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ZombiePelican
10/16/17 1:51:21 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKrlvXZ44Vo


Jim is right, these companies have shown they'll say literally anything it it gets consumers to preorder their garbage and that nothing said by a developer or publisher should ever be taken at face value
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CocteauQuintplt
10/16/17 1:51:50 PM
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Error1355
10/16/17 1:51:52 PM
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oh god that's what he did with the spandex isn't it
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Tmaster148
10/16/17 1:51:59 PM
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Oh look it's another ZP topic parading Jim Sterling as some sort of God.
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ZombiePelican
10/16/17 1:54:17 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
Oh look it's another ZP topic parading Jim Sterling as some sort of God.

No, I'm just a fan who sometimes agrees with what he has to say
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Tmaster148
10/16/17 1:56:22 PM
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ZombiePelican posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Oh look it's another ZP topic parading Jim Sterling as some sort of God.

No, I'm just a fan who sometimes agrees with what he has to say


You just shill for whatever he says.
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DevsBro
10/16/17 1:58:23 PM
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Oh here I assumed Jim "Stardust" Sterling was the name of the actress who played Jyn Erso.
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ZombiePelican
10/16/17 6:09:40 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Oh look it's another ZP topic parading Jim Sterling as some sort of God.

No, I'm just a fan who sometimes agrees with what he has to say


You just shill for whatever he says.

There's tons of Jimquisition episodes where I completely disagree with everything he says. He's just been on a roll these last few weeks
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creativerealms
10/16/17 6:13:00 PM
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I thought he quit.
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Darmik
10/16/17 6:14:14 PM
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Is there a tl;dw version?

I see Beyond Good and Evil 2 is in the thumbnail but that game isn't gonna be out anytime soon lol
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YourDrunkFather
10/16/17 6:16:10 PM
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creativerealms posted...
I thought he quit.


He quit doing reviews so he could spend more time bitching about microtransactions and shit
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ZombiePelican
10/16/17 6:29:17 PM
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Darmik posted...
Is there a tl;dw version?

I see Beyond Good and Evil 2 is in the thumbnail but that game isn't gonna be out anytime soon lol

It's about how devs and publishers have no problem telling as many lies as possible and how the industry is built around lies

Beyond Good and Evil 2 is in the thumbnail is because of how the director denied it's existence all the way up to E3 even when it had been leaked for weeks at that point
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0AbsoluteZero0
10/16/17 6:37:04 PM
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ZombiePelican posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Oh look it's another ZP topic parading Jim Sterling as some sort of God.

No, I'm just a fan who sometimes agrees with what he has to say


You just shill for whatever he says.

There's tons of Jimquisition episodes where I completely disagree with everything he says. He's just been on a roll these last few weeks

Stop kidding yourself ZP, smh
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50Blessings
10/16/17 6:38:42 PM
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Like, he has a point but the longer he takes to make it the dumber and dumber it sounds.

I like how he called out Kojima for being a fucking hack, though.
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50Blessings
10/16/17 6:41:11 PM
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Darmik posted...
Is there a tl;dw version?


He's upset when Publishers/Developers/Games People "lie"

His big deal is that they make journalists look bad when they report on leaks and the publishers deny everything until the point where they are ready to reveal everything.

He also makes a big deal about games that get downgrades without the developers/publishers making it known that they were downgraded.

Also calls Kojima out on all his stupid bullshit throughout the years.
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D-Lo_BrownTown
10/16/17 6:43:18 PM
#17:


Darmik posted...
Is there a tl;dw version?


He's still upset that they denied Beyond Good and Evil 2 was a thing and caused game journalists who reported on it to look bad.

He's still upset that Aliens: Colonial Marines and Watch_Dogs didn't look as good as their pre-release footage.

He's still upset that Kojima made a big dog and pony show out of everything he's done since MGS2.

Because of all this he cannot trust what people in the games business say.

That's pretty much it. I might have forgotten one. I saw it like 5 hours ago.
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Vyrulisse
10/16/17 6:43:39 PM
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Sorta related but Amiel Du H'ardcore is literally the greatest character he's thought of and is pure kino.
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Swagnificent119
10/16/17 6:45:47 PM
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I honestly don't know if it's more pathetic that Jim Sterling can't let Colonial Marines go, or that Randy Pitchford can't let it go.
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Darmik
10/16/17 6:46:05 PM
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
Darmik posted...
Is there a tl;dw version?


