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WhatPoll 10/04/17 6:10:17 PM #51:	argonautweakend posted... Ive heard people accuse the anti id law crowd of thinking black people are too stupid to get IDs, which I dont think is true at all. Those who do not want Voter IDs to become law, do often do make the excuse that minorities (mostly black) cannot for whatever reason, get IDs at all, simply to gain a foothold in their flimsy argument. <cite>WhatPoll posted [p:887816912] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>argonautweakend posted...</cite> <quote> Ive heard people accuse the anti id law crowd of thinking black people are too stupid to get IDs, which I dont think is true at all. </quote> Those who do not want Voter IDs to become law, do often do make the excuse that minorities (mostly black) cannot for whatever reason, get IDs at all, simply to gain a foothold in their flimsy argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Melon_Master 10/04/17 6:10:42 PM #52:	WhatPoll posted... Melon_Master posted... By internet standards, it is.. Surely there must be more recent evidence to cite, otherwise it looks like you're cherry picking articles. You do realize, that things that are not on the internet, tend to slow down to a crawl, right? Everything's on the internet, even you. --- http://i.imgur.com/linui.png http://i.imgur.com/FiYI1.jpg PotDs UnOfficial President and Official Sheldon Cooper <cite>Melon_Master posted [p:887816937] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhatPoll posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Melon_Master posted...</cite> <quote>By internet standards, it is.. Surely there must be more recent evidence to cite, otherwise it looks like you're cherry picking articles.</quote> You do realize, that things that are not on the internet, tend to slow down to a crawl, right?</quote> Everything's on the internet, even you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
argonautweakend 10/04/17 6:13:36 PM #53:	WhatPoll posted... argonautweakend posted... Ive heard people accuse the anti id law crowd of thinking black people are too stupid to get IDs, which I dont think is true at all. Those who do not want Voter IDs to become law, do often do make the excuse that minorities (mostly black) cannot for whatever reason, get IDs at all, simply to gain a foothold in their flimsy argument. The reason is laid out in your articles: financial means. If black people on average have less financial means, there isnt anything racist about it, if its fact. But my point as i'll reiterate, I dont think ID laws are made to specifically target and disenfranchise the black vote, but rather the democrat vote, which attracts poor people of all backgrounds(and tend to vote democrat in larger number) <cite>argonautweakend posted [p:887817081] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhatPoll posted...</cite> <quote><cite>argonautweakend posted...</cite> <quote> Ive heard people accuse the anti id law crowd of thinking black people are too stupid to get IDs, which I dont think is true at all. </quote> Those who do not want Voter IDs to become law, do often do make the excuse that minorities (mostly black) cannot for whatever reason, get IDs at all, simply to gain a foothold in their flimsy argument.</quote> The reason is laid out in your articles: financial means. If black people on average have less financial means, there isnt anything racist about it, if its fact. But my point as i'll reiterate, I dont think ID laws are made to specifically target and disenfranchise the black vote, but rather the democrat vote, which attracts poor people of all backgrounds(and tend to vote democrat in larger number)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 10/04/17 6:16:49 PM #54:	argonautweakend posted... WhatPoll posted... argonautweakend posted... Ive heard people accuse the anti id law crowd of thinking black people are too stupid to get IDs, which I dont think is true at all. Those who do not want Voter IDs to become law, do often do make the excuse that minorities (mostly black) cannot for whatever reason, get IDs at all, simply to gain a foothold in their flimsy argument. The reason is laid out in your articles: financial means. If black people on average have less financial means, there isnt anything racist about it, if its fact. But my point as i'll reiterate, I dont think ID laws are made to specifically target and disenfranchise the black vote, but rather the democrat vote, which attracts poor people of all backgrounds(and tend to vote democrat in larger number) it disenfranchises people that do not have a lot of time availability, access to transportation, or financial means. ID itself may not cost a lot. When you realize you need to also have a copy of your birth certificate and other documentation (costs money to obtain), that you need to wait in an office potentially for hours to get a new ID (and miss out on wages from work or other opportunities), and that you may not be able to afford travel to a place that can issue ID (if you even have public transit to the location), you can easily see how it disenfranchises the poorest citizens. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:887817270] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>argonautweakend posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhatPoll posted...</cite> <quote><cite>argonautweakend posted...</cite> <quote> Ive heard people accuse the anti id law crowd of thinking black people are too stupid to get IDs, which I dont think is true at all. </quote> Those who do not want Voter IDs to become law, do often do make the excuse that minorities (mostly black) cannot for whatever reason, get IDs at all, simply to gain a foothold in their flimsy argument.