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(+) Yeah! (+)

That was pretty dope.I loved all the new characters. I'll never understand how these kids are so damn smart.
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way better than the first season
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a certain character totally didn't deserve what he got.

=(
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AsucaHayashi posted...

a certain character totally didn't deserve what he got.

=(

for real
they didn't even get a funeral right??
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AsucaHayashi posted...

a certain character totally didn't deserve what he got.

=(

I saw it coming,but definitely didn't deserve it.
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I just finished it myself (started watching at 8:30pm last night lol). I loved it a lot overall, though I'm really disappointed with ah, where Bob led. When we first saw him I made a joke about Bob dying first, thinking similar to Barb. And I mean I wasn't wrong, but I also didn't expect to see him through the whole season, grow to love him, and get my heart punted when he gets an insanely shitty gang mauling.

Also I feel the writers completely missed the mark with Billy. He got way too much screentime and it was more annoying than anything else with where his character led (that is to say, absolutely fucking nowhere but as the random asshole racist step-brother lol). He'll likely get proper developing in season 3.

I loved the kids, including the new addition of Max. I continue loving the hell out of Steve (he deserves better). Nancy and Jonathan are like, the Boring Duo at this point. Hope we see more of Doctor Owens, and I look forward to seeing where the writers take the Mind Flayer, who honestly just scares the hell out of me. Thing is freaky as fuck. And I'm dying to know if Brenner is alive or dead. Really hinted at him being alive, both in the show and by writer. Also give Kali a point. I liked that Eleven was exploring her background, but good lord are they taking the whole Kali thing somewhere or not?

I loved the season overall, and they need to give poor Will a break for season 3 lol.
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bob is the new barb
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Leanaunfurled posted...

I just finished it myself (started watching at 8:30pm last night lol). I loved it a lot overall, though I'm really disappointed with ah, where Bob led. When we first saw him I made a joke about Bob dying first, thinking similar to Barb. And I mean I wasn't wrong, but I also didn't expect to see him through the whole season, grow to love him, and get my heart punted when he gets an insanely shitty gang mauling.

Also I feel the writers completely missed the mark with Billy. He got way too much screentime and it was more annoying than anything else with where his character led (that is to say, absolutely fucking nowhere but as the random asshole racist step-brother lol). He'll likely get proper developing in season 3.

I loved the kids, including the new addition of Max. I continue loving the hell out of Steve (he deserves better). Nancy and Jonathan are like, the Boring Duo at this point. Hope we see more of Doctor Owens, and I look forward to seeing where the writers take the Mind Flayer, who honestly just scares the hell out of me. Thing is freaky as fuck. And I'm dying to know if Brenner is alive or dead. Really hinted at him being alive, both in the show and by writer. Also give Kali a point. I liked that Eleven was exploring her background, but good lord are they taking the whole Kali thing somewhere or not?

I loved the season overall, and they need to give poor Will a break for season 3 lol.

I think most of your problems with the show have to do with them setting up for season 3
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SoundNetwork posted...

I think most of your problems with the show have to do with them setting up for season 3

My problems with the season were minimal and yeah, most of it I can see as set up for season 3 aside from Billy. he still could have been handled better instead of being basically a waste of screen time. Him flirting with Mike's mom was 10/10 though.

EDIT: Is season 3 out yet? I'm dying over here. ;(
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Leanaunfurled posted...

My problems with the season were minimal and yeah, most of it I can see as set up for season 3 aside from Billy. he still could have been handled better instead of being basically a waste of screen time. Him flirting with Mike's mom was 10/10 though.

I loved that scene. His character really shined there.
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Only complaint I have is that it was only 9 episodes. Did not expect it to wrap up that fast.
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Dustin was incredible this season, as was Hop. The arguments with El were intense and a definite high point of the season. Seeing Steve evolve into the role of a mentor was pretty cool, and his acting was top notch as well.

The "Dart" shit got way too "mogwai"-ish and hammy. Max and Billy were both completely flat and under-utilized; the only real highlight there was the scene with Billy's father, and even then, it would have been far more effective if they actually gave us a reason to give a shit about him or his motivations. To quote another season recap, "it felt like the writers threw a mullet at a fast car and that was that." Jonathan x Nancy romance has been built up to across both seasons, so seeing that come together fully was nice, however I'm worried about what's left to be done with the characters. Too often when a show builds up a relationship like that, the writers seem to be at a loss for the characters after the "big reveal" or whatever. Mike was pretty drab this season compared to S1; again, like Max or The Cool Guy I Wanna Be When I Grow Up! , I found it hard to really give a shit what he was up to. He spent the whole season either being a dick to everyone else or being an extra in the background of Will scenes. The reunion with El was still really sweet and satisfying, despite his turd writing this time around.

