Current Events > White men have committed more mass shootings than any other group

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apocalyptic_4 posted...

Pointing out how these kind of topics are made here all the time about other minority groups and CE goes along with it but when it's directed the opposite way all of sudden you get the opposite reaction.

yeah its pretty funny. I'm actually surprised this topic is still here tbh
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I'm just glad the statistics for white women are really good. :o I wouldn't hurt a fly, I promise. White men though... the statistics don't lie. It seems like they're more inclined to go unhinged than any of the other races, and that scares me.
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OpheliaAdenade posted...

I'm just glad the statistics for white women are really good. :o I wouldn't hurt a fly, I promise. White men though... the statistics don't lie. It seems like they're more inclined to go unhinged than any of the other races, and that scares me.

@OpheliaAdenade

What are you scared of? White men are more likely to defend you as a white woman at all costs than to hurt you.

You as a modern white woman live in luxury compared to everyone else.
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

OpheliaAdenade posted...

I'm just glad the statistics for white women are really good. :o I wouldn't hurt a fly, I promise. White men though... the statistics don't lie. It seems like they're more inclined to go unhinged than any of the other races, and that scares me.

@OpheliaAdenade

What are you scared of? White men are more likely to defend you as a white woman at all costs than to hurt you.

You as a modern white woman live in luxury compared to everyone else.

You make a good point. They'd probably throw themselves in front of me. Especially if I told them I'm a virgin. :v
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Mr_MacPhisto posted...

I love that this topic's obvious purpose is to troll CE and stir up resentment and blame towards whites.

I think you missed the point.

the_cajun88 posted...

How about not being racist at all?

It's not about what race the shooters were, some people were fucking shot.

People care more about the race of the person shooting than the well being of the victims.

In case it isn't clear, the topic is highlighting the fact that people are inclined to point out a mass shooter's religion or race when they're Muslim or Middle Eastern and make it a focal point of discussion, despite the fact that more incidents of mass shootings and domestic terrorism are perpetrated by white men who are usually right wing people.

http://www.newsweek.com/right-wing-extremism-islamist-terrorism-donald-trump-steve-bannon-628381

It's dishonest to handwave this suggestion even if it is provocative.
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Its time to start profiling, as Admiral would say
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Kineth posted...

Mr_MacPhisto posted...

I love that this topic's obvious purpose is to troll CE and stir up resentment and blame towards whites.

I think you missed the point.

the_cajun88 posted...

How about not being racist at all?

It's not about what race the shooters were, some people were fucking shot.

People care more about the race of the person shooting than the well being of the victims.

In case it isn't clear, the topic is highlighting the fact that people are inclined to point out a mass shooter's religion or race when they're Muslim or Middle Eastern and make it a focal point of discussion, despite the fact that more incidents of mass shootings and domestic terrorism are perpetrated by white men who are usually right wing people.

http://www.newsweek.com/right-wing-extremism-islamist-terrorism-donald-trump-steve-bannon-628381

It's dishonest to handwave this suggestion even if it is provocative.

What are you talking about? Whenever I hear stories about Islamic violence, it's always refering to the attackers religion not race.
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Kineth posted...

Mr_MacPhisto posted...

I love that this topic's obvious purpose is to troll CE and stir up resentment and blame towards whites.

I think you missed the point.

the_cajun88 posted...

How about not being racist at all?

It's not about what race the shooters were, some people were fucking shot.

People care more about the race of the person shooting than the well being of the victims.

In case it isn't clear, the topic is highlighting the fact that people are inclined to point out a mass shooter's religion or race when they're Muslim or Middle Eastern and make it a focal point of discussion, despite the fact that more incidents of mass shootings and domestic terrorism are perpetrated by white men who are usually right wing people.

http://www.newsweek.com/right-wing-extremism-islamist-terrorism-donald-trump-steve-bannon-628381

It's dishonest to handwave this suggestion even if it is provocative.