</quote> The reason is laid out in your articles: financial means. If black people on average have less financial means, there isnt anything racist about it, if its fact. But my point as i'll reiterate, I dont think ID laws are made to specifically target and disenfranchise the black vote, but rather the democrat vote, which attracts poor people of all backgrounds(and tend to vote democrat in larger number)</quote> it disenfranchises people that do not have a lot of time availability, access to transportation, or financial means. ID itself may not cost a lot. When you realize you need to also have a copy of your birth certificate and other documentation (costs money to obtain), that you need to wait in an office potentially for hours to get a new ID (and miss out on wages from work or other opportunities), and that you may not be able to afford travel to a place that can issue ID (if you even have public transit to the location), you can easily see how it disenfranchises the poorest citizens.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClarkDuke 10/04/17 6:29:52 PM #55:	Doctor Foxx posted... argonautweakend posted... WhatPoll posted... argonautweakend posted... Ive heard people accuse the anti id law crowd of thinking black people are too stupid to get IDs, which I dont think is true at all. Those who do not want Voter IDs to become law, do often do make the excuse that minorities (mostly black) cannot for whatever reason, get IDs at all, simply to gain a foothold in their flimsy argument. The reason is laid out in your articles: financial means. If black people on average have less financial means, there isnt anything racist about it, if its fact. But my point as i'll reiterate, I dont think ID laws are made to specifically target and disenfranchise the black vote, but rather the democrat vote, which attracts poor people of all backgrounds(and tend to vote democrat in larger number) it disenfranchises people that do not have a lot of time availability, access to transportation, or financial means. ID itself may not cost a lot. When you realize you need to also have a copy of your birth certificate and other documentation (costs money to obtain), that you need to wait in an office potentially for hours to get a new ID (and miss out on wages from work or other opportunities), and that you may not be able to afford travel to a place that can issue ID (if you even have public transit to the location), you can easily see how it disenfranchises the poorest citizens. Maybe his mom can give them all rides? --- http://i.imgur.com/qL0DHFI.gif http://i.imgur.com/JL9rRLt.gif https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ <cite>ClarkDuke posted [p:887817958] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>argonautweakend posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhatPoll posted...</cite> <quote><cite>argonautweakend posted...</cite> <quote> Ive heard people accuse the anti id law crowd of thinking black people are too stupid to get IDs, which I dont think is true at all. </quote> Those who do not want Voter IDs to become law, do often do make the excuse that minorities (mostly black) cannot for whatever reason, get IDs at all, simply to gain a foothold in their flimsy argument.</quote> The reason is laid out in your articles: financial means. If black people on average have less financial means, there isnt anything racist about it, if its fact. But my point as i'll reiterate, I dont think ID laws are made to specifically target and disenfranchise the black vote, but rather the democrat vote, which attracts poor people of all backgrounds(and tend to vote democrat in larger number)</quote> it disenfranchises people that do not have a lot of time availability, access to transportation, or financial means. ID itself may not cost a lot. When you realize you need to also have a copy of your birth certificate and other documentation (costs money to obtain), that you need to wait in an office potentially for hours to get a new ID (and miss out on wages from work or other opportunities), and that you may not be able to afford travel to a place that can issue ID (if you even have public transit to the location), you can easily see how it disenfranchises the poorest citizens.</quote> Maybe his mom can give them all rides?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhatPoll 10/04/17 6:30:42 PM #56:	So, I am following sources from that ACLU article. So, one of those directly leads to a telephone survey, using census numbers from 2000, and despite the fact that those taking the survey, were not proven to be told the truth about their situation. They were asked if they were issued "government-issued photo identification", instead of using more commonly used terms like a "birth certificate" or a "driver's license", which may have skewed the results, with those being confused as to what is being asked, making the whole survey bunk. Another one claims that "voter fraud are isolated incidents". Despite the fact that during this past election, New Hampshire went to Hillary Clinton, by a 2,736 votes, despite the fact that 6,540 Massachusetts citizens went over the border and illegally voted in New Hampshire due to it being one of 15 states using Same Day Registration. http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/same-day-registration.aspx http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/7/voter-fraud-alert-over-5000-new-hampshire-presiden/ And New Hampshire is a small state, consisting of about 1,330,000 people, which means that this effect can be amplified on larger states. So, without voter ID, you are allowing mass fraud to go on, and swing entire states another way. <cite>WhatPoll posted [p:887818004] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote>So, I am following sources from that ACLU article. So, one of those directly leads to a telephone survey, using census numbers from 2000, and despite the fact that those taking the survey, were not proven to be told the truth about their situation. They were