Current Events > My mom used to tell me if I lied in God's name it was insta-banishment to hell.

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She'd say "do you swear on God's honor?"

and of course as a little kid I'd fess up and tell the truth. Is this a solid parenting technique or kinda bad iyo?
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Im gonna replace god with Santa and instead of banishment to hell it means you dont get presents. Unfortunately this will only work seasonally for a few years.
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Hell scared me way more than not getting presents. I always had enough toys growing up.
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I heard that and using his name in vain were permanent hell sentences and I've seen people in some sort of authority use it to scare people. So God sent down his son (or himself) to Earth who preached forgiveness while God himself doesn't forgive?
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it doesn't have to be God, but I think it's a pretty damn important thing to instill in your kids. Be honest and be a man or woman of your word. It gets lost in our society nowadays but it's such a good thing to have.
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Southernfatman posted...

I heard that and using his name in vain were permanent hell trips and I've seen people in some sort of authority use it to scare people. So God sent down his son (or himself) to Earth who preached forgiveness while God himself doesn't forgive?

Old testament God was never one for forgiveness. He held grudges and heaven won't help you if you got on his bad side.
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I look down on people who believe in hell. The absurdity of the ideas of heaven and hell is beyond comprehension.
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guys this is a topic about parenting idc about your religious views.
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lilORANG posted...

guys this is a topic about parenting idc about your religious views.

It's pretty clear by my post how I feel about that kind of parenting though >_>
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I told my siblings that you get your legs taken off and replaced with wooden legs around age 10 and that everyone older than that had wooden legs, and it was just a fact of life and they'd have to deal with it

they lived in fear
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lying to your kids is not a good idea

and now you are an atheist right?
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

I look down on people who believe in hell. The absurdity of the ideas of heaven and hell is beyond comprehension.

do you like rick and morty
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Are you seriously asking if threatening your kids with eternity in hell is okay? Just because it's not real it doesn't make it okay.
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Duncanwii posted...

Southernfatman posted...

I heard that and using his name in vain were permanent hell trips and I've seen people in some sort of authority use it to scare people. So God sent down his son (or himself) to Earth who preached forgiveness while God himself doesn't forgive?

Old testament God was never one for forgiveness. He held grudges and heaven won't help you if you got on his bad side.

incorrect
this is a misconception

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manasseh_of_Judah
one example
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Is it your gimmick to keep talking about the afterlife?
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Philoktetes posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

I look down on people who believe in hell. The absurdity of the ideas of heaven and hell is beyond comprehension.

do you like rick and morty

Rick and Morty has the devil as a character though
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Southernfatman posted...

I heard that and using his name in vain were permanent hell sentences and I've seen people in some sort of authority use it to scare people. So God sent down his son (or himself) to Earth who preached forgiveness while God himself doesn't forgive?

how come using this tactic and asking someone to potentially lie on gods name, or using gods name as a selfish means to get the answer you want, isn't seen as disrespectful?
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TheVipaGTS posted...

how come using this tactic and asking someone to potentially lie on gods name, or using gods name as a selfish means to get the answer you want, isn't seen as disrespectful?

well if we read the bible....

Matthew 5
33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:
35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.
36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.
37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Matthew 23
16 Woe unto you, ye blind guides, which say, Whosoever shall swear by the temple, it is nothing; but whosoever shall swear by the gold of the temple, he is a debtor!
17 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gold, or the temple that sanctifieth the gold?
18 And, Whosoever shall swear by the altar, it is nothing; but whosoever sweareth by the gift that is upon it, he is guilty.
19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.

tl;dr, making your kid swear to God isn't something Jesus wants you to ever do

but that would be too easy

then we couldn't act like these anecdotes are doing God's will and thus we can't act like God is bad because of it
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Link HT posted...

Are you seriously asking if threatening your kids with eternity in hell is okay? Just because it's not real it doesn't make it okay.

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No, you're teaching the kid to do something good solely because of fear of a negative repercussion, not because he should do what's right. If the child ever stops believing in the negative repercussion, then he's more likely to do an immoral thing.

While negative repercussions are a useful tool in parenting, it shouldn't be the centerpiece of the relationship with your child.
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Prestoff posted...

