Board 8 > Was everything always this politically charged and I just...

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LapisLazuli posted...

I know you're bad at reading, but come on.

No. You are just completely talking bullshit and do not know that PC was its highest selling platform because it was ported from PC to Xbox and PS2 almost like 2 years later after its initial release
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No, I just said that all my friends owned the game. You've decided to warp this into....I have no idea what the fuck you're doing or trying to accomplish right now. What is going through your head that this is what you're doing right now, seriously?
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LapisLazuli posted...

No, I just said that all my friends owned the game. You've decided to warp this into....I have no idea what the fuck you're doing or trying to accomplish right now. What is going through your head that this is what you're doing right now, seriously?

There is a clear difference between "all of my friends owned that game" and "I do not know anybody who didn''t have that game"

Night and day.
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....there is an implication there. If people aren't my friends then how would I know what games they own?

You are reaching really hard here and for no actual reason, especially considering this whole topic.is supposedly how you're tired of discourse.
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Your post clearly indicates that you think Return to Wolfenstein was a hit. And, you support that with hell I don't even know anybody who owned an Xbox that didn't have that game! And further continue with... The only one that wasn't a hit was the 360 one right??

While I argue the complete opposite. I am saying Wolfenstein was not a hit when I say I did not own it nor know anyone who did.

It was not a hit as data shows.
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Anyways... Apparently the return to Wolfenstein game was considered controversial back then also.
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Alright well have fun with that.
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Corrik posted...

Your post clearly indicates that you think Return to Wolfenstein was a hit. And, you support that with hell I don't even know anybody who owned an Xbox that didn't have that game! And further continue with... The only one that wasn't a hit was the 360 one right??

While I argue the complete opposite. I am saying Wolfenstein was not a hit when I say I did not own it nor know anyone who did.

It was not a hit as data shows.

...I would argue that being the 48th best selling game across a 6 year period is "hit" status, but that's just me.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Corrik posted...

Your post clearly indicates that you think Return to Wolfenstein was a hit. And, you support that with hell I don't even know anybody who owned an Xbox that didn't have that game! And further continue with... The only one that wasn't a hit was the 360 one right??

While I argue the complete opposite. I am saying Wolfenstein was not a hit when I say I did not own it nor know anyone who did.

It was not a hit as data shows.

...I would argue that being the 48th best selling game across a 6 year period is "hit" status, but that's just me.

99th on Xbox. Outsold by Halo 2s map pack. 48th best selling PC game over that period is pretty weak.

Anyways.

The new order was a hit on PS4 getting about 1.5million sales. Sold about the same on Xbox one as return did. Ofc split demographic with PS3 and xbox360. The old blood was a disaster and flopped bad.
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Corrik posted...

99th on Xbox. Outsold by Halo 2s map pack

Halo 2's map pack was lit, it had some of the best maps in the game.
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I didn't know anybody who didn't have the Halo 2 map pack.
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Corrik posted...

Wasn't aware of it... Or is this shit new and getting completely out of control? I cannot watch ESPN, go to a video games forum, or open up Facebook without being bombarded by the topics all day.

Is this normal?

It pretty much is.

It was a bit calmer during the Obama years because Obama was himself a moderate stabilizing influence.

His replacement by Trump who actively feeds the tribalism has made everything worse because theres just so much MORE of it.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Corrik posted...

99th on Xbox. Outsold by Halo 2s map pack

Halo 2's map pack was lit, it had some of the best maps in the game.

Lol you said lit and aren't a teenager lol.

It was a great map pack tho.
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It all started when MWC started saving in SMFFFC.
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Eddv posted...

Corrik posted...

Wasn't aware of it... Or is this shit new and getting completely out of control? I cannot watch ESPN, go to a video games forum, or open up Facebook without being bombarded by the topics all day.

Is this normal?

It pretty much is.

It was a bit calmer during the Obama years because Obama was himself a moderate stabilizing influence.

His replacement by Trump who actively feeds the tribalism has made everything worse because theres just so much MORE of it.

