Current Events > So, if it turns out this guy obtained his guns illegally, what are we gonna talk

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Caution999
10/03/17 2:38:24 PM
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...About?

You can make all the laws you want, but if they get them illegally, then they got them illegally. There's nothing you can do about that.
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brotrrwinner
10/03/17 2:40:29 PM
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We'll go back to Trump's latest twitter fiasco
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ThePrinceFish
10/03/17 2:41:15 PM
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Talk about shit that is tangentally related but with no real relevance to the event. Like suppressors, etc.
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Caution999
10/03/17 2:42:34 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
Talk about shit that is tangentally related but with no real relevance to the event. Like suppressors, etc.


Like Hillary? :P
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Squall28
10/03/17 2:43:37 PM
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He bought guns legally, but easily and illegally modded them afterwards
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NeoShadowhen
10/03/17 2:43:45 PM
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The extension to that argument is that if legal guns were all seized and made illegal, eventually there would be no guns to be acquired illegally.

Trickle down gun supply. Lots are owned legally, some are stolen and become illegal.
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OpheliaAdenade
10/03/17 2:44:03 PM
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if he got his guns legally, then what then?
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ThePrinceFish
10/03/17 2:45:08 PM
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OpheliaAdenade posted...
if he got his guns legally, then what then?

Then what changes to the law would have prevented the tragedy without unnecessarily curtailing the rights of law abiding citizens?

I mean shit, the dude would have passed any background check on the books.
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The Admiral
10/03/17 2:45:09 PM
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The last widespread policy to get illegal guns from citizens was Stop and Frisk.
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EmeralDragon23
10/03/17 2:45:51 PM
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Caution999 posted...
...About?

You can make all the laws you want, but if they get them illegally, then they got them illegally. There's nothing you can do about that.

Then we can address America's gun-obsessed culture, reflected in the frothing at the mouth that occurs when the boogeyman named "gun control" is mentioned.
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iPhone_7
10/03/17 2:46:49 PM
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Look into how he was able to obtain it illegally and if there's any way to further reduce the number of illegally owned guns out there.
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OpheliaAdenade
10/03/17 2:46:54 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
if he got his guns legally, then what then?

Then what changes to the law would have prevented the tragedy without unnecessarily curtailing the rights of law abiding citizens?

I mean shit, the dude would have passed any background check on the books.


ban guns that can be easily modified into semi-automatic killing machines? :u
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ThePrinceFish
10/03/17 2:47:39 PM
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OpheliaAdenade posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
if he got his guns legally, then what then?

Then what changes to the law would have prevented the tragedy without unnecessarily curtailing the rights of law abiding citizens?

I mean shit, the dude would have passed any background check on the books.


ban guns that can be easily modified into semi-automatic killing machines? :u

Thats incredibly stupid and doesn't actually change any policies. Thanks for playing.
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OpheliaAdenade
10/03/17 2:48:36 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
if he got his guns legally, then what then?

Then what changes to the law would have prevented the tragedy without unnecessarily curtailing the rights of law abiding citizens?

I mean shit, the dude would have passed any background check on the books.


ban guns that can be easily modified into semi-automatic killing machines? :u

Thats incredibly stupid and doesn't actually change any policies. Thanks for playing.


Preventing tragedies like these is stupid... :v okay...
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Caution999
10/03/17 2:49:21 PM
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The sad unfortunate reality is that you cannot prevent every disaster.
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ALIEN_WORK2HOP
10/03/17 2:50:01 PM
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illegally purchased guns were all legally purchased at one point.
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OpheliaAdenade
10/03/17 2:50:27 PM
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Caution999 posted...
The sad unfortunate reality is that you cannot prevent every disaster.


We could be doing better than we are. The other nations are showing us up.
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ThePrinceFish
10/03/17 2:51:42 PM
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OpheliaAdenade posted...
Preventing tragedies like these is stupid... :v okay...

"Well making it incredibly illegal to modify a gun didn't work. Let's make it illegal to have it altogether! That will stop the criminal this time."

Even though it won't and will just stop the tens of thousands of people who don't misuse their rifle in any way from having one.
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Caution999
10/03/17 2:54:27 PM
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OpheliaAdenade posted...
Caution999 posted...
The sad unfortunate reality is that you cannot prevent every disaster.


