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Antifar
10/26/17 1:06:47 PM
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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/357250-kelly-said-he-wants-to-admit-between-zero-and-one-refugees-into-the

White House chief of staff John Kelly reportedly told other members of the Trump administration that if it were up to him the number of refugees admitted into the U.S. would be between zero and one.

The New York Times reported Wednesday that Kelly made the comment while the administration debated lowering the cap on the number of refugees allowed into the country.

President Trump eventually decided to lower the refugee cap to 45,000, the lowest levels since the Reagan administration, when the Refugee Act was passed. Officials said at the time that this number represents the maximum number of refugees possible under the administration's new vetting standards.

White House staffers told the Times that Kellys comment is an example of his similarities with Trump.

Kelly has been an enabler of Trumps mission, Juliette Kayyem, a former assistant Homeland Security secretary in the Obama administration, told the Times. Judge him that way.

Trump previously ordered the Department of Homeland Security to develop "extreme vetting" procedures for refugees.

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Veggeta X
10/26/17 1:08:00 PM
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I really hope this is fake news
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E32005
10/26/17 1:09:16 PM
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voldothegr8
10/26/17 1:09:48 PM
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Good, I agree
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FLUFFYGERM
10/26/17 1:09:55 PM
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Why does he believe that the US shouldn't accept any refugees?
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Balrog0
10/26/17 1:10:05 PM
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truly the moral center of the administration
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10/26/17 1:10:10 PM
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Kazi1212
10/26/17 1:13:27 PM
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He doesnt want to allow people in that have a potentially higher probability for security concerns? Shocking
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Antifar
10/26/17 1:13:47 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Why does he believe that the US shouldn't accept any refugees?

The explanation given in the NYT article is that he's a Marine from Boston
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/trump-kelly.html?mtrref=undefined
He is a Marine first and foremost, Mr. Panetta said. In addition to being a Marine, he was born and raised in Boston among blue-collar families with traditional views about God and country. You combine those two and you realize that he shares some of these deep values, some of which Trump himself has tried to talk about.


This doesn't strike me as a satisfactory explanation, but okay.
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AngelsNAirwav3s
10/26/17 1:14:54 PM
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Someone heard from someone who has a cousin who works for Trump, right
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creativerealms
10/26/17 1:21:50 PM
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He drank the Trump aid. No longer will I call him one of the sane ones.
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lilORANG
10/26/17 1:23:17 PM
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Antifar posted...
the number of refugees admitted into the U.S. would be between zero and one.

Is he gonna bring 'em in a body part at a time? That's just cruel.
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davyheinz
10/26/17 1:25:09 PM
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Antifar posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Why does he believe that the US shouldn't accept any refugees?

The explanation given in the NYT article is that he's a Marine from Boston
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/trump-kelly.html?mtrref=undefined
He is a Marine first and foremost, Mr. Panetta said. In addition to being a Marine, he was born and raised in Boston among blue-collar families with traditional views about God and country. You combine those two and you realize that he shares some of these deep values, some of which Trump himself has tried to talk about.


This doesn't strike me as a satisfactory explanation, but okay.

Its not really an explanation at all.
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Antifar
10/26/17 1:28:12 PM
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creativerealms posted...
He drank the Trump aid

The dude ran Gitmo. This is who he was long before Trump.
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UnholyMudcrab
10/26/17 1:29:55 PM
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creativerealms posted...
He drank the Trump aid. No longer will I call him one of the same ones.

He never was. You just bought into the narrative.
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hyperpowder
10/26/17 1:30:06 PM
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Honestly should fight for change and not run away from the situation.

Only women and children should be allowed as refugees.
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CocteauTriplet
10/26/17 1:31:11 PM
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John Kelly is pathetic. I gave him the benefit of the doubt at first, and it was funny to watch how embarrassed he gets listening to Trump's speeches, but he's an obvious shill. Called that congresswoman a disgrace for being present during the phone call to the gold star mother (in a twist, turns out the fucking hypocrite was also listening in on the conversation, Lol), and now this bullshit. Respect is waning for this man.
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BLAKUboy
10/26/17 1:31:30 PM
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Seriously, where did the narrative that he was somehow the "mature" one in the White House come from?
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K3vintheDork
10/26/17 1:31:34 PM
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Title is wrong.

He said between zero and one. So an Iraqi man who had his legs chopped off is more than welcome.
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50Blessings
10/26/17 1:32:19 PM
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Works well for Japan
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ImTheMacheteGuy
10/26/17 1:33:07 PM
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Normally I'd say death penalty for him, but he's from my state, so I'll settle with life without parole (in gitmo)
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Bio1590
10/26/17 1:35:49 PM
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He's an Irish Catholic from Boston?

Legitimately what are the odds he's descended from Irish refugees? This is amazing.
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SamuelHayden
10/26/17 1:38:10 PM
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Can you hear that? It's the overton window sliding faaaaaarrr into the far-right. This is now an almost-meh conversation.
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southcoast09
10/26/17 1:38:58 PM
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voldothegr8 posted...
Good, I agree

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dr_zomberg
10/26/17 1:47:49 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
Why does he believe that the US shouldn't accept any refugees?