This is false. The left has been making this about race since even before the current right wing hysteria over Muslims. They even claim that "white entitlement" is a factor in these shootings -- emphasizing race (just note the academic quoted in the article) and making it a focal point of the discussion. And as for massing shootings in the last three years, it's not even true anymore. Look at the lists I compiled. Majority of perps are brown minorities.

RACIST RACIST RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACIST Mods delete and ban this racist.

Anyways...White men have done nothing but, overwhelmingly good for this World. MAGA
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Ammonitida posted...

This is false.

lol, so there's fucking data in my post and this is how you dare bullshit me?
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Kineth posted...

Ammonitida posted...

This is false.

lol, so there's fucking data in my post and this is how you dare bullshit me?

I wasn't talking about your data. It's the implication that left's focus on race with white mass shooters is in response to the right wing focus on Islam with Muslim mass shooters. The left has long tried to associate "white privilege" or just "whiteness" with mass shootings, even those shootings that were not racially motivated. As evidenced by the academic quoted in the article.

Ammonitida posted...

Kineth posted...

Ammonitida posted...

This is false.

lol, so there's fucking data in my post and this is how you dare bullshit me?

I wasn't talking about your data. It's the implication that left's focus on race with white mass shooters is in response to the right wing focus on Islam with Muslim mass shooters. The left has long tried to associate "white privilege" or just "whiteness" with mass shootings, even those shootings that were not racially motivated. As evidenced by the academic quoted in the article.

White privilege wasn't in the public lexicon until the last.. 5, maybe 10 years and honestly, I'm just not buying what you're selling.
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So again, is one race just inherently more violent than another? Is that what we're meant to draw from these statistics?
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Kineth posted...

Ammonitida posted...

Kineth posted...

Ammonitida posted...

This is false.

lol, so there's fucking data in my post and this is how you dare bullshit me?

I wasn't talking about your data. It's the implication that left's focus on race with white mass shooters is in response to the right wing focus on Islam with Muslim mass shooters. The left has long tried to associate "white privilege" or just "whiteness" with mass shootings, even those shootings that were not racially motivated. As evidenced by the academic quoted in the article.

White privilege wasn't in the public lexicon until the last.. 5, maybe 10 years and honestly, I'm just not buying what you're selling.

So? Muslim mass shooters are a recent phenomena (mostly ISIS inspiration). The left's focus on race with white mass shooters predates that.

GregShmedley posted...

ProtoManSPx posted...

andel posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

One group commits over half of mass shootings, but I should really be worried about the group that committs 16 percent of them because it's higher than the 13 percent population they represent...ok

you don't understand how statistics work? white people are underrepresented in mass shootings while black people are overrepresented. you are trying to frame a racist attack against white people while seemingly being incapable of grasping the irony

Then why is there generally no surprise when a mass shooter happens to be white? Why is a white male the first image that most people conjure when thinking of a mass or school shooter?

Few people will generate the image of a black man or asian man opening fire on a crowd. In a neighborhood, sure maybe, but typically not in a high building raining bullets.

ITP: Racial stereotyping is ok if it's against white people.

Not what I was getting at but ok.

ProtoManSPx posted...

GregShmedley posted...

ProtoManSPx posted...

andel posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

One group commits over half of mass shootings, but I should really be worried about the group that committs 16 percent of them because it's higher than the 13 percent population they represent...ok

you don't understand how statistics work? white people are underrepresented in mass shootings while black people are overrepresented. you are trying to frame a racist attack against white people while seemingly being incapable of grasping the irony

Then why is there generally no surprise when a mass shooter happens to be white? Why is a white male the first image that most people conjure when thinking of a mass or school shooter?

Few people will generate the image of a black man or asian man opening fire on a crowd. In a neighborhood, sure maybe, but typically not in a high building raining bullets.

ITP: Racial stereotyping is ok if it's against white people.

Not what I was getting at but ok.

What are you getting at then? If black people are more likely to commit a mass shooting, which is what the TC's stats say, why are making generalizations about whites?
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myzz7 posted...