Do you feel it is mostly just fueled by Democrats during Republican presidencies? You basically said it was only calm recently during Obama's terms while leaving Bush's and Trump's terms as when it was.

Or do you feel another reason? Like, I never remember it this bad ever.
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No it was pretty extreme during the Clinton years too - try watching Tiny Toons or Animaniacs some time, it was everywhere and my grandpa and dad were STILL making Reagan and Carter jokes 10 years later

Republicans and socialists tried to get this going under Obama but Obama himself is just so like - calm and reasonable that its hard to yell "look at how ridiculous this guy is".

I mean shit attempts to rabble rouse about him include rants about mustard and a tan suit the guy just didnt leave a lot hanging out there.

I feel like its WORSE now specifically because of Trump though. Like the guy just fuels it, he revels in the controversy and goes out and picks fight. No other president has done stuff like that.
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during the GWB years there wasn't nearly this much political discussion on B8, at least not since i started posting. obviously there was a lot of discussion in '04 because of the election, but after that people didn't seem to care that much anymore. that could just as well be because we were all way younger and didn't care as much about politics back then, though.
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Eddv posted...

No it was pretty extreme during the Clinton years too - try watching Tiny Toons or Animaniacs some time, it was everywhere and my grandpa and dad were STILL making Reagan and Carter jokes 10 years later

Republicans and socialists tried to get this going under Obama but Obama himself is just so like - calm and reasonable that its hard to yell "look at how ridiculous this guy is".

I mean shit attempts to rabble rouse about him include rants about mustard and a tan suit the guy just didnt leave a lot hanging out there.

I feel like its WORSE now specifically because of Trump though. Like the guy just fuels it, he revels in the controversy and goes out and picks fight. No other president has done stuff like that.

You could be right.
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LOLOLOLololol

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/691087-playstation-4/75927006
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His white ass seems offended
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

obviously there was a lot of discussion in '04 because of the election, but after that people didn't seem to care that much anymore.

yeah I feel like every election year is super politically charged, then someone gets elected and people (for the most part) just shrug and go on with life

but not with Trump - the election year fervor just keeps going and going
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Certainly as a Canadian it's a new experience to have American politics be constantly talked about.
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https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/691087-playstation-4/75929182
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it's a new thing for sure
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when I was a teen and a young adult, there were very few people who brought up politics all the time, especially in the sense of preaching to you about what you should or shouldn't do, and they were generally considered to be unlikable douches. I still consider these people to be unlikable douches but there's way more of them now rather than "very few."
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RySenkari posted...

With both parties going away from the center and ubiquitous 24 hour media, politics is a LOT more high stakes.

This is the actual answer. Everything is extreme now, there's no middle-ground and nobody is able to give statements to their own opinion without also first attacking/insulting the other extreme. And obviously everybody everywhere can now give their opinion on everything all the time.

And of course Trump is an outrageous individual, which just fuels these kinds of things even more.
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RyoCaliente posted...

RySenkari posted...

With both parties going away from the center and ubiquitous 24 hour media, politics is a LOT more high stakes.

This is the actual answer. Everything is extreme now, there's no middle-ground and nobody is able to give statements to their own opinion without also first attacking/insulting the other extreme. And obviously everybody everywhere can now give their opinion on everything all the time.

And of course Trump is an outrageous individual, which just fuels these kinds of things even more.

I know you're probably being hyperbolic here but just to be clear there are actually still plenty of moderate and non-extreme individuals. the problem is when they speak out they often get attacked by the extreme voices. and the extreme voices are so frequent and so loud that it's actually created a culture where the more common sense individuals often choose to remain silent rather than deal with the annoyance of poking the bee hive.

it definitely benefits the extremists to create a culture where only their voices are heard, and that this is the PERCEPTION of how the discourse goes (so it appears there are only two choices and their team is one of those choices). it often seems they are succeeding at that end in some respects, especially on certain platforms. but I do think in general the majority of people are pretty moderate.
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No, things only got so political in the last decade or so, with 2016 of course ramping it up hard. On one hand, it's tiring, on the other, more and more people are starting to think for themselves, which will eventually bring a solution to the crippling problem the world has been facing in the last few decades.