He's still upset that they denied Beyond Good and Evil 2 was a thing and caused game journalists who reported on it to look bad.

He's still upset that Aliens: Colonial Marines and Watch_Dogs didn't look as good as their pre-release footage.

He's still upset that Kojima made a big dog and pony show out of everything he's done since MGS2.

Because of all this he cannot trust what people in the games business say.

That's pretty much it. I might have forgotten one. I saw it like 5 hours ago.


Ah fair enough. I don't have an issue with publishers/developers denying leaks. The rest is fair enough.

Games do often get downgraded during development though. I think people need to accept that or devs will need to wait a lot longer to announce or show off their game. Watch Dogs specifically is an interesting example since that was shown off before the PS4/Xbox One were even announced.
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ZombiePelican
10/16/17 6:47:08 PM
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0AbsoluteZero0 posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
Oh look it's another ZP topic parading Jim Sterling as some sort of God.

No, I'm just a fan who sometimes agrees with what he has to say


You just shill for whatever he says.

There's tons of Jimquisition episodes where I completely disagree with everything he says. He's just been on a roll these last few weeks

Stop kidding yourself ZP, smh

Who the fuck are you again? I've said time and time again that when Jim talks about social issues I can't take him seriously

Here are some episodes where I can't take what he says seriously and disagree completely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5vIAJqu8gM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUDgmhK1qSA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVh02UDiKao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZV5TCh8H6o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR9UMgOFeLw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iq68ci3NeKI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UmEmWIG8eo

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CocteauQuintplt
10/16/17 6:47:59 PM
#22:


D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
Darmik posted...
Is there a tl;dw version?


He's still upset that they denied Beyond Good and Evil 2 was a thing and caused game journalists who reported on it to look bad.

He's still upset that Aliens: Colonial Marines and Watch_Dogs didn't look as good as their pre-release footage.

He's still upset that Kojima made a big dog and pony show out of everything he's done since MGS2.

Because of all this he cannot trust what people in the games business say.

That's pretty much it. I might have forgotten one. I saw it like 5 hours ago.


Does he ever talk about good games?
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D-Lo_BrownTown
10/16/17 6:49:07 PM
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Darmik posted...
Games do often get downgraded during development though. I think people need to accept that or devs will need to wait a lot longer to announce or show off their game.


This is the only issue I really have with the video. He makes it sound like it's a super big fucking deal when games don't come out exactly like their pre-release footage, but this happens for every single game.

While I would say that Watch Dogs deserved bashing for how much it promoted itself as the "first next gen game" and all hiding away they did for the good graphics on PC version, the fact that he is *still* complaining about Aliens as if everyone just sort of gave it a pass and acting like this practice in general is something that is a big problem in the games industry is a joke.
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ZombiePelican
10/16/17 7:03:20 PM
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
He makes it sound like it's a super big fucking deal when games don't come out exactly like their pre-release footage,

Because it fucking IS. When we have no indication of a downgrade until the game in in people's hands, that's deceitful and manipulative bullshit that is unacceptable and the publisher/developer must be held responsible for it

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
but this happens for every single game.

How to spot someone who's only been playing videogames for 6 months

No, every single game is not downgraded unless you're specifically talking about Ubisoft. Most games this gen have come out looking just as good if not better than their reveal trailers

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
the fact that he is *still* complaining about Aliens as if everyone just sort of gave it a pass and acts like this practice in general is something that is a big problem in the games industry is a joke

Because that charlatan Randy Pitchford makes a big deal out of it still and it's STILL one of the biggest and most blatant examples of showing how this industry is built entirely on lies and how the companies running things have no problem lying through their teeth if it means they net another nickel or get to have their surprise reveal
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D-Lo_BrownTown
10/16/17 7:05:12 PM
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ZombiePelican posted...
Most games this gen have come out looking just as good if not better than their reveal trailers


ZombiePelican posted...
this industry is built entirely on lies and how the companies running things have no problem lying through their teeth


So which is it?
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Swagnificent119
10/16/17 7:06:34 PM
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Imagine hating an industry so much yet still supporting it with all your hard earned money.

Never change, ZP.
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ZombiePelican
10/16/17 7:07:59 PM
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
So which is it?

You're taking two of my statements out of context and putting them next to each other so as to seems witty and intelligent but that's not how that works.