TC failed hard.

ftfy
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@The Admiral posted...

What are you getting at then? If black people are more likely to commit a mass shooting, which is what the TC's stats say, why are making generalizations about whites?

If black people are more likely to commit mass shootings, why is generally perceived as unusual if they do, when they are statistically more likely? Why is the image of a white male drawn first, when visualizing a mass shooter, when blacks are more likely?

ProtoManSPx posted...

If black people are more likely to commit mass shootings, why is generally perceived as unusual if they do, when they are statistically more likely? Why is the image of a white male drawn first, when visualizing a mass shooter, when blacks are more likely?

there are a lot more white people in the USA than people who are not white
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Look out TC! There a police officer under your bed!
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Balrog0 posted...

ProtoManSPx posted...

If black people are more likely to commit mass shootings, why is generally perceived as unusual if they do, when they are statistically more likely? Why is the image of a white male drawn first, when visualizing a mass shooter, when blacks are more likely?

there are a lot more white people in the USA than people who are not white

There is some disconnect between what is more likely and what has actually happened. White males have committed more, so the typical expectancy is for a mass shooter to be white upon hearing news of an incident.

ProtoManSPx posted...

There is some disconnect between what is more likely and what has actually happened.

It can both be true that black people are more likely to commit mass shootings than white people, and that white people commit most mass shootings.

For a similar instance, black people are more likely to be on some form of public assistance than white people are, but more white people are on public assistance.

The disconnect is that the two phrases refer to different statistics. It is useful to use the term per capita (or per person) the way the_admiral originally did in his rejoinder to keep these two facts distinct.

Why are you so interested in what the popular imagination conjures when someone talks about mass shootings? I don't really care about that at all.
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Ving_Rhames posted...

Its time to start profiling, as Admiral would say

Hehe
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So is it Black People or Black Men? Because statistics say White Men are over represented as well, and to determine who's more 'likely', we'd have to know if it's both genders or not.
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Balrog0 posted...

ProtoManSPx posted...

There is some disconnect between what is more likely and what has actually happened.

It can both be true that black people are more likely to commit mass shootings than white people, and that white people commit most mass shootings.

For a similar instance, black people are more likely to be on some form of public assistance than white people are, but more white people are on public assistance.

The disconnect is that the two phrases refer to different statistics. It is useful to use the term per capita (or per person) the way the_admiral originally did in his rejoinder to keep these two facts distinct.

Why are you so interested in what the popular imagination conjures when someone talks about mass shootings? I don't really care about that at all.

Because it is usually based on what has actually happened, not what is statistically more likely. What I'm getting at is, it doesn't say much to bring up that black people are statisically more likely to commit mass shootings in the face of reality and what has actually happened.

ProtoManSPx posted...

Balrog0 posted...

ProtoManSPx posted...

There is some disconnect between what is more likely and what has actually happened.

It can both be true that black people are more likely to commit mass shootings than white people, and that white people commit most mass shootings.

For a similar instance, black people are more likely to be on some form of public assistance than white people are, but more white people are on public assistance.

The disconnect is that the two phrases refer to different statistics. It is useful to use the term per capita (or per person) the way the_admiral originally did in his rejoinder to keep these two facts distinct.

Why are you so interested in what the popular imagination conjures when someone talks about mass shootings? I don't really care about that at all.

Because it is usually based on what has actually happened, not what is statistically more likely. What I'm getting at is, it doesn't say much to bring up that black people are statisically more likely to commit mass shootings in the face of reality and what has actually happened.

It's interesting you say that, the reason I used the counter-example that I did is that the popular idea about welfare recipients is that they are black, but that is not true.
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also, what has 'actually happened' is that more black people per black person have commit mass shootings than white people per white person, it's not about uncertainty (though it is a probability thing)

I really don't understand what argument you're trying to make or your rhetoric around it.

edit -- if anything it would make more sense to make a distinction between mass shootings as they are typically defined (4+ people) and the kind of mass shootings that get media attention, which are typically much higher than single digits and which are probably disproportionately white dudes
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I is smart posted...