The shit with Kali and her gaggle of juggalo-pandering suicide squad dweebs was just fucking unbearable and the lone irredeemably terrible aspect of this season. They were cheesy as shit and pretty poorly acted.

I just complained a lot but that's only because it's easier to voice specific problems I had than the overwhelming feeling of "HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT HOLYSHITHOLYSHIT" I've had for the past ~9 hours. Season 2 was pretty good and I'm excited/already dying for S3.
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Yeah, Billy's scene with his dad and his scene with Mike's mom were his two best scenes (and Dacre's acting was amazing in both) but...his character itself felt so pointless in the show overall that it doesn't really make up for that. I kept expecting to learn more about him, or why he hated Max so much, but...nothing. He's just a douche.

But here's hoping for season 3.

Bob should've just kept running. It was cliche.
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slmcknett posted...

Yeah, Billy's scene with his dad and his scene with Mike's mom were his two best scenes (and Dacre's acting was amazing in both) but...his character itself felt so pointless in the show overall that it doesn't really make up for that. I kept expecting to learn more about him, or why he hated Max so much, but...nothing. He's just a douche.

This is what I don't get. Due to the car scene, with him going, "Whose fault is it that we're here?!" to Max, who answers, "Yours." That led to him getting pissed and yelling in her face and implying it was her fault, but that's never built on later. I figured he just has anger issues and wants to blame someone, so he blames Max for having a dad that their parents want to move away from? *shrug*
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I liked Billy a lot tbh. I bet he was only on screen for like 20 minutes in the whole 9 eps, not sure why people had beef. He played the cool 80's kid so well. He'll probably get some better development next season assuming his family stays in town.

Bob was a great addition as well. Really grew to love him.
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I didnt mind Billy's nondevelopment. He wouldve just been another Steve if he turned face at the end. The little budge of him being obedient to his dad and respecting Max a bit at the end was enough for me.
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episode 7 was weird as fuck
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SSJGrimReaper posted...

episode 7 was weird as fuck

i enjoyed it. kali or whatever her name was has potential to be interesting.
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Leanaunfurled posted...

slmcknett posted...

Yeah, Billy's scene with his dad and his scene with Mike's mom were his two best scenes (and Dacre's acting was amazing in both) but...his character itself felt so pointless in the show overall that it doesn't really make up for that. I kept expecting to learn more about him, or why he hated Max so much, but...nothing. He's just a douche.

This is what I don't get. Due to the car scene, with him going, "Whose fault is it that we're here?!" to Max, who answers, "Yours." That led to him getting pissed and yelling in her face and implying it was her fault, but that's never built on later. I figured he just has anger issues and wants to blame someone, so he blames Max for having a dad that their parents want to move away from? *shrug*

Yeah this is what I mean. There was plenty of room for development without making him Steve 2 but instead they just did nothing with him.
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Im watching Beyond Stranger Things which is a buncha interviews of the cast about Stranger Things 2 and holy shit Kali is beautiful
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Touch posted...

I didnt mind Billy's nondevelopment. He wouldve just been another Steve if he turned face at the end. The little budge of him being obedient to his dad and respecting Max a bit at the end was enough for me.

Felt really unsatisfying imo. He was built up as an irredeemable, hateful, racist, psycho(he was going to kill the kids on a whim). Then the only punishment he got was a slap, and getting tranquilized. If they want to continue his character in another season, he should've at least been attacked by a monster, and just lose his mind because of it.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

He was built up as an irredeemable, hateful, racist, psycho(he was going to kill the kids on a whim).

you must have been watching a different show lol.
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lilORANG posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

He was built up as an irredeemable, hateful, racist, psycho(he was going to kill the kids on a whim).

you must have been watching a different show lol.

wat
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SSJGrimReaper posted...

lilORANG posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

He was built up as an irredeemable, hateful, racist, psycho(he was going to kill the kids on a whim).

you must have been watching a different show lol.

wat

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lilORANG posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

He was built up as an irredeemable, hateful, racist, psycho(he was going to kill the kids on a whim).

you must have been watching a different show lol.

er no it's pretty accurate lol
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SSJGrimReaper posted...

lilORANG posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

He was built up as an irredeemable, hateful, racist, psycho(he was going to kill the kids on a whim).

you must have been watching a different show lol.

wat

Billy was textbook "bully with a bad home life." This was clear from his early scenes with Max. And no, he wasn't going to kill the kids with his car lol.