asked if they were issued "government-issued photo identification", instead of using more commonly used terms like a "birth certificate" or a "driver's license", which may have skewed the results, with those being confused as to what is being asked, making the whole survey bunk. Another one claims that "voter fraud are isolated incidents". Despite the fact that during this past election, New Hampshire went to Hillary Clinton, by a 2,736 votes, despite the fact that 6,540 Massachusetts citizens went over the border and illegally voted in New Hampshire due to it being one of 15 states using Same Day Registration. http://www.ncsl.org/research/elections-and-campaigns/same-day-registration.aspx http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/7/voter-fraud-alert-over-5000-new-hampshire-presiden/ And New Hampshire is a small state, consisting of about 1,330,000 people, which means that this effect can be amplified on larger states. So, without voter ID, you are allowing mass fraud to go on, and swing entire states another way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 10/04/17 6:31:35 PM #57:	Doctor Foxx posted... it disenfranchises people that do not have a lot of time availability, access to transportation, or financial means. ID itself may not cost a lot. When you realize you need to also have a copy of your birth certificate and other documentation (costs money to obtain), that you need to wait in an office potentially for hours to get a new ID (and miss out on wages from work or other opportunities), and that you may not be able to afford travel to a place that can issue ID (if you even have public transit to the location), you can easily see how it disenfranchises the poorest citizens. I hate to argue any point that ICOYAR might agree with, but what do you think these people do without ID's? Like, you need one to get a job, to drive, to (hopefully) get benefits, bank accounts, buy booze/tobacco, etc. Who are these people? I'm going to make a point of saying I don't necessarily agree with voter ID laws because the data is dubious, but come on. --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:887818043] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>it disenfranchises people that do not have a lot of time availability, access to transportation, or financial means. ID itself may not cost a lot. When you realize you need to also have a copy of your birth certificate and other documentation (costs money to obtain), that you need to wait in an office potentially for hours to get a new ID (and miss out on wages from work or other opportunities), and that you may not be able to afford travel to a place that can issue ID (if you even have public transit to the location), you can easily see how it disenfranchises the poorest citizens. </quote> I hate to argue any point that ICOYAR might agree with, but what do you think these people do without ID's? Like, you need one to get a job, to drive, to (hopefully) get benefits, bank accounts, buy booze/tobacco, etc. Who are these people? I'm going to make a point of saying I don't necessarily agree with voter ID laws because the data is dubious, but come on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 10/04/17 6:50:30 PM #58:	Smarkil posted... I hate to argue any point that ICOYAR might agree with, but what do you think these people do without ID's? Like, you need one to get a job, to drive, to (hopefully) get benefits, bank accounts, buy booze/tobacco, etc. Who are these people? I'm going to make a point of saying I don't necessarily agree with voter ID laws because the data is dubious, but come on. Not everyone works, drives, has a bank account, buys things that require ID, etc. These are people that may be disabled, they may be homeless, they may just have fallen through some cracks. They could be on fixed income and unable to fit the expenses into a budget. I know for a brief time I didn't have any valid photo ID (it was very expired) and had no way to obtain a new card without a substantial expense (over $100) which was just not practical for me. My name was also not on the utilities or other bills so that made it extra difficult. My broke ass status shouldn't preclude me from voting where I'm legally entitled to. You don't necessarily need valid photo ID to work by the way. I didn't have a bank account for a while either. You transfer your cheques to someone with an account or get your cheques cashed at places that will do it for you and they eat up big fees. Not that I could have voted there... But I noticed my coworkers were in a similar boat. No extra money. Impractical to get to the offices during the hours they're open. Don't have all the required documents. That stuff is not common than you think. Lots of people have previously had ID but it expired or was misplaced and the cost and process to get it again can be an undue burden for many. As mentioned by the ACLU over 11% of adults do not have photo ID. This issue disproportionately affects people that are low income and courts have ruled the requirement of photo ID to be in violation of the Voters Rights Act. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:887819065] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote>I hate to argue any point that ICOYAR might agree with, but what do you think these people do without ID's? Like, you need one to get a job, to drive, to (hopefully) get benefits, bank accounts, buy booze/tobacco, etc. Who are these people? I'm going to make a point of saying I don't necessarily agree with voter ID laws because the data is dubious, but come on.