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SSJBGenkiDama
11/10/17 11:43:01 PM
#451:


NBIceman posted...
I can't talk myself into thinking it's a work. It has all the makings of one, but it's just being carried out in such a subtle way that it doesn't fit for a company that relentlessly beats its audience over the head with every single aspect of their programming.


They sent 2 guys off a continent....

Where is the subtlety here? You can't make it any clearer you "punished" someone severely.
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scarletspeed7
11/10/17 11:45:31 PM
#452:


Because WWE didn't Tweet it. That's, like, if it was a work, they would have Tweeted the fuck out of that.
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TheRock1525
11/10/17 11:48:53 PM
#453:


Don't worry, CM Punk is gonna shoot and win that Royal Rumble any day now.
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NBIceman
11/11/17 12:15:42 AM
#454:


SSJBGenkiDama posted...
NBIceman posted...
I can't talk myself into thinking it's a work. It has all the makings of one, but it's just being carried out in such a subtle way that it doesn't fit for a company that relentlessly beats its audience over the head with every single aspect of their programming.


They sent 2 guys off a continent....

Where is the subtlety here? You can't make it any clearer you "punished" someone severely.

Where was the WWE.com article? Where is the video of Shane talking about sending them home for misconduct?

The WWE style of work is to make absolutely sure that their entire fanbase is fully aware of everything that's happening in the story. If they were working here, they'd be producing content going out of its way to paint Zayn and Owens as crazy, selfish, unprofessional loose cannons that had to be sent away because their behavior was becoming too dangerous to the brand and the company. None of that is happening.
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StealThisSheen
11/11/17 3:57:49 AM
#455:


Yeah, I don't really see how it's a work, since... How would anybody know outside of dirtsheets? They were on this past week's taping, they're apparently going to be on this coming week's, and WWE didn't say a single thing about it, so... Who is it working, exactly?
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Hardcore_Adult
11/11/17 4:56:14 AM
#456:


Jakyl25 posted...
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Strip him of his title for conduct detremental to the company


You could, but hes honestly bigger than any title


His head, maybe.
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RaidenZeroX
11/11/17 6:34:58 AM
#457:


I've read the angle about it being a misunderstanding and them not understanding what they were supposed to do which makes some sense, but at the same time I'd still expect them to know.
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eaedwards6400
11/11/17 3:03:16 PM
#458:


It may not have been a work at first but you sure as hell know they are going to use the crap out of it now.
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RaidenZeroX
11/11/17 11:02:32 PM
#459:


http://www.wrestleview.com/wwe-news/93265-daniel-bryan-trying-cleared-wwe-return/

I hope they let him back in the ring if things are going as well as he says they are.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
11/12/17 4:49:58 PM
#460:


SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
Mike Awesome the Fat Chick Thrilla gets the WCW Title and goes on a Goldberg like win streak.

But every time he wins he brings out a different fat chick he "thrilled" after his last Title defense.


Hear me out... would that actually be that much worse than what they ACTUALLY did in 2000/01
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ZeroSignal620
11/12/17 4:59:08 PM
#461:


2000, not so much. WCW was an absolute shit show for about 95% of the year (the 5% otherwise being Steiner's world title run), so Mike Awesome bringing out different fat chicks every night wouldn't really be much worse than what we actually saw.

2001 had things going in a slightly better direction (Sid Vicious, Animal, and US Champion Rick Steiner excluded). The Cruiserweight division was about to look better than ever with them getting their own tag titles. Scott Steiner's run was at its peak with him mowing down Goldberg, Sid, Nash, DDP, Booker (though he returned near the end), and Sting. The biggest reason WCW truly went under in 2001 was Jamie Kellner and Time Network Cable.

Also speaking of Mike Awesome, you'd be hard pressed to find someone from the Alliance stable that had a worse WWE run. Even Stasiak fared better.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
11/12/17 5:03:45 PM
#462:


ZeroSignal620 posted...
2000, not so much. WCW was an absolute shit show for about 95% of the year (the 5% otherwise being Steiner's world title run), so Mike Awesome bringing out different fat chicks every night wouldn't really be much worse than what we actually saw.

2001 had things going in a slightly better direction (Sid Vicious, Animal, and US Champion Rick Steiner excluded). The Cruiserweight division was about to look better than ever with them getting their own tag titles. Scott Steiner's run was at its peak with him mowing down Goldberg, Sid, Nash, DDP, Booker (though he returned near the end), and Sting. The biggest reason WCW truly went under in 2001 was Jamie Kellner and Time Network Cable.

Also speaking of Mike Awesome, you'd be hard pressed to find someone from the Alliance stable that had a worse WWE run. Even Stasiak fared better.