Plus he offered Steve Basketball advice! I think deep down he's probably fine. Max's relationship with Lucas will help him get over his racism or something too.

Or he'll die.
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Leanaunfurled posted...

lol

I thought you quit CE. What is this?
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lilORANG posted...

Leanaunfurled posted...

lol

I thought you quit CE. What is this?

I tried talking about ST on FB and only got my aunt, who has only watched S1. ~_~ shit needs to be discussed, yo.
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lilORANG posted...

SSJGrimReaper posted...

lilORANG posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

He was built up as an irredeemable, hateful, racist, psycho(he was going to kill the kids on a whim).

you must have been watching a different show lol.

wat

Billy was textbook "bully with a bad home life." This was clear from his early scenes with Max. And no, he wasn't going to kill the kids with his car lol.

Plus he offered Steve Basketball advice! I think deep down he's probably fine. Max's relationship with Lucas will help him get over his racism or something too.

Or he'll die.

There's no indication that his home life is actually that bad. He seems free to leave, and do as he pleases with almost no consequences to his actions. The dad is only in a single scene, and in that scene he's frustrated and upset that his other child is missing, and Billy straight up disrespects both his parents at that point. It certainly didn't feel like abuse, rather it felt more like a heat of the moment reaction(aside from the respect talk, which he clearly needs).

If the step dad was really the problem, wouldn't that make Max the one who should have a problem with it? She's apparently fine with him, and is only upset because of Billy mistreating her for no reason, and being moved to a new town.
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Brah, did you see the mom cowering when the dad was talking to Billy? Even telling him "it's ok Neil" bc she was trying to diffuse, knowing he was about to get violent. That's abusive household, plain and simple. They don't have to come out and slap you with the implication (tho Neil literally comes out and slaps Billy so it's still super obvious >_>)

Bad dad also dropped a gay slur pretty readily, was surprised we didn't hear an n-word. Kids like Billy don't grow up hateful, they learn to hate from shitty abusive parents.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

If the step dad was really the problem, wouldn't that make Max the one who should have a problem with it?

she's the step child. She hasn't known Neil nearly as long. She was probably raised somewhat normally by her mom.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

There's no indication that his home life is actually that bad. He seems free to leave, and do as he pleases with almost no consequences to his actions. The dad is only in a single scene, and in that scene he's frustrated and upset that his other child is missing, and Billy straight up disrespects both his parents at that point. It certainly didn't feel like abuse, rather it felt more like a heat of the moment reaction(aside from the respect talk, which he clearly needs).

If the step dad was really the problem, wouldn't that make Max the one who should have a problem with it? She's apparently fine with him, and is only upset because of Billy mistreating her for no reason, and being moved to a new town.

Let alone how Billy reacted, did you see how the mom reacted back in the doorway? Man's not a good one, and we didn't see Max interact with her step-dad at all, or even refer to him iirc.
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lilORANG posted...

Brah, did you see the mom cowering when the dad was talking to Billy? Even telling him "it's ok Neil" bc she was trying to diffuse, knowing he was about to get violent. That's abusive household, plain and simple. They don't have to come out and slap you with the implication (tho Neil literally comes out and slaps Billy so it's still super obvious >_>)

Bad dad also dropped a gay slur pretty readily, was surprised we didn't hear an n-word. Kids like Billy don't grow up hateful, they learn to hate from shitty abusive parents.

Honestly, it seemed less like cowering, and more like she was just a passive person who doesn't like confrontations. If they wanted to set up the dad as a villain, it should e been referenced more than a single scene of Billy causing a rather big problem, and getting slapped once because of it. They could've had Max say something along lines of "if you think he's bad, you don't want to meet his father." or something. Just throwing in a parental figure out of the blue, who simply corrects Billy's unhinged behavior in a single scene, isn't enough to excuse his previous behavior.

Max puts all the blame squarely on Billy, and throughout the season, it's Billy we see causing everyone problems. The only explanation we get from Max is that Billy is upset that his dad remarried. Which indicates this is not his normal behavior, but that he became this way after their parents married.

Edit: To clarify, I'm not saying the dad isn't abusive, or will be a villain. I'm just saying the scene we got didn't do an adequate job explaining Billy's previous behavior. If it was trying to play him off as the victim, it failed completely, especially as he simply left to continue causing the same problems he had been.
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Dustin's turtle vanished

It will be the season 3 villain
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KogaSteelfang posted...

It certainly didn't feel like abuse,

Yes it fucking did dude.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

it failed completely

Because you're jumping through hoops excusing something that was very clearly abusive. It sure as hell didn't fail for everyone else.
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SSJGrimReaper posted...

Dustin's turtle vanished

It will be the season 3 villain

I noticed that as well lol. I could actually see this being true....

KogaSteelfang posted...

Honestly, it seemed less like cowering, and more like she was just a passive person who doesn't like confrontations.

I mean, I'm glad you don't seem to have experience with domestic abuse but they did everything they could in that one scene to show the kind of house Billy was growing up in.
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Any guesses on how they're gonna torture poor Will in season 3
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lilOrang posted...

I mean, I'm glad you don't seem to have experience with domestic abuse but they did everything they could in that one scene to show the kind of house Billy was growing up in.

Or maybe, and just maybe, it's because I do have experience with it. Seriously, if that was all I had to deal with, a stern talk and a single slap, I would have been over joyed.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

Seriously, if that was all I had to deal with, a stern talk and a single slap, I would have been over joyed.

You know, all that's missing from your posts are circus music.
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SSJGrimReaper posted...

Any guesses on how they're gonna torture poor Will in season 3

I hope he gets abducted again. Crazy Winona is best Winona
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dave_is_slick posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

Seriously, if that was all I had to deal with, a stern talk and a single slap, I would have been over joyed.

You know, all that's missing from your posts are circus music.

Whatever. I'm just saying the payoff didn't live up to the buildup, especially when just a single scene of some mild "abuse" is supposed to reverse our view of who was the most villainous human this season.
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lilORANG posted...

SSJGrimReaper posted...

Any guesses on how they're gonna torture poor Will in season 3

I hope he gets abducted again. Crazy Winona is best Winona

I was unaware there was any other kind of Winona.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

Whatever. I'm just saying the payoff didn't live up to the buildup, especially when just a single scene of some mild "abuse" is supposed to reverse our view of who was the most villainous human this season.

Who said it was supposed to reverse it?? I still want to see Billy painfully killed but now I also want to see his dad painfully killed.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

lilORANG posted...

Brah, did you see the mom cowering when the dad was talking to Billy? Even telling him "it's ok Neil" bc she was trying to diffuse, knowing he was about to get violent. That's abusive household, plain and simple. They don't have to come out and slap you with the implication (tho Neil literally comes out and slaps Billy so it's still super obvious >_>)

Bad dad also dropped a gay slur pretty readily, was surprised we didn't hear an n-word. Kids like Billy don't grow up hateful, they learn to hate from shitty abusive parents.

Honestly, it seemed less like cowering, and more like she was just a passive person who doesn't like confrontations. If they wanted to set up the dad as a villain, it should e been referenced more than a single scene of Billy causing a rather big problem, and getting slapped once because of it. They could've had Max say something along lines of "if you think he's bad, you don't want to meet his father." or something. Just throwing in a parental figure out of the blue, who simply corrects Billy's unhinged behavior in a single scene, isn't enough to excuse his previous behavior.

Max puts all the blame squarely on Billy, and throughout the season, it's Billy we see causing everyone problems. The only explanation we get from Max is that Billy is upset that his dad remarried. Which indicates this is not his normal behavior, but that he became this way after their parents married.

Edit: To clarify, I'm not saying the dad isn't abusive, or will be a villain. I'm just saying the scene we got didn't do an adequate job explaining Billy's previous behavior. If it was trying to play him off as the victim, it failed completely, especially as he simply left to continue causing the same problems he had been.

Please dont have kids
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dave_is_slick posted...

KogaSteelfang posted...

Whatever. I'm just saying the payoff didn't live up to the buildup, especially when just a single scene of some mild "abuse" is supposed to reverse our view of who was the most villainous human this season.

Who said it was supposed to reverse it?? I still want to see Billy painfully killed but now I also want to see his dad painfully killed.

This lol. We still know Billy is a dick. But it added context, and now we know he isn't "irredeemable" as you said above. He's not just evil for the sake of being evil. He's fucked up in the head and maybe a spunky young crew of misfits can befriend him and turn him around....or he'll just get mauled by some demidogs.
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I just finished it this afternoon. I thought it was fantastic. The ending of the last episode was Really sweet with all the boys getting dance partners
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Anyone think season 3 will focus more on the numbered people rather than the upside down or monsters?
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KogaSteelfang posted...

Anyone think season 3 will focus more on the numbered people rather than the upside down or monsters?

And Eleven forming her own X-Men like team
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