</quote> Not everyone works, drives, has a bank account, buys things that require ID, etc. These are people that may be disabled, they may be homeless, they may just have fallen through some cracks. They could be on fixed income and unable to fit the expenses into a budget. I know for a brief time I didn't have any valid photo ID (it was very expired) and had no way to obtain a new card without a substantial expense (over $100) which was just not practical for me. My name was also not on the utilities or other bills so that made it extra difficult. My broke ass status shouldn't preclude me from voting where I'm legally entitled to. You don't necessarily need valid photo ID to work by the way. I didn't have a bank account for a while either. You transfer your cheques to someone with an account or get your cheques cashed at places that will do it for you and they eat up big fees. Not that I could have voted there... But I noticed my coworkers were in a similar boat. No extra money. Impractical to get to the offices during the hours they're open. Don't have all the required documents. That stuff is not common than you think. Lots of people have previously had ID but it expired or was misplaced and the cost and process to get it again can be an undue burden for many. As mentioned by the ACLU over 11% of adults do not have photo ID. This issue disproportionately affects people that are low income and courts have ruled the requirement of photo ID to be in violation of the Voters Rights Act.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhatPoll 10/04/17 6:52:24 PM #59:	Doctor Foxx posted... As mentioned by the ACLU over 11% of adults do not have photo ID. This issue disproportionately affects people that are low income and courts have ruled the requirement of photo ID to be in violation of the Voters Rights Act. I argued that it could be skewed statistics, due to what was not able to be understood during the telephone survey (as they would not have known what exactly a "government issued photo identification" was, despite having one themselves), and even if some of the respondents may not be telling the truth. <cite>WhatPoll posted [p:887819186] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote> As mentioned by the ACLU over 11% of adults do not have photo ID. This issue disproportionately affects people that are low income and courts have ruled the requirement of photo ID to be in violation of the Voters Rights Act.</quote> I argued that it could be skewed statistics, due to what was not able to be understood during the telephone survey (as they would not have known what exactly a "government issued photo identification" was, despite having one themselves), and even if some of the respondents may not be telling the truth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 10/04/17 6:57:21 PM #60:	WhatPoll posted... Another one claims that "voter fraud are isolated incidents". Despite the fact that during this past election, New Hampshire went to Hillary Clinton, by a 2,736 votes, despite the fact that 6,540 Massachusetts citizens went over the border and illegally voted in New Hampshire due to it being one of 15 states using Same Day Registration. https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2017/02/13/the-voter-fraud-chestnut-unpealed/2XDxGkuUx7qQ12KSQP3D0O/story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/02/28/we-cant-find-any-evidence-of-voting-fraud-in-new-hampshire/?utm_term=.8bfe385ff7db https://commonwealthmagazine.org/politics/nh-voter-fraud-claims-baffle-mass-officials/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/14/fact-check-no-evidence-busing-voters-new-hampshire/97896228/ Myth has been busted and your sources are terrible. "may have registered to vote" does not mean did vote, and it turns out they didn't even register. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:887819476] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhatPoll posted...</cite> <quote>Another one claims that "voter fraud are isolated incidents". Despite the fact that during this past election, New Hampshire went to Hillary Clinton, by a 2,736 votes, despite the fact that 6,540 Massachusetts citizens went over the border and illegally voted in New Hampshire due to it being one of 15 states using Same Day Registration.</quote> https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2017/02/13/the-voter-fraud-chestnut-unpealed/2XDxGkuUx7qQ12KSQP3D0O/story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/02/28/we-cant-find-any-evidence-of-voting-fraud-in-new-hampshire/?utm_term=.8bfe385ff7db https://commonwealthmagazine.org/politics/nh-voter-fraud-claims-baffle-mass-officials/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/02/14/fact-check-no-evidence-busing-voters-new-hampshire/97896228/ Myth has been busted and your sources are terrible. "may have registered to vote" does not mean did vote, and it turns out they didn't even register.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 10/04/17 6:57:54 PM #61:	WhatPoll posted... So, one of those directly leads to a telephone survey, using census numbers from 2000, and despite the fact that those taking the survey, were not proven to be told the truth about their situation. They were asked if they were issued "government-issued photo identification", instead of using more commonly used terms like a "birth certificate" or a "driver's license", which may have skewed the results, with those being confused as to what is being asked, making the whole survey bunk. WhatPoll posted... Doctor Foxx posted... As mentioned by the ACLU over 11% of adults do not have photo ID. This issue disproportionately affects people that are low income and courts have ruled the requirement of photo ID to be in violation of the Voters Rights Act. I argued that it could be skewed statistics, due to what was not able to be understood during the telephone survey (as they would not have known what exactly a "government issued photo identification" was, despite having one themselves), and even if some of the respondents may not be telling the truth. you seem to not understand that a birth certificate is not photo ID --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:887819523] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhatPoll posted...