Current Events > Jim "Sterdust" Sterling takes the business of lies

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Darmik posted...

And that kids name? ZombiePelican.
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Swagnificent119 posted...

That's nice, but why not come up with a real rebuttal that isn't just attacking me or Jim based entirely around false pretenses?
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ZombiePelican posted...

Swagnificent119 posted...

That's nice, but why not come up with a real rebuttal that isn't just attacking me or Jim based entirely around false pretenses?

He says unironically after a post that is nothing but "Nuh uh! I'm not butthurt you're butthurt!"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXhqmRYoR3k
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it really is amusing how much zombie resembles an average /v/ shitposter
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Darmik posted...
So a shitty literally who developer is assshurt people want more transparency in the industry and he's butthurt because shady bullshit would be harder to get away with otherwise, why am I not surprised it's you of all users defending something that benefits corporations over consumers?
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ZombiePelican posted...

So a s***ty literally who developer is assshurt people want more transparency

Holy Shit He's Gonna Blow a Gasket!
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Swagnificent119 posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

Swagnificent119 posted...

That's nice, but why not come up with a real rebuttal that isn't just attacking me or Jim based entirely around false pretenses?

He says unironically after a post that is nothing but "Nuh uh! I'm not butthurt you're butthurt!"

How do you want me respond when all you do is just fling shit without presenting an actual arguement?
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50Blessings posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

So a s***ty literally who developer is assshurt people want more transparency

Holy Shit He's Gonna Blow a Gasket!

Lol what?
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ZombiePelican posted...

How do you want me respond when all you do is just fling s*** without presenting an actual arguement?

He says unironically after flinging shit without presenting an actual argument.
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Darmik posted...

Twitter really is not a good platform for long winded rants.
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ZombiePelican posted...

Darmik posted...
So a shitty literally who developer is assshurt people want more transparency in the industry and he's butthurt because shady bullshit would be harder to get away with otherwise, why am I not surprised it's you of all users defending something that benefits corporations over consumers?

Read Blood, Sweat 'n' Pixels if you think his point is bullshit. I don't think you understand how unstable game development actually is.
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ZombiePelican posted...

Lol what?

Your word usage and grammar is falling apart. It's as if you're frothing at the mouth you're so upset that a developer would even dare question the toxic shitty paradoxical behavior of gamers.

It's even funnier because that apparently went past an edit.
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transparency is good and all, but you should be more honest and not call people stating their views 'literally who' while also constantly sharing a youtuber's views
their name and degree of diffusion adds nothing to their points
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Darmik posted...

. I don't think you understand how unstable game development actually is.

I understand more than you, which is why more transparency is needed. Otherwise we have people like that literally who dev bitching about how he won't be able to pull shady stunts as easy with a more transparent industry

50Blessings posted...

Your word usage and grammar is falling apart.

Lol no it isn't. You're reaching pretty hard again

50Blessings posted...

It's as if you're frothing at the mouth you're so upset that a developer would even dare question the toxic shitty paradoxical behavior of gamers.

Except that's not what he's doing. He's spouting off nonsense that's irrelevant to the topic he's ranting about.

Going "Game development is haaaaaaaard" and "You just don't understand " over and over isn't a good excuse for the shady bullshit people in this industry have no problems doing and is certainly not a good excuse for the lack of transparency in this industry

prettyprincess posted...

, but you should be more honest

I am honest, when the fuck have I not been honest?

prettyprincess posted...

not call people stating their views 'literally who'

If he was an actual relevant person in this industry, I wouldn't have said "literally who" but as it stands he's a literally who that nobody knows or cares about bitching that gamers are bad becausea few armchair experts keep giving him shit

Fact: If you're a game dev and against industry transparency, you're pulling some kind of shady stunt and you don't want to be found out. Otherwise there'd be no reason to be against it.

prettyprincess posted...

who' while also constantly sharing a youtuber's views

Jim has more clout than your average Youtuber is what you fail to understand. YT hasn't always been his main form of income until just a couple years ago, before that he worked for Destructoid and the The Escapist writing articles and reviewing games.

Now you should really stop shilling a group of people who have shown they'll lie through their teeth straight to your face as long as you fall for their ploys or buy their shit, it makes you look bad
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Fat bastard.
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This topic is embarrassing
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chukklez17dc posted...

This topic is embarrassing

I know right? It's embarrassing watching consumers immediatly rush to the protection of their beloved corporations
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Developers have been lying since games have been sold commercially. This also isn't unique to gaming either.

Next week, Jim tells us the sky is blue while dressed as a fat cloud.
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l Dudeboy l posted...

Developers have been lying since games have been sold commercially. This also isn't unique to gaming either.

And this justifies all the lies and deception how exactly?
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That Twitter rant is 100% right.
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ZombiePelican posted...

l Dudeboy l posted...

Developers have been lying since games have been sold commercially. This also isn't unique to gaming either.

And this justifies all the lies and deception how exactly?