Come talk to me when you've been playing videogames for longer than 6 months.
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0AbsoluteZero0
10/16/17 7:08:09 PM
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
Most games this gen have come out looking just as good if not better than their reveal trailers


ZombiePelican posted...
this industry is built entirely on lies and how the companies running things have no problem lying through their teeth


So which is it?

Careful, you might make ZP's head explode, pointing out his ridiculously inconsistent positions like that
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CocteauQuintplt
10/16/17 7:08:13 PM
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I heard ZombiePelican bought some DLC last night. Cosmetics, too. What game was it for ZP?
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Darmik
10/16/17 7:08:42 PM
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ZombiePelican posted...
No, every single game is not downgraded unless you're specifically talking about Ubisoft. Most games this gen have come out looking just as good if not better than their reveal trailers


Read Blood, Sweat 'n' Pixels. Every AAA game is downgraded in some way. The difference is that sometimes the downgrades are shown off in E3 demos and sometimes they are never revealed to the public. Even then I can't think of the last time they did this. Watch Dogs came out over 3 years ago now and it was a cross gen game announced before the PS4/Xbox One. It should be obvious that this game had a more turbulent development cycle than most. Dragon Age Inquisition and Witcher 3 were hit by the same thing.

ZombiePelican posted...
Because it f***ing IS. When we have no indication of a downgrade until the game in in people's hands, that's deceitful and manipulative bulls*** that is unacceptable and the publisher/developer must be held responsible for it


What? It was known before release that Watch Dogs was downgraded. It was a big deal at the time.
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ZombiePelican
10/16/17 7:10:12 PM
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Swagnificent119 posted...
Imagine hating an industry so much yet still supporting it with all your hard earned money.

Never change, ZP.

Jim actually did a video about this years ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHgHS2uUcac


tl;dw: You can still love gaming while hating those who take it and ruin it to try and satisfy their own greed
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hockeybub89
10/16/17 7:10:34 PM
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He makes some points, but what is wrong with developers announcing games on their terms?
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D-Lo_BrownTown
10/16/17 7:10:44 PM
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ZombiePelican posted...
You're taking two of my statements out of context and putting them next to each other so as to seems witty and intelligent but that's not how that works.

Come talk to me when you've been playing videogames for longer than 6 months.


No, for real jackass. Which is it. The entire game industry lies all the fucking time, or that they don't?

If you honestly think every game doesn't go through a downgrade or some kind of change at some point in development I really don't think you have any right to say I'm the one who has only been gaming for 6 months.

Come back when you actually have some fucking experience working on a game, fucko.
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Swagnificent119
10/16/17 7:13:01 PM
#34:


ZombiePelican posted...
Jim actually did a video about this years ago

tl;dw: You can still love gaming while hating those who take it and ruin it to try and satisfy their own greed


Do you have any thoughts of your own? Or do you just let him do all your thinking for you?
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ZombiePelican
10/16/17 7:13:58 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
He makes some points, but what is wrong with developers announcing games on their terms?

Because even when faced with overwhelming evidence about a certain project exists the industry will still deny it no matter who they make look stupid and the fact they'd so blatantly lie erodes believability of their words
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prettyprincess
10/16/17 7:14:46 PM
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I was curious about this but making topics to @ people isn't my thing

ZP, what are your top 5 games oat?
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Swagnificent119
10/16/17 7:14:52 PM
#37:


ZombiePelican posted...
Because even when faced with overwhelming evidence about a certain project exists the industry will still deny it no matter who they make look stupid and the fact they'd so blatantly lie erodes believability of their words


Why does this matter at all?

Oh boo fucking hoo, some 2nd rate journalist looked bad for a week?

Who the fuck cares and how does this hurt us at all?

And I mean, you're not going to trust them no matter what so...once again, why do they care?
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ZombiePelican
10/16/17 7:14:54 PM
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Swagnificent119 posted...
Do you have any thoughts of your own? Or do you just let him do all your thinking for you?

Why are you so asshurt he has a point?
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Darmik
10/16/17 7:16:14 PM
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ZombiePelican posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
He makes some points, but what is wrong with developers announcing games on their terms?