</cite> <quote>So, one of those directly leads to a telephone survey, using census numbers from 2000, and despite the fact that those taking the survey, were not proven to be told the truth about their situation. They were asked if they were issued "government-issued photo identification", instead of using more commonly used terms like a "birth certificate" or a "driver's license", which may have skewed the results, with those being confused as to what is being asked, making the whole survey bunk.</quote> <cite>WhatPoll posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote> As mentioned by the ACLU over 11% of adults do not have photo ID. This issue disproportionately affects people that are low income and courts have ruled the requirement of photo ID to be in violation of the Voters Rights Act.</quote> I argued that it could be skewed statistics, due to what was not able to be understood during the telephone survey (as they would not have known what exactly a "government issued photo identification" was, despite having one themselves), and even if some of the respondents may not be telling the truth.</quote> you seem to not understand that a birth certificate is not photo ID</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 10/04/17 7:06:26 PM #62:	Doctor Foxx posted... Not everyone works, drives, has a bank account, buys things that require ID, etc. These are people that may be disabled, they may be homeless, they may just have fallen through some cracks. They could be on fixed income and unable to fit the expenses into a budget. Are homeless people doing a lot of voting? Don't you need to have a registered address to vote? So I guess you need to be disabled but not receiving any benefits, have never worked before, had your parents be shitbags and lose your documents from birth (or have done it yourself), and then also have no time or money to get any of the documents that you basically need to live in this country. Doctor Foxx posted... You don't necessarily need valid photo ID to work by the way. I didn't have a bank account for a while either. You transfer your cheques to someone with an account or get your cheques cashed at places that will do it for you and they eat up big fees. You absolutely need an ID to work. You have to have some form of ID to legally by hired by anyone. So unless you're getting paid under the table, which is illegal, you need an ID. Doctor Foxx posted... Not that I could have voted there... But I noticed my coworkers were in a similar boat. No extra money. Impractical to get to the offices during the hours they're open. Don't have all the required documents. That stuff is not common than you think. Lots of people have previously had ID but it expired or was misplaced and the cost and process to get it again can be an undue burden for many. As mentioned by the ACLU over 11% of adults do not have photo ID. This issue disproportionately affects people that are low income and courts have ruled the requirement of photo ID to be in violation of the Voters Rights Act. Okay, so what if it was free to get a state issued ID and you could apply online or through the mail? Is that not acceptable? --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:887819966] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>Not everyone works, drives, has a bank account, buys things that require ID, etc. These are people that may be disabled, they may be homeless, they may just have fallen through some cracks. They could be on fixed income and unable to fit the expenses into a budget. </quote> Are homeless people doing a lot of voting? Don't you need to have a registered address to vote? So I guess you need to be disabled but not receiving any benefits, have never worked before, had your parents be shitbags and lose your documents from birth (or have done it yourself), and then also have no time or money to get any of the documents that you basically need to live in this country. <cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>You don't necessarily need valid photo ID to work by the way. I didn't have a bank account for a while either. You transfer your cheques to someone with an account or get your cheques cashed at places that will do it for you and they eat up big fees. </quote> You absolutely need an ID to work. You have to have some form of ID to legally by hired by anyone. So unless you're getting paid under the table, which is illegal, you need an ID. <cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>Not that I could have voted there... But I noticed my coworkers were in a similar boat. No extra money. Impractical to get to the offices during the hours they're open. Don't have all the required documents. That stuff is not common than you think. Lots of people have previously had ID but it expired or was misplaced and the cost and process to get it again can be an undue burden for many. As mentioned by the ACLU over 11% of adults do not have photo ID. This issue disproportionately affects people that are low income and courts have ruled the requirement of photo ID to be in violation of the Voters Rights Act. </quote> Okay, so what if it was free to get a state issued ID and you could apply online or through the mail? Is that not acceptable?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhatPoll 10/04/17 7:06:47 PM #63:	Doctor Foxx posted... Myth has been busted and your sources are terrible. "may have registered to vote" does not mean did vote, and it turns out they didn't even register. Your sources either have absolutely no sources for their claiming that there is "no evidence" that out-of-staters were illegally voting in New Hampshire, due to "busses not carrying that much", even though it takes about one hour to go from most places in Massachusetts, to New Hampshire, usually by taking I-91in Western Mass. The other claim was that voter fraud "does not exist at all", despite the fact that it does exist all due to the fact that there are no voter ID laws, and people can and will vote fraudulently under dead people's names (in which perhaps millions are not removed from voter registration databases). <cite>WhatPoll posted [p:887819985] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>Myth has been busted and your sources are terrible. "may have registered to vote" does not mean did vote, and it turns out they didn't even register.