Look at Europe . You'll get your answer
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Anteaterking
10/26/17 1:52:44 PM
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Antifar posted...
The dude ran Gitmo.

???

Directly or just as part of the southern command?
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creativerealms
10/26/17 1:53:11 PM
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dr_zomberg posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Why does he believe that the US shouldn't accept any refugees?

Look at Europe . You'll get your answer

We have a much easier time controlling refugees then they can. that's a benefit of those oceans on both sides.
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Malcolm_McGuffi
10/26/17 1:54:03 PM
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Douche
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l33t_iRk3n_Rm33
10/26/17 1:55:15 PM
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Good thing those refugees arent me or Id be in big trouble! /s
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Metua
10/26/17 1:56:06 PM
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Antifar posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Why does he believe that the US shouldn't accept any refugees?

The explanation given in the NYT article is that he's a Marine from Boston
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/trump-kelly.html?mtrref=undefined
He is a Marine first and foremost, Mr. Panetta said. In addition to being a Marine, he was born and raised in Boston among blue-collar families with traditional views about God and country. You combine those two and you realize that he shares some of these deep values, some of which Trump himself has tried to talk about.


This doesn't strike me as a satisfactory explanation, but okay.

"Deep values" like xenophobia?
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A_Good_Boy
10/26/17 2:10:41 PM
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dr_zomberg posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Why does he believe that the US shouldn't accept any refugees?

Look at Europe . You'll get your answer

Why can't we look at the refugees that are already in the country? You know, the group of people overwhelmingly become small business owners and have a net impact on their local economies while showing lower instances of criminality compared to the general population?
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CW_McGraw
10/26/17 2:11:03 PM
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You break it, you buy it. The US can't irresponsibly foment regime change and chaos in the Middle East for decades and then claim it has no responsibility to the millions of people whose lives are adversely affected.
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Freddie_Mercury
10/26/17 2:15:49 PM
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Antifar posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Why does he believe that the US shouldn't accept any refugees?

The explanation given in the NYT article is that he's a Marine from Boston
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/trump-kelly.html?mtrref=undefined
He is a Marine first and foremost, Mr. Panetta said. In addition to being a Marine, he was born and raised in Boston among blue-collar families with traditional views about God and country. You combine those two and you realize that he shares some of these deep values, some of which Trump himself has tried to talk about.


This doesn't strike me as a satisfactory explanation, but okay.


are you implying being a god-fearing hardworking blue-collar American isn't the answer to every question
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dr_zomberg
10/26/17 2:20:53 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
dr_zomberg posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Why does he believe that the US shouldn't accept any refugees?

Look at Europe . You'll get your answer

Why can't we look at the refugees that are already in the country? You know, the group of people overwhelmingly become small business owners and have a net impact on their local economies while showing lower instances of criminality compared to the general population?


because the select few that came in were screened up the ass for any terrorist shit.
meanwhile, the ones in europe flocked like a flood. terrorists included (let the refugees in: so far over 20 terrorist acts in the last 2 years)
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10/26/17 2:23:13 PM
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CocteauTriplet posted...
John Kelly is pathetic. I gave him the benefit of the doubt at first, and it was funny to watch how embarrassed he gets listening to Trump's speeches, but he's an obvious shill. Called that congresswoman a disgrace for being present during the phone call to the gold star mother (in a twist, turns out the fucking hypocrite was also listening in on the conversation, Lol), and now this bullshit. Respect is waning for this man.

Let's not forget that women were supposed to be sacred, but he thought it was okay to refer to Rep. Wilson as an "empty barrel."

Guy is a shill. Don't care how many stars he has.
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Samurontai
10/26/17 2:23:49 PM
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dr_zomberg posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
dr_zomberg posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Why does he believe that the US shouldn't accept any refugees?

Look at Europe . You'll get your answer

Why can't we look at the refugees that are already in the country? You know, the group of people overwhelmingly become small business owners and have a net impact on their local economies while showing lower instances of criminality compared to the general population?


because the select few that came in were screened up the ass for any terrorist shit.
meanwhile, the ones in europe flocked like a flood. terrorists included (let the refugees in: so far over 20 terrorist acts in the last 2 years)


This doesn't make any sense because we don't have a "select few" amount of refugees.

Your point is pretty much already moot.

50Blessings posted...
Works well for Japan


They're having population problems right now, so I wouldn't really say it is, no
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Bat178
10/26/17 2:24:04 PM
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dr_zomberg posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
dr_zomberg posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Why does he believe that the US shouldn't accept any refugees?

Look at Europe . You'll get your answer

Why can't we look at the refugees that are already in the country? You know, the group of people overwhelmingly become small business owners and have a net impact on their local economies while showing lower instances of criminality compared to the general population?


because the select few that came in were screened up the ass for any terrorist shit.
meanwhile, the ones in europe flocked like a flood. terrorists included (let the refugees in: so far over 20 terrorist acts in the last 2 years)

Europe is geographically connected to the Middle East, while North America has oceans between them, Europe and Asia. Of course they'd flood into Europe.
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A_Good_Boy
10/26/17 2:26:06 PM
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dr_zomberg posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
dr_zomberg posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Why does he believe that the US shouldn't accept any refugees?

Look at Europe . You'll get your answer

Why can't we look at the refugees that are already in the country? You know, the group of people overwhelmingly become small business owners and have a net impact on their local economies while showing lower instances of criminality compared to the general population?


because the select few that came in were screened up the ass for any terrorist shit.
meanwhile, the ones in europe flocked like a flood. terrorists included (let the refugees in: so far over 20 terrorist acts in the last 2 years)

So our screening processes lead to an extremely beneficial outcome with our refugee population in comparison to Europe and you still want to use Europe as your justification for halting the entry of more refugees? Why would you rather do that instead of using America as your model when America has demonstrated that its capable of screening refugees and seeing success instead of using Europe?
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Iodine
10/26/17 2:28:13 PM
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dr_zomberg posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
dr_zomberg posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Why does he believe that the US shouldn't accept any refugees?

Look at Europe . You'll get your answer

Why can't we look at the refugees that are already in the country? You know, the group of people overwhelmingly become small business owners and have a net impact on their local economies while showing lower instances of criminality compared to the general population?


because the select few that came in were screened up the ass for any terrorist shit.
meanwhile, the ones in europe flocked like a flood. terrorists included (let the refugees in: so far over 20 terrorist acts in the last 2 years)

So why not simply keep our immigration quotas as is?
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BLAKUboy
10/26/17 2:33:37 PM
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Iodine posted...
So why not simply keep our immigration quotas as is?

Because brown people are scary.
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dr_zomberg
10/26/17 2:34:07 PM
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yes. because the screening in the US is tight, it takes too long to let people in.
and whos to say someone cant be corrupted by isis propaganda into terrorism?
the guy that killed all those gays in florida was born and raised in the us. but still became an isis sympathizer.

using nature as a metaphor: you cant introduce an invasive species into an incompatible ecosystem.
it destabilizes it.

im glad poland said NO MORE. while the rest of europe rots away poland remains the last beacon of freedom and safety (relatively).
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Tmaster148
10/26/17 2:34:58 PM
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dr_zomberg posted...
the guy that killed all those gays in florida was born and raised in the us. but still became an isis sympathizer.


And what does this have to do about taking in refugees?
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A_Good_Boy
10/26/17 2:35:05 PM
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dr_zomberg posted...
using nature as a metaphor: you cant introduce an invasive species into an incompatible ecosystem.
it destabilizes it.

How have refugees destabilized America?
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Tropicalwood
10/26/17 2:35:20 PM
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>Looks at Europe
Good on him.
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UnholyMudcrab
10/26/17 2:35:41 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
dr_zomberg posted...
using nature as a metaphor: you cant introduce an invasive species into an incompatible ecosystem.
it destabilizes it.

How have refugees destabilized America?

If anything, it's the reaction to the refugees that's having the destabilizing effect.
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Antifar
10/26/17 2:37:31 PM
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Steven Paddock killed more people than the last several years' worth of European terror attacks.
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Samurontai
10/26/17 2:37:57 PM
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Tropicalwood posted...
>Looks at Europe
Good on him.


>Looks at Canada and the US

Uh, okay?
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A_Good_Boy
10/26/17 2:40:23 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
dr_zomberg posted...
using nature as a metaphor: you cant introduce an invasive species into an incompatible ecosystem.
it destabilizes it.

How have refugees destabilized America?

If anything, it's the reaction to the refugees that's having the destabilizing effect.

Seems more productive to ban people like zomberg. Refugees have demonstrated that they benefit the nation while people like him are running people over and shooting at people from their pickups.
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FrisbeeDude
10/26/17 2:40:25 PM
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davyheinz posted...
Antifar posted...
FLUFFYGERM posted...
Why does he believe that the US shouldn't accept any refugees?

The explanation given in the NYT article is that he's a Marine from Boston
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/25/us/politics/trump-kelly.html?mtrref=undefined
He is a Marine first and foremost, Mr. Panetta said. In addition to being a Marine, he was born and raised in Boston among blue-collar families with traditional views about God and country. You combine those two and you realize that he shares some of these deep values, some of which Trump himself has tried to talk about.


This doesn't strike me as a satisfactory explanation, but okay.

Its not really an explanation at all.


Unless people are willing to concede that "white Bostonian" equates to someone who racially intolerant, it really isn't.
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Tmaster148
10/26/17 2:52:56 PM
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dr_zomberg posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
dr_zomberg posted...
the guy that killed all those gays in florida was born and raised in the us. but still became an isis sympathizer.


And what does this have to do about taking in refugees?


arab = potential terrorist.
- signed, the U.S.


that still no relation to a guy born and raised in the US engaging in terrorism.
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