We could be doing better than we are. The other nations are showing us up.


No they aren't. How is England doing these days? France? Get real.

The only way to get a 100% rate of making sure nobody kills each other is to literally monitor every person in the United States with constant surveillance. Do you want that?

It doesn't mean you're wrong for looking for ways to stop this from happening again. In most cases we can do something, but in some, we cannot. Bill O Reilly wasn't wrong when he said this is one of the prices of freedom.

It's cold, but unfortunately, true.
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OpheliaAdenade
10/03/17 2:55:16 PM
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ThePrinceFish posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
Preventing tragedies like these is stupid... :v okay...

"Well making it incredibly illegal to modify a gun didn't work. Let's make it illegal to have it altogether! That will stop the criminal this time."

Even though it won't and will just stop the tens of thousands of people who don't misuse their rifle in any way from having one.


If I had to choose between saving lives and inconveniencing would be rifle-owners, I'm gonna pick the latter. :u
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ThePrinceFish
10/03/17 2:56:16 PM
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OpheliaAdenade posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
Preventing tragedies like these is stupid... :v okay...

"Well making it incredibly illegal to modify a gun didn't work. Let's make it illegal to have it altogether! That will stop the criminal this time."

Even though it won't and will just stop the tens of thousands of people who don't misuse their rifle in any way from having one.


If I had to choose between saving lives and inconveniencing would be rifle-owners, I'm gonna pick the latter. :u

It's a good thing you don't have to pick because it wouldn't save lives in anywhere but your fantasies :u
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thrashmetal14
10/03/17 3:27:28 PM
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Imagine wanting to take law-abiding citizen's right to defend themselves away from them because of the actions of a criminal.
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SOLID_SNAPE
10/03/17 3:28:46 PM
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Guns are tools of murder
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Caution999
10/03/17 3:31:26 PM
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thrashmetal14 posted...
Imagine wanting to take law-abiding citizen's right to defend themselves away from them because of the actions of a criminal.


Exactly.

People have to realize this is one of the sad realities of living in an imperfect world. Fact of the matter is we don't live in heaven, folks.
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Balrog0
10/03/17 3:34:53 PM
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Caution999 posted...
No they aren't. How is England doing these days? France? Get real.


France has a homicide rate about 1/5 of ours, and a much lower gun crime rate

so we should be like them?
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OpheliaAdenade
10/03/17 3:37:35 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
Caution999 posted...
No they aren't. How is England doing these days? France? Get real.


France has a homicide rate about 1/5 of ours, and a much lower gun crime rate

so we should be like them?


yea, this. :v why is Europe showing us up? even with all the crazy shit going on there America still has them beat when it comes to gun violence.
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SOLID_SNAPE
10/03/17 3:38:44 PM
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The thing about guns is, they are usable for DEFENSE. I will keep guns in case the Malcontent come for me.
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mario2000
10/03/17 3:38:54 PM
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i love the conservative attitude of throwing up their hands and going "welp we can't curb gun violence might as well stop trying"

wait i don't love it, it's disgraceful and terrible
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nativengine
10/03/17 3:45:36 PM
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OpheliaAdenade posted...
ThePrinceFish posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
if he got his guns legally, then what then?

Then what changes to the law would have prevented the tragedy without unnecessarily curtailing the rights of law abiding citizens?

I mean shit, the dude would have passed any background check on the books.


ban guns that can be easily modified into semi-automatic killing machines? :u


You should inform yourself on what semi automatic is first.

Hint: it doesn't mean hold the trigger to fire multiple rounds.
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myztikrice
10/03/17 3:51:32 PM
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You know that imprisoning people for crimes doesn't stop all crimes, and the point isn't to stop all crimes, it's to disincentive them?
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ModLogic
10/03/17 3:52:13 PM
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Caution999 posted...
The sad unfortunate reality is that you cannot prevent every disaster.

henxe why ice and heroin should be legalized, mass produced and sold at every store check out like gum
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FL81
10/03/17 3:52:37 PM
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Tmaster148
10/03/17 3:56:45 PM
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myztikrice posted...
You know that imprisoning people for crimes doesn't stop all crimes, and the point isn't to stop all crimes, it's to disincentive them?


The US isn't even doing a good job disincentivizing crime.
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