</quote> Your sources either have absolutely no sources for their claiming that there is "no evidence" that out-of-staters were illegally voting in New Hampshire, due to "busses not carrying that much", even though it takes about one hour to go from most places in Massachusetts, to New Hampshire, usually by taking I-91in Western Mass. The other claim was that voter fraud "does not exist at all", despite the fact that it does exist all due to the fact that there are no voter ID laws, and people can and will vote fraudulently under dead people's names (in which perhaps millions are not removed from voter registration databases).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 10/04/17 7:11:47 PM #64:	Smarkil posted... Okay, so what if it was free to get a state issued ID and you could apply online or through the mail? Is that not acceptable? The very nature of photo ID wouldn't allow that. How could you verify the identity that way? Smarkil posted... Are homeless people doing a lot of voting? Don't you need to have a registered address to vote? So I guess you need to be disabled but not receiving any benefits, have never worked before, had your parents be shitbags and lose your documents from birth (or have done it yourself), and then also have no time or money to get any of the documents that you basically need to live in this country. Or have any one of those things happen. Life is tough. WhatPoll posted... Your sources either have absolutely no sources for their claiming that there is "no evidence" that out-of-staters were illegally voting in New Hampshire, due to "busses not carrying that much", even though it takes about one hour to go from most places in Massachusetts, to New Hampshire, usually by taking I-91in Western Mass. You can't prove a negative (prove that God isn't real), you can only support and assertion. which your links have failed to do in any fashion. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:887820272] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote>Okay, so what if it was free to get a state issued ID and you could apply online or through the mail? Is that not acceptable?</quote> The very nature of photo ID wouldn't allow that. How could you verify the identity that way? <cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote>Are homeless people doing a lot of voting? Don't you need to have a registered address to vote? So I guess you need to be disabled but not receiving any benefits, have never worked before, had your parents be shitbags and lose your documents from birth (or have done it yourself), and then also have no time or money to get any of the documents that you basically need to live in this country. </quote> Or have any one of those things happen. Life is tough. <cite>WhatPoll posted...</cite> <quote>Your sources either have absolutely no sources for their claiming that there is "no evidence" that out-of-staters were illegally voting in New Hampshire, due to "busses not carrying that much", even though it takes about one hour to go from most places in Massachusetts, to New Hampshire, usually by taking I-91in Western Mass.</quote> You can't prove a negative (prove that God isn't real), you can only support and assertion. which your links have failed to do in any fashion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 10/04/17 7:13:06 PM #65:	This topic was about Manafort, and not voter ID laws. what a diversion --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:887820355] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote>This topic was about Manafort, and not voter ID laws. what a diversion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhatPoll 10/04/17 7:15:35 PM #66:	Doctor Foxx posted... This topic was about Manafort, and not voter ID laws. what a diversion In other words, you lost the argument about voter ID, which you started in Post 11 And just in case if you try to edit it to "prove" that I am a liar... Doctor Foxx posted... WhatPoll posted... Even Obama admitted that there was no proof of Russia tampering with the election. And he hates Trump with a passion. wait so do you support Obama now or RCtheWSBC posted... yeah but what does Obummer know, he was an incompetent tyrant lol "hacking" an election is one thing. The concern at this time is a party of people in power with undisclosed debt to other nations, using the political system for their own gains. there seem to be some unscrupulous uses of advertising to manipulate voters. there were attempts to prevent people from voting by providing false polling information and imposing difficult restrictions on certain voting demographics (see all the stuff about voter ID). No one is talking about changing votes at polling stations at all another country's oligarchs having leverage is a bad thing <cite>WhatPoll posted [p:887820503] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>This topic was about Manafort, and not voter ID laws. what a diversion</quote> In other words, you lost the argument about voter ID, which you started in Post 11 And just in case if you try to edit it to "prove" that I am a liar... <cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WhatPoll posted...</cite> <quote>Even Obama admitted that there was no proof of Russia tampering with the election. And he hates Trump with a passion.</quote> wait so do you support Obama now or <cite>RCtheWSBC posted...