Kanyon?
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SSJBKK20Vegito
11/12/17 5:05:35 PM
#463:


ZeroSignal620 posted...
2000, not so much. WCW was an absolute shit show for about 95% of the year (the 5% otherwise being Steiner's world title run), so Mike Awesome bringing out different fat chicks every night wouldn't really be much worse than what we actually saw.

2001 had things going in a slightly better direction (Sid Vicious, Animal, and US Champion Rick Steiner excluded). The Cruiserweight division was about to look better than ever with them getting their own tag titles. Scott Steiner's run was at its peak with him mowing down Goldberg, Sid, Nash, DDP, Booker (though he returned near the end), and Sting. The biggest reason WCW truly went under in 2001 was Jamie Kellner and Time Network Cable.

Also speaking of Mike Awesome, you'd be hard pressed to find someone from the Alliance stable that had a worse WWE run. Even Stasiak fared better.


Also, I must emphasize that was like the dumbest reasonable idea (IE, not they started playing Chess for wrestling belts) I could come up with, and after I did I looked at it and just thought.... is this that much worse than what they did? Which I guess goes to show you how bad it really was...
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Maniac64
11/13/17 3:30:08 PM
#464:


I saw on twitter recently that Drew Gulak used the Chikara Special in a match.

This makes me happy.
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ZeroSignal620
11/13/17 4:10:57 PM
#465:


SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
Kanyon?


Kanyon got to be a double champion for a brief period of time and almost became a triple champion. Mike Awesome had the Hardcore title for a couple weeks and then disappeared after jobbing to Edge and Christian.

Next time we saw Awesome on WWE television, he was jobbing to Funaki and Bull Buchanan on Velocity.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
11/13/17 4:13:17 PM
#466:


ZeroSignal620 posted...
SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
Kanyon?


Kanyon got to be a double champion for a brief period of time and almost became a triple champion. Mike Awesome had the Hardcore title for a couple weeks and then disappeared after jobbing to Edge and Christian.

Next time we saw Awesome on WWE television, he was jobbing to Funaki and Bull Buchanan on Velocity.


What about that one tag team that actually got fired during the invasion... (I think they had a match with Taker and Kane and just got ran over...)
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scarletspeed7
11/13/17 4:14:54 PM
#467:


KroniK, MWC.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
11/13/17 4:16:04 PM
#468:


scarletspeed7 posted...
KroniK, MWC.


Thank you.

Wasn't KroniK worse than Mike Awesome?
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scarletspeed7
11/13/17 4:17:12 PM
#469:


Yes. Utterly atrocious; they had had some injury problems and they were getting old. They were already WWF castaways anyways, neither of whom had been much in the way of in-ring work.
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ZeroSignal620
11/13/17 4:18:31 PM
#470:


SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
What about that one tag team that actually got fired during the invasion... (I think they had a match with Taker and Kane and just got ran over...)


KroniK makes a strong case as well. Their match with Taker/Kane was considered by some to be the worst match of 2001. They did so bad that WWF staff told them to go back to development; KroniK instead told them to fuck off and walked out.

Basically the absolute bottom tier of superstars that came via InVasion angle are them, Awesome, and Bagwell
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SSJBKK20Vegito
11/13/17 4:19:12 PM
#471:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Yes. Utterly atrocious; they had had some injury problems and they were getting old. They were already WWF castaways anyways, neither of whom had been much in the way of in-ring work.


Do you believe they had an actual booked worse WWE run?
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SSJBKK20Vegito
11/13/17 4:20:24 PM
#472:


ZeroSignal620 posted...
SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
What about that one tag team that actually got fired during the invasion... (I think they had a match with Taker and Kane and just got ran over...)


KroniK makes a strong case as well. Their match with Taker/Kane was considered by some to be the worst match of 2001. They did so bad that WWF staff told them to go back to development; KroniK instead told them to fuck off and walked out.

Basically the absolute bottom tier of superstars that came via InVasion angle are them, Awesome, and Bagwell


Bagwell got fucked dude.... he wasn't Elite or anything. But he was a solid upper miscard who could draw...
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scarletspeed7
11/13/17 4:20:28 PM
#473:


They were booked worse for sure, but they absolutely deserved to be booked worse. They had declined in skill from their previous run, they were pains to work with behind-the-scenes, they had drug problems... just a total package, and not the Luger kind.
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Tom Bombadil
11/13/17 4:22:53 PM
#474:


scarletspeed7 posted...
just a total package, and not the Luger kind.


it warms my Luger-mark heart to seem him favorably compared to....anything, really
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scarletspeed7
11/13/17 4:23:59 PM
#475:


I'm a mark for Luger too, man. I loved him circa 1996-1997.
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ZeroSignal620
11/13/17 4:24:55 PM
#476:


SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
Bagwell got fucked dude.... he wasn't Elite or anything. But he was a solid upper miscard who could draw...