Well, if you want to take on every business that currently advertises, good luck.
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That_Happened posted...

That Twitter rant is 100% right.

Not even remotely close.

Going "Game development is haaaaaaaard" and "You just don't understand " over and over isn't a good excuse for the shady bullshit people in this industry have no problems doing and is certainly not a good excuse for the lack of transparency in this industry

l Dudeboy l posted...

Well, if you want to take on every business that currently advertises, good luck.

You're blatantly missing the point. It's not that people in the industry lie. It's that they have no problem telling bold faced lies as much as possible for the stupidest reasons to the point to where truth and lies are muddled together and this is just unacceptable
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ZombiePelican posted...

You're blatantly missing the point. It's not that people in the industry lie. It's that they have no problem telling bold faced lies as much as possible for the stupidest reasons to the point to where truth and lies are muddled together and this is just unacceptable

So the problem is that you don't want to have to discern fact from fiction yourself?
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Swagnificent119 posted...

Why does this matter at all?

It doesn't... That's why it matters.

Who cares if some journalist found out about your PSPGo announcement a few weeks early?

And yet, you choose to lie. You choose to call the journalist a liar for absolutely no advantage whatsoever. If you lie for nothing, why wouldn't you lie for profit?
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l Dudeboy l posted...

Developers have been lying since games have been sold commercially.

People have been cheating on their loved one since exclusive relationships were a thing. People have been stealing since ownership was a thing. People have been hurting and killing each other since living was a thing.

So?
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l Dudeboy l posted...

So the problem is that you don't want to have to discern fact from fiction yourself?

Now you're being disingenuous for the sake of being a contrarian troll and that's no cool.

I have no problem discerning fact from bs however and so do you I'm sure however normal less dedicated and informed people are more likely to take that bs at face value and get screwed over in the process which is again, not cool or acceptable
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The people who are dumb enough to be "tricked" when developers downgrade a games graphics are the same people who don't care that they were downgraded.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

The people who are dumb enough to be "tricked" when developers downgrade a games graphics are the same people who don't care that they were downgraded.

This. It's outrage on behalf of others. The only ones that care are the people it doesn't negatively impact.
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ZombiePelican posted...

50Blessings posted...

ZombiePelican posted...

When you ply your trade entirely on trust

lol wut?

Since when has gaming been entirely about trust?

When preorder culture became the norm, publishers and developers expect us to trust them enough plop down a wad of cash months or even years ahead of a game's release yet they've shown to be so utterly untrustworthy when it comes pre release promotional material for a game

so stop preordering games TC. There's that was simple.
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ZombiePelican posted...

Now you should really stop shilling a *silly caricature*

thank goodness I hadn't and you continued with your non-point namecalling for lack of being able to justify it or address that

their name and degree of diffusion adds nothing to their points

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Okay, getting serious for a minute here.

These topics are stupid as fuck, Zombie Pelican. You and Jim Sterling are telling people shit they already know. The people that don't know this shit aren't listening and they wouldn't care anyways.

Video Gaming, especially AAA video gaming, is a fucking business. So of course the bottom line is going to come first.

You want the gamer and the art and everything else to come first? Stick to the indies. That's the closest you're going to get.
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

The people who are dumb enough to be "tricked" when developers downgrade a games graphics are the same people who don't care that they were downgraded.

So does lying not matter because it doesn't affect you or so you think marketing spends money making shit games look better just for the giggles and not to improve their sales?
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

The people who are dumb enough to be "tricked" when developers downgrade a games graphics are the same people who don't care that they were downgraded.

If this were true we wouldn't be talking about them years after release.

prettyprincess posted...

thank goodness I hadn't and you continued with your non-point namecalling for lack of being able to justify it or address that

I did make a point, you just decided to handwave it and tried to deflect which I'm not allowing.

So come up with a real rebuttal of gtfo

50Blessings posted...

Video Gaming, especially AAA video gaming, is a fucking business.

For the hundredth time, this is justifies fucking NOTHING. Where does it say in business school that you HAVE to fuck over consumers as much as humanly possible. It doesn't.

I am sick of deluded corporate thralls like yourself sticking their neck out for companies who view you as nothing more than a cow full of money to be milked dry.

50Blessings posted...

So of course the bottom line is going to come first.

Too bad this isn't just about the bottom line. It's about sucking up as much cash in the most cynical and anti consumer ways possible. If it was just about the bottom line we wouldn't have Take Two's CEO saying netting billions of dollars from a single game release isn't good enough and that they NEED to push microtransactions harder

You can be the perfect corporate lapdog all you like but people like Jim and myself demand quality and refuse to invent excuses to make multibillion dollar corporations pretending to be paupers look good

50Blessings posted...

You want the gamer and the art and everything else to come first? Stick to the indies. That's the closest you're going to get.

The indie scene is now picking up bullshit tactics from the AAA space, PUBG is getting lootboxes, Ark got an expansion when it was still in early access, and We Happy Few has doubled it's asking price, added a season pass and got a collector's edition with NO game.