</cite> <quote>yeah but what does Obummer know, he was an incompetent tyrant</quote> lol "hacking" an election is one thing. The concern at this time is a party of people in power with undisclosed debt to other nations, using the political system for their own gains. there seem to be some unscrupulous uses of advertising to manipulate voters. there were attempts to prevent people from voting by providing false polling information and imposing difficult restrictions on certain voting demographics (see all the stuff about voter ID). No one is talking about changing votes at polling stations at all another country's oligarchs having leverage is a bad thing</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smarkil 10/04/17 7:20:50 PM #67:	Doctor Foxx posted... The very nature of photo ID wouldn't allow that. How could you verify the identity that way? We're just in thought experiment territory here. Let's say we make it completely free for a person to be able to get their government documents like a birth certificate and you could apply online. Would that be acceptable? As I understand it, when you apply for those documents without having anything to verify your ID, you have to furnish your social security number and birthdate, as well as your parents names and info and what not. I don't see much reason that you couldn't do this remotely. So let's say you have the ability to do that, and I make it free. Is it acceptable then to require voter ID? Doctor Foxx posted... Or have any one of those things happen. Life is tough. No, it's really not just one of those things that needs to happen. You have to have a confluence of almost every single one of those things to happen otherwise I think they're just not putting any effort into it. And honestly, if you don't wanna put any effort into voting then you might as well not vote. --- "We're not even close" - Romans building Rome at the end of Day 1 <cite>Smarkil posted [p:887820827] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>The very nature of photo ID wouldn't allow that. How could you verify the identity that way? </quote> We're just in thought experiment territory here. Let's say we make it completely free for a person to be able to get their government documents like a birth certificate and you could apply online. Would that be acceptable? As I understand it, when you apply for those documents without having anything to verify your ID, you have to furnish your social security number and birthdate, as well as your parents names and info and what not. I don't see much reason that you couldn't do this remotely. So let's say you have the ability to do that, and I make it free. Is it acceptable then to require voter ID? <cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote> Or have any one of those things happen. Life is tough.</quote> No, it's really not just one of those things that needs to happen. You have to have a confluence of almost every single one of those things to happen otherwise I think they're just not putting any effort into it. And honestly, if you don't wanna put any effort into voting then you might as well not vote.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 10/04/17 7:28:11 PM #68:	WhatPoll posted... In other words, you lost the argument about voter ID, which you started in Post 11 And just in case if you try to edit it to "prove" that I am a liar... You've argued why you feel voter ID requirements are necessary, while the courts have ruled in why these requirements are unconstitutional and discriminatory. I'm going to side with people that have expertise and the legal background to understand these things. The mention of voter ID was part of the issues with the past election. Again, still about manafort. Smarkil posted... So let's say you have the ability to do that, and I make it free. Is it acceptable then to require voter ID? That would be great in theory but unfortunately it's not implemented. Smarkil posted... No, it's really not just one of those things that needs to happen. You have to have a confluence of almost every single one of those things to happen otherwise I think they're just not putting any effort into it. And honestly, if you don't wanna put any effort into voting then you might as well not vote. Being lazy itself is not something that disqualifies a US citizen from being eligible to vote. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:887821285] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhatPoll posted...</cite> <quote>In other words, you lost the argument about voter ID, which you started in Post 11 And just in case if you try to edit it to "prove" that I am a liar...</quote> You've argued why you feel voter ID requirements are necessary, while the courts have ruled in why these requirements are unconstitutional and discriminatory. I'm going to side with people that have expertise and the legal background to understand these things. The mention of voter ID was part of the issues with the past election. Again, still about manafort. <cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote>So let's say you have the ability to do that, and I make it free. Is it acceptable then to require voter ID?</quote> That would be great in theory but unfortunately it's not implemented. <cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote>No, it's really not just one of those things that needs to happen. You have to have a confluence of almost every single one of those things to happen otherwise I think they're just not putting any effort into it. And honestly, if you don't wanna put any effort into voting then you might as well not vote.</quote> Being lazy itself is not something that disqualifies a US citizen from being eligible to vote. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WhatPoll 10/04/17 7:34:17 PM #69:	Doctor Foxx posted... You've argued why you feel voter ID requirements are necessary, while the courts have ruled in why these requirements are unconstitutional and discriminatory. I'm going to side with people that have expertise and the legal background to understand these things. Having "expertise" in a field does not excuse one from harboring a political agenda to push policy that would otherwise harm the integrity of our system. <cite>WhatPoll posted [p:887821627] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote> You've argued why you feel voter ID requirements are necessary, while the courts have ruled in why these requirements are unconstitutional and discriminatory. I'm going to side with people that have expertise and the legal background to understand these things.</quote> Having "expertise" in a field does not excuse one from harboring a political agenda to push policy that would otherwise harm the integrity of our system.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 10/04/17 7:36:51 PM #70:	WhatPoll posted... In other words, you lost the argument about voter ID, which you started in Post 11 And just in case if you try to edit it to "prove" that I am a liar... That's your retort? Ffs you need to sit down fam. Ya aren't a liar but ya sure af are deluded. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip http://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:887821775] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote><cite>WhatPoll posted...</cite> <quote>In other words, you lost the argument about voter ID, which you started in Post 11 And just in case if you try to edit it to "prove" that I am a liar...</quote> That's your retort? Ffs you need to sit down fam. Ya aren't a liar but ya sure af are deluded.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 10/05/17 11:56:27 PM #71:	http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/05/politics/special-counsel-russia-dossier-christopher-steele/index.html CNN has learned that the FBI and the US intelligence community last year took the Steele dossier more seriously than the agencies have publicly acknowledged. James Clapper, then the director of national intelligence, said in a January 2017 statement that the intelligence community had "not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable." The intelligence agencies, particularly the CIA, and the FBI took Steele's research seriously enough that they kept it out of a publicly-released January report on Russian meddling in the election in order to not divulge which parts of the dossier they had corroborated and how. This contrasts with attempts by President Donald Trump and some lawmakers to discredit Steele and the memos he produced. Ever since the dossier came to light in January, Trump and his allies have repeatedly insisted that it is a complete work of fiction. He told The New York Times this summer that the dossier "was totally made-up stuff." In a series of tweets earlier this year, Trump said the memos were written by a "failed spy" who had relied on "totally made-up facts by sleazebag political operatives." While the most salacious allegations in the dossier haven't been verified, its broad assertion that Russia waged a campaign to interfere in the election is now accepted as fact by the US intelligence community. CNN also reported earlier this year that US investigators have corroborated some aspects of the dossier, specifically that some of the communications among foreign nationals mentioned in the memos did actually take place. I wonder what the Steele dossier had to say about Manafort's dealings. Manafort was very quick to try and discredit it. --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:887899491] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote>http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/05/politics/special-counsel-russia-dossier-christopher-steele/index.html <quote>CNN has learned that the FBI and the US intelligence community last year took the Steele dossier more seriously than the agencies have publicly acknowledged. James Clapper, then the director of national intelligence, said in a January 2017 statement that the intelligence community had "not made any judgment that the information in this document is reliable." The intelligence agencies, particularly the CIA, and the FBI took Steele's research seriously enough that they kept it out of a publicly-released January report on Russian meddling in the election in order to not divulge which parts of the dossier they had corroborated and how. This contrasts with attempts by President Donald Trump and some lawmakers to discredit Steele and the memos he produced. Ever since the dossier came to light in January, Trump and his allies have repeatedly insisted that it is a complete work of fiction. He told The New York Times this summer that the dossier "was totally made-up stuff." In a series of tweets earlier this year, Trump said the memos were written by a "failed spy" who had relied on "totally made-up facts by sleazebag political operatives." While the most salacious allegations in the dossier haven't been verified, its broad assertion that Russia waged a campaign to interfere in the election is now accepted as fact by the US intelligence community. CNN also reported earlier this year that US investigators have corroborated some aspects of the dossier, specifically that some of the communications among foreign nationals mentioned in the memos did actually take place. </quote> I wonder what the Steele dossier had to say about Manafort's dealings. Manafort was very quick to try and discredit it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 10/09/17 8:16:21 PM #72:	Bump --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip http://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:888130309] in New Manafo... [t:75844427]...</cite> <quote>Bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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