It's 50/50 with Buff; his attitude was the main reason he got released the moment the InVasion began. But also, Vince books Booker vs Bagwell on Raw in Washington state, which wasn't really known for being WCW friendly. A week later, Raw's in Atlanta, the backyard of WCW; guaranteed a better reaction would happen.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
11/13/17 4:29:02 PM
#477:


ZeroSignal620 posted...
SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
Bagwell got fucked dude.... he wasn't Elite or anything. But he was a solid upper miscard who could draw...


It's 50/50 with Buff; his attitude was the main reason he got released the moment the InVasion began. But also, Vince books Booker vs Bagwell on Raw in Washington state, which wasn't really known for being WCW friendly. A week later, Raw's in Atlanta, the backyard of WCW; guaranteed a better reaction would happen.


What was his attitude?
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ZeroSignal620
11/13/17 5:28:56 PM
#478:


SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
What was his attitude?


From Wikipedia, so take it as you may...

When Bagwell arrived to the Raw tapings on July 9 in Atlanta, Georgia, he was informed he was being released from his contract due to complaints about his attitude and an altercation with fellow WCW alumnus Shane Helms. There were also accusations that Bagwell faked an injury at the July 3 SmackDown! tapings after receiving an aided powerbomb from the Acolytes Protection Agency. The accusations also claimed his mother Judy was calling WWF offices to request that her son get time off to heal from an injury supposedly inflicted to Bagwell from the aided powerbomb and to complain about her son's travel arrangements. However, Bagwell himself claims that he never understood why he was fired from the WWF.
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PrivateBiscuit1
11/13/17 5:37:05 PM
#479:


I feel like Shane Helms talked about this on Jericho's podcast.

https://youtu.be/JR1W6uFwKmc?t=21m48s

Found it.
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ScareChan
11/13/17 5:40:40 PM
#480:


Buff was never going to be The Rock

but he could have at least been Dolph
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PrivateBiscuit1
11/13/17 5:43:18 PM
#481:


ScareChan posted...
Buff was never going to be The Rock

but he could have at least been Dolph

But he was The Stuff.
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scarletspeed7
11/13/17 6:10:23 PM
#482:


Buff could have been the Miz of WCW if he could have kept his nose clean.
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scarletspeed7
11/13/17 6:18:45 PM
#483:


Hey, DB said that he's going through a new set of tests for WWE to possibly get cleared.
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Panthera
11/13/17 6:21:41 PM
#484:


I wonder how long it is until we start hearing the theory that Bryan not being cleared by the WWE is a work and they've just been deliberately keeping him out of the ring to build up anticipation for his return and he's not upset about it because he's been in on it all along?
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scarletspeed7
11/13/17 6:24:07 PM
#485:


That started, um, 18 months ago?
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Panthera
11/13/17 6:27:17 PM
#486:


Really? I've literally never seen anyone say it
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scarletspeed7
11/13/17 6:27:48 PM
#487:


I've seen it on Twitter, from the in-between mark and smark people who think everything is a conspiracy.
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Jakyl25
11/13/17 6:48:16 PM
#488:


ZeroSignal620 posted...
Their match with Taker/Kane was considered by some to be the worst match of 2001.


You would be very hard pressed to find serious competition for this award in WWF at least
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SSJBKK20Vegito
11/13/17 6:52:08 PM
#489:


Jakyl25 posted...
ZeroSignal620 posted...
Their match with Taker/Kane was considered by some to be the worst match of 2001.


You would be very hard pressed to find serious competition for this award in WWF at least


Obviously I don't remember random KronoK
Matches from 16 years ago. Why was it so bad? And how bad was it really?
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Jakyl25
11/13/17 6:56:27 PM
#490:


SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
ZeroSignal620 posted...
Their match with Taker/Kane was considered by some to be the worst match of 2001.


You would be very hard pressed to find serious competition for this award in WWF at least


Obviously I don't remember random KronoK
Matches from 16 years ago. Why was it so bad? And how bad was it really?


Adams and Clarke were awful, and 2000/2001 Undertaker is probably the worst in-ring Undertaker ever.