Your point is moot when greed is in play AAA or indie regardless, so I and everyone here on CE would appreciate of you stop being such a blatant shill, it's embarassing
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ZombiePelican posted...

I did make a point, you just decided to handwave it and tried to deflect which I'm not allowing.

So come up with a real rebuttal of gtfo

there was nothing to rebut, you responded to my point (that their name and degree of diffusion adds nothing to their points, and thus that focusing on those aspects diminishes your own point) by reaffirming nobody cares about one of them, more people care about the other, and then even introducing a third group (armchair experts) to disassociate yourself from, rather than address the perspective for what it is

your points would be more salient if you didn't rely so heavily on image and misrepresentation
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DHIqUkmj-o
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Look, Nintendo Power had "Earthbound 64" in its "coming soon" section for ages and it ended up being a GBA game never released outside of Japan.

I feel lied to and violated.

And what about that Spider chase sequence from the original Twilight Princess trailer? That wasn't in the game!

And what the fuck about Banjo Tooie promising "Banjo Threeie"?

Developers are evil!
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OMG Remember in GTA III when Ray said "See you in Miami"

But we didn't go to Miami! We went to Vice City! And it was in the 80's!

REEEEE! FUCKING BAMBOOZLED AGAIN!!
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prettyprincess posted...

your points would be more salient if you didn't rely so heavily on image and misrepresentation

I'm not misrepresenting shit. I know for a fucking fact without going to Google you couldn't tell me a single game he worked on. So calling him a literally who isn't misrepresenting him at all

And even subtracting that from the argument as I've already stated his arguments hold no weight or validity for being against more transparency in the industry. Because unless you're trying to pull something shady you should have no problems with added outside scrutiny

Because all he does is keep saying "Game development is haaaaaaard" and " you just don't understand" and none of those are valid arguments to begin with.

But nice defection attempt again
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I think the reasons devs don't want to be more transparent is because they don't want any more death threats and harassment because they didn't make a game specifically how someone wanted it, or for decisions that are above their head.
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l Dudeboy l posted...

think the reasons devs don't want to be more transparent is because they don't want any more death threats and harassment

I'm sorry but people saying mean things that hurt your feelings is not even remotely close to being able to justify the level of unnecessary cloak and dagger bullshit that goes on in this industry and that allows devs and publishers to continually lie through their teeth to our faces and often times don't get exposed until the game is in the hands of fucking consumers

l Dudeboy l posted...

because they didn't make a game specifically how someone wanted it, or for decisions that are above their head.

If the industry was more transparent more people would know the decision came from up above and then publishers wouldn't be able to use the devs as patsies for their insidious schemes

I'll say it again industry transparency is a good thing unless you're trying to pull something shady
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ZombiePelican posted...

I'm sorry but people saying mean things that hurt your feelings is not even remotely close to being able to justify the level of unnecessary cloak and dagger bullshit that goes on in this industry and that allows devs and publishers to continually lie through their teeth to our faces and often times don't get exposed until the game is in the hands of fucking consumers

Death threats are not even close to justification for a video game not being how you like it.

ZombiePelican posted...

If the industry was more transparent more people would know the decision came from up above and then publishers wouldn't be able to use the devs as patsies for their insidious schemes

That'll never work. Dev says something is x person's fault. Person x receives death threats. Dev gets fired for throwing colleague/superior under the bus.
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It's circular logic. Devs won't be more transparent because they don't want to deal with toxic gamers.

Games are toxic because they don't trust devs and want them to be more transparent.

It'll never end until one group relents, and it's easy to work out that the group that justifies making death threats is the one that needs to back off first.
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l Dudeboy l posted...

Devs won't be more transparent because they don't want to deal with toxic gamers.

Devs claim that's true... Why do you believe them?

Do think gamers would be toxic over knowing Beyond Good and Evil 2 was going to be at E3 ahead of time? No? Then you accept they lie even when toxic gamers aren't a problem.
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The Deadpool posted...

Devs claim that's true... Why do you believe them?

Because I use Twitter and I see what happens on there when people get news they don't like.
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it's not defecting to choose to instead talk about an aspect of your conversation that you don't care to acknowledge
my first words were that transparency is good

I'd rather point out your continued misrepresentation in silly caricatures like:

all he does is keep saying "Game development is haaaaaaard" and " you just don't understand" and none of those are valid arguments to begin with

of course they aren't valid
you said them, not he
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I literally stopped believing everything out of publishers/devs mouths ever since Driv3r.
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Jim "Snowflake" Sterling
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No but seriously, @ZombiePelican , if we're to demand "transparency" from developers then one needs to define "transparency".

What information about individual development processes should be public? At which point should developers have to disclose what information? In which part of that process should developers not be allowed to "downgrade" from what was previously shown.

Because tbh, the more transparent they are in the early development stages, the greater the difference will be from the finished product.
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