Xiahou Shake posted...

Can't say I'd ever have expected to be living in an age where a game about killing Nazis in a series about killing Nazis that's been around since the 80s would suddenly have vocal groups calling it controversial.

When you've got a game glorifying Karl Marx and proudly displaying the people under the hammer and sickle as the good guys, of course people will call it controversial. Especially when the advertising campaign was all anti-Trump globalist tropes. The self-destruction of Western gaming has been a true spectacle.
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Vlado posted...

No, things only got so political in the last decade or so, with 2016 of course ramping it up hard. On one hand, it's tiring, on the other, more and more people are starting to think for themselves, which will eventually bring a solution to the crippling problem the world has been facing in the last few decades.

couldn't disagree more. all it's done is create more mindless drones on both sides who refuse to listen to reason.
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MariaTaylor posted...

Vlado posted...

No, things only got so political in the last decade or so, with 2016 of course ramping it up hard. On one hand, it's tiring, on the other, more and more people are starting to think for themselves, which will eventually bring a solution to the crippling problem the world has been facing in the last few decades.

couldn't disagree more. all it's done is create more mindless drones on both sides who refuse to listen to reason.

SJWs don't deal in reason....

Vlado posted...

When you've got a game glorifying Karl Marx, of course people will call it controversial. Especially when the advertising campaign was all anti-Trump globalist tropes. The self-destruction of Western gaming has been a true spectacle.

Oh please, please point out everything anti-Trump in Wolfenstein ads.
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yeah the extreme right will tell me that the left is incapable of reason, the extreme left will tell me that the right is incapable of reason. at least this is one case where my experience has taught me that both sides were correct (and people on both will continue to insist that it's ONLY the other side, or that the other side is the MORE unreasonable one LMFAO)
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MariaTaylor posted...

yeah the extreme right will tell me that the left is incapable of reason, the extreme left will tell me that the right is incapable of reason. at least this is one case where my experience has taught me that both sides were correct (and people on both will continue to insist that it's ONLY the other side, or that the other side is the MORE unreasonable one LMFAO)

Sides do not matter, only truth.

Just like how we see a lot of Republicans who are anti-human globalist pawns, and at the same time honest Democrats (few as they are) like Sanders or Tulsi Gabbard.
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Imagine being a person who thinks this time is special
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I think both sides are nuts.
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I'll try to keep this as neutral as possible

There wasn't as much political discussion here during the bush years because the average poster was a teenager and we were arguing about video game characters.

There wasn't as much political discussion here during the Obama years because things were generally stable, and the specific changes he was making (halting torture, escaping iraq, supporting gay marriage and being light on marijuana, for example) generally aligned with the average poster here. Done strikes, spying, etc are a grey area that has always been going on and isn't unique to one party. People here weren't watching Fox news and getting riled up. Arguments are fueled by discontent, and there just wasn't enough.

Now we have policies coming out that are opposed to the average poster's values, and those posters are old enough and have the free time to pay attention.

I do think every era is unique. I'm not taking anything away from the special situation we are in right now
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banananor posted...

I'll try to keep this as neutral as possible

There wasn't as much political discussion here during the bush years because the average poster was a teenager and we were arguing about video game characters.

There wasn't as much political discussion here during the Obama years because things were generally stable, and the specific changes he was making (halting torture, escaping iraq, supporting gay marriage and being light on marijuana, for example) generally aligned with the average poster here. Done strikes, spying, etc are a grey area that has always been going on and isn't unique to one party. People here weren't watching Fox news and getting riled up. Arguments are fueled by discontent, and there just wasn't enough.

Now we have policies coming out that are opposed to the average poster's values, and those posters are old enough and have the free time to pay attention.

I do think every era is unique. I'm not taking anything away from the special situation we are in right now

The only thing I ever remember regarding sports and politics really was a huge outpouring of support for Tillman going to fight in Afghanistan and his subsequent death.
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