Ammonitida posted...

I is smart posted...

FrisbeeDude posted...

CADE FOSTER posted...

apocalyptic_4 posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

"Just posting statistics bro, math doesn't lie. Wait, what's math saying about white people?"

"Statistics is ok to paint a group in a negative light unless it's about whites"

This

Except your statistics here paint whites in a better light comparatively speaking so...

No they do not. A meager overrepresentation does not look worse than 54% of perps being white.

Perhaps not by itself, but the underrepresentation of whites who make up 68% of the population combined with that overrepresentation does. Provided the 54/68% and 16/13% numbers are accurate anyway.

Seriously though how is it any surprise that a majority population group is responsible for the largest percentage of almost anything? Do they just not teach kids how statistics work in school anymore? Frisbee and other racists are soooo desperate to paint white people as a problem for this crap, when the fact is it's a statistical anomaly when white people aren't at the top of the list for any figure that goes by total number of occurences.

Yes when a mass shooting occurs it is most likely a white guy that was responsible. But according to his own article, any single white person is in fact, less likely to commit a mass shooting than any single black person.

That seems a bit petty. How about this. Does anyone find it interesting that mass shootings of this particular type only find a tiny overrepresentation of black people while other types of shootings see much greater overrepresentation? Or that while white people are vastly underrepresented as perps for domestic/gang-related shootings, they are only slightly underrepresented as mass shooters of this type?

Ammonitida posted...

That seems a bit petty. How about this. Does anyone find it interesting that mass shootings of this particular type only find a tiny overrepresentation of black people while other types of shootings see much greater overrepresentation? Or that while white people are vastly underrepresented as perps for domestic/gang-related shootings, they are only slightly underrepresented as mass shooters of this type?

yes, I do find that interesting

it's even more interesting, imo, that white men are like 74% of gun suicides, but black men are less than 5% of gun suicides.

white women are another 10% of gun suicides, so overall white people are roughly 85% of gun suicides despite being 64% of the population
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Balrog0 posted...

also, what has 'actually happened' is that more black people per black person have commit mass shootings than white people per white person, it's not about uncertainty (though it is a probability thing)

I really don't understand what argument you're trying to make or your rhetoric around it.

edit -- if anything it would make more sense to make a distinction between mass shootings as they are typically defined (4+ people) and the kind of mass shootings that get media attention, which are typically much higher than single digits and which are probably disproportionately white dudes

It's a deflection to the topic is all. The admiral and others here are all hypocrites for doing this exact same thing when minorities or foreigners commit crimes and they post statistics and such to push the narrative that the problem is exclusive to race. When a topic like this pops up that paints "whites people in a negative light you get degflections to other races.

Notice how @The_Admiral disappeared from the topic.
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apocalyptic_4 posted...

It's a deflection to the topic is all. The admiral and others here are all hypocrites for doing this exact same thing when minorities or foreigners commit crimes and they post statistics and such to push the narrative that the problem is exclusive to race. When a topic like this pops up that paints "whites people in a negative light you get degflections to other races.

Does The_Admiral do this with other things? It sounds like his MO, but I don't recall ever seeing him defending muslim bans or talking about Islam as an issue the way many other conservative posters like Mal_Fet and darkjedilink do.

Mostly I seem to see him talking about how black people commit more crimes than white people per capita, which is true even when you control for poverty. I would, and have, argued with him about how that should be interpreted in the past but I've never seen him do this.
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apocalyptic_4 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

also, what has 'actually happened' is that more black people per black person have commit mass shootings than white people per white person, it's not about uncertainty (though it is a probability thing)

I really don't understand what argument you're trying to make or your rhetoric around it.

edit -- if anything it would make more sense to make a distinction between mass shootings as they are typically defined (4+ people) and the kind of mass shootings that get media attention, which are typically much higher than single digits and which are probably disproportionately white dudes

It's a deflection to the topic is all. The admiral and others here are all hypocrites for doing this exact same thