterested in love

Post-HRT, I...

- Lost weight.... a lot.
- I am far more outgoing.
- I am motivated and keep on pressing myself to do better.
- No longer depressed.
- Conquered a fear.
- Actually got my license, which my depression kept me from ever giving two shits about.
- Enrolled back into school, graduating as a high honors student.
- Gained interest in possibly seeking a mate.
- Volunteered and interned for a non-profit organization.
- Started gaining interest in recreational activities such as geocaching and for the first time since I was probably 8, actually went to the beach.

People can hate on HRT all they want, but it's really done a work of great to me. I have zero doubts that it's been an influence in my life.
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