Because even when faced with overwhelming evidence about a certain project exists the industry will still deny it no matter who they make look stupid and the fact they'd so blatantly lie erodes believability of their words


So what? That's the risk a journalist has to take. Eventually they'll be redeemed unless the game gets cancelled (which obviously would be a factor why the publisher/developer didn't want to announce the game).
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Swagnificent119
10/16/17 7:16:50 PM
#40:


ZombiePelican posted...
Why are you so asshurt he has a point?


he has no point. it's the typical Jim Sterling slinging pointless shit around to hit his video quota for the month so suckers like you keep giving him patreon money.

i'm not asshurt, I just like seeing you get all in a tizzy because for some reason you've started to live your life through jim sterling.
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ZombiePelican
10/16/17 7:18:19 PM
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Swagnificent119 posted...
Why does this matter at all?

Because it shows the industry's willingness to lie to our faces at the drop of a hat. When you ply your trade entirely on trust, it's not a smart thing to continually lie and erode that trust.

Swagnificent119 posted...
Who the fuck cares and how does this hurt us at all?

Gee, why would we care that publishers and developers have no qualms about telling blatant lies to our faces about everything and anything?
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50Blessings
10/16/17 7:19:21 PM
#42:


ZombiePelican posted...
When you ply your trade entirely on trust


lol wut?

Since when has gaming been entirely about trust?
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Darmik
10/16/17 7:21:13 PM
#43:


You can't demand developers be open about what they're working on while in the same breath complaining that the stuff they showed off 2 years before release got downgraded or removed.

It's either one or the other.
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Swagnificent119
10/16/17 7:21:44 PM
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ZombiePelican posted...
Because it shows the industry's willingness to lie to our faces at the drop of a hat. When you ply your trade entirely on trust, it's not a smart thing to continually lie and erode that trust.


It's not really a dumb thing when you're entire consumer base is made up of mindless drones that eat everything up, even when they hate your fucking guts for it.
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ZombiePelican
10/16/17 7:25:23 PM
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Swagnificent119 posted...
he has no point

So you admit you didn't watch the video?

Swagnificent119 posted...
it's the typical Jim Sterling slinging pointless shit around to hit his video quota for the month so suckers like you keep giving him patreon money

Still cementing you have no idea what you're rambling about and are only parroting whatever you hear about him from completely wrong hate circles

Swagnificent119 posted...
i'm not asshurt,

Your post says otherwise

Swagnificent119 posted...
I just like seeing you get all in a tizzy

Says the guy who rushed into this thread frothing at the mouth someone had the audacity to agree with Jim Sterling

Swagnificent119 posted...
because for some reason you've started to live your life through jim sterling.

Too bad I haven't. He makes solid points when he talks about the industry and there's nothing wrong with agreeing. You getting this anally annihilated over the fact I enjoy his work and opinions sometimes is the saddest part of all this
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prettyprincess
10/16/17 7:26:36 PM
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damn, ignored
RIP honest curiosity
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Darmik
10/16/17 7:27:30 PM
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Swagnificent119
10/16/17 7:28:43 PM
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ZombiePelican posted...
Swagnificent119 posted...
he has no point

So you admit you didn't watch the video?

Swagnificent119 posted...
it's the typical Jim Sterling slinging pointless shit around to hit his video quota for the month so suckers like you keep giving him patreon money

Still cementing you have no idea what you're rambling about and are only parroting whatever you hear about him from completely wrong hate circles

Swagnificent119 posted...
i'm not asshurt,

Your post says otherwise

Swagnificent119 posted...
I just like seeing you get all in a tizzy

Says the guy who rushed into this thread frothing at the mouth someone had the audacity to agree with Jim Sterling

Swagnificent119 posted...
because for some reason you've started to live your life through jim sterling.

Too bad I haven't. He makes solid points when he talks about the industry and there's nothing wrong with agreeing. You getting this anally annihilated over the fact I enjoy his work and opinions sometimes is the saddest part of all this


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ZombiePelican
10/16/17 7:29:06 PM
#49:


50Blessings posted...
ZombiePelican posted...
When you ply your trade entirely on trust


lol wut?

Since when has gaming been entirely about trust?

When preorder culture became the norm, publishers and developers expect us to trust them enough plop down a wad of cash months or even years ahead of a game's release yet they've shown to be so utterly untrustworthy when it comes pre release promotional material for a game
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CocteauQuintplt
10/16/17 7:31:46 PM
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God TC, just stop fucking gaming, you malcontent. Goddamn you are insufferable.
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