Heres the Observer Awards results for Worst Match of the Year 2001

OF THE YEAR
1. UNDERTAKER & KANE VS. KRONIK 9/23 PITTSBURGH . 367
2. Choshu & Nakanishi vs. Ogawa & Murakami 5/5 Fukuoka Dome 122
3. Booker T vs. Buff Bagwell 7/2 Tacoma 79
4. Chyna vs. Ivory 4/1 Houston 68
5. Chyna vs. Ivory 1/21 New Orleans 43
6. Jarrett vs. Sid vs. Steiner vs. Animal 1/14 Indy 34
7. Undertaker & Kane vs. DDP & Kanyon 8/19 San Jose 31
8. Trish Stratus vs. Lita 11/19 Charlotte 12
9. Chyna vs. Lita 5/20 Sacramento 11
10. Trish Status vs. Stacy Keibler 11/26 Oklahoma City 10

And this is a vote for only 1 award, not an accumulated score consisting of 1st/2nd/3rd place weighted votes
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scarletspeed7
11/13/17 6:58:14 PM
#491:


Go watch Unforgiven 2001 and see (I think it's Unforgiven).
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SSJBKK20Vegito
11/13/17 6:59:25 PM
#492:


Jakyl25 posted...
SSJBKK20Vegito posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
ZeroSignal620 posted...
Their match with Taker/Kane was considered by some to be the worst match of 2001.


You would be very hard pressed to find serious competition for this award in WWF at least


Obviously I don't remember random KronoK
Matches from 16 years ago. Why was it so bad? And how bad was it really?


Adams and Clarke were awful, and 2000/2001 Undertaker is probably the worst in-ring Undertaker ever.

Heres the Observer Awards results for Worst Match of the Year 2001

OF THE YEAR
1. UNDERTAKER & KANE VS. KRONIK 9/23 PITTSBURGH . 367
2. Choshu & Nakanishi vs. Ogawa & Murakami 5/5 Fukuoka Dome 122
3. Booker T vs. Buff Bagwell 7/2 Tacoma 79
4. Chyna vs. Ivory 4/1 Houston 68
5. Chyna vs. Ivory 1/21 New Orleans 43
6. Jarrett vs. Sid vs. Steiner vs. Animal 1/14 Indy 34
7. Undertaker & Kane vs. DDP & Kanyon 8/19 San Jose 31
8. Trish Stratus vs. Lita 11/19 Charlotte 12
9. Chyna vs. Lita 5/20 Sacramento 11
10. Trish Status vs. Stacy Keibler 11/26 Oklahoma City 10

And this is a vote for only 1 award, not an accumulated score consisting of 1st/2nd/3rd place weighted votes


Holy shit..... also. Shout out to Ivory vs Chyna for getting 2 PPV matches in the top 5. I'm gonna guess that is not at all a common occurrence.
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SSJBKK20Vegito
11/13/17 7:00:02 PM
#493:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Go watch Unforgiven 2001 and see (I think it's Unforgiven).


It is.

Cause Angle won the Title that night in one of my favorite moments ever.
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scarletspeed7
11/13/17 7:02:14 PM
#494:


If you've got the Network and ten minutes to kill, it's pretty bad. I remember the commentary was even having trouble coming up with anything to say.
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Jakyl25
11/13/17 7:07:24 PM
#495:


Speaking of things that willl never be repeated

WORST GIMMICK
1. DDP MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER 119
2. DDP Stalker gimmick 91
3. Hurricane 62
4. Kurt Angle geek 46
5. Perry Saturn 38
6. Shane McMahon dancing bad ass 35
7. Undertaker 29
8. Spike as Little Show 23
8. Steve Austin as whining pussy 23
10. Mike Awesome "That 70s guy" 22

TOP TWO WORST GIMMICKS

Also shout out to #6 for still being relevant
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scarletspeed7
11/13/17 7:10:01 PM
#496:


Amazing how well the Hurricane ended up aging.
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Jakyl25
11/13/17 7:11:56 PM
#497:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Amazing how well the Hurricane ended up aging.


It was beloved at the time too

BEST GIMMICK
1. HURRICANE 209
2. Steve Austin "What" 84
3. Commissioner Regal 63
4. Steve Austin paranoid heel 61
5. Kurt Angle 57
6. Chris Jericho 40
7. Tajiri w/Regal 30
8. La Parka 22
9. Keiji Muto 19
10. Magnum Tokyo 18

Just very divisive
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SSJBKK20Vegito
11/13/17 7:12:07 PM
#498:


Jakyl25 posted...
Speaking of things that willl never be repeated

WORST GIMMICK
1. DDP MOTIVATIONAL SPEAKER 119
2. DDP Stalker gimmick 91
3. Hurricane 62
4. Kurt Angle geek 46
5. Perry Saturn 38
6. Shane McMahon dancing bad ass 35
7. Undertaker 29
8. Spike as Little Show 23
8. Steve Austin as whining pussy 23
10. Mike Awesome "That 70s guy" 22

TOP TWO WORST GIMMICKS

Also shout out to #6 for still being relevant


How the fuck are 1 and 2 not reversed?
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Whiskey_Nick
11/13/17 7:15:01 PM
#499:


Hurricane was cool
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DoomTheGyarados
11/13/17 7:15:42 PM
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*Sir Chris Stuns Whiskey Nick*
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