Is it your gimmick to keep talking about the afterlife?

It's on his mind alot, I've noticed.

if you have to lie to your mom about something it's not something you should be doing
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Philoktetes posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

I look down on people who believe in hell. The absurdity of the ideas of heaven and hell is beyond comprehension.

do you like rick and morty

I've only seen a few episodes that my friend out on when I was hanging out. We were drinking and high every time. It seemed pretty good, but so do most things I watch when I'm drunk and high.
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Link HT posted...

Are you seriously asking if threatening your kids with eternity in hell is okay? Just because it's not real it doesn't make it okay.

This. It's pretty horrible actually.
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Philoktetes posted...

if you have to lie to your mom about something it's not something you should be doing

i agree but as a little kid you are prone to do things you shouldn't and try to lie about them to not get in even more trouble

darkphoenix181 posted...

lying to your kids is not a good idea

So you think the Santa thing is a bad idea? What if you're like 5 and you ask why you don't have a daddy and your mom is honest and says because he hated his son and blew his brains out? Is there room to lie ever?
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lmao of course the edgy atheist is a drug user
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@SBAllen the notification system is tripping out on me again
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My parents used to tell me all sorts of things would get me sent to hell. Come to think of it, I think they honestly just hope I burn in hell.
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IronWolf87 posted...

My parents used to tell me all sorts of things would get me sent to hell. Come to think of it, I think they honestly just hope I burn in hell.

are you a bad person?
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Philoktetes posted...

lmao of course the edgy atheist is a drug user

I'm giving this this a 20% chance you're referring to me, but if so, a 100% chance of a suicide note on your part.
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are you threatening me
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lilORANG posted...

So you think the Santa thing is a bad idea?

many kids are actually shattered when they discover Santa is not only not real but many adults they loved and respect had lied to them about it

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/pretending-santa-real-damages-relationships-9323976

Telling kids that Santa is real can ruin relationships between parents and children, and even cause long term damage, experts have warned.

Creating stories about Father Christmas undermines a child's trust and isn't completely morally justifiable, they claim.

Psychologist Professsor Christopher Boyle and social scientist Dr Kathy McKay have also blasted the idea of a "terrifying" North Pole intelligence agency which judges whether kids are nice or naughty.

"All children will eventually find out they've been consistently lied to for years, and this might make them wonder what other lies they've been told.

as far as the other part

don't lie about the dad being dead

don't say "he left" or some other cop out, tell them he is dead

but you don't have to explain he put a gun in his mouth and blew his brains all over the walls methinks
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darkphoenix181 posted...

many kids are actually shattered when they discover Santa is not only not real but many adults they loved and respect had lied to them about it

That's true for my mom. She was devastated to learn the truth. That's why she always told me they didn't really exist, and I'm actually glad she did.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

but you don't have to explain he put a gun in his mouth and blew his brains all over the walls methinks

so you're one of those "lies of omissions aren't really lies" types eh?
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telling the truth is v important

lilORANG posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

but you don't have to explain he put a gun in his mouth and blew his brains all over the walls methinks

so you're one of those "lies of omissions aren't really lies" types eh?

what do you mean by lie of omission?

just because your 5 year old asks you how his dad died and to spare him no detail doesn't obligate you to do so does it?

consider:

5 year old "mom, what are those pills you just took!?!"

does she have to answer the question? no

but she could on the other hand say "son, it wasn't pills, it was candy"

see the difference?
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darkphoenix181 posted...

lilORANG posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

but you don't have to explain he put a gun in his mouth and blew his brains all over the walls methinks

so you're one of those "lies of omissions aren't really lies" types eh?

what do you mean by lie of omission?

just because your 5 year old asks you how his dad died and to spare him no detail doesn't obligate you to do so does it?

consider:

5 year old "mom, what are those pills you just took!?!"

does she have to answer the question? no

but she could on the other hand say "son, it wasn't pills, it was candy"

see the difference?

so shutting down and not talking is better than white lies in your book?
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lilORANG posted...

so shutting down and not talking is better than white lies in your book?

yes, it is better for the mom to say "that is none of your business"

then "son, it wasn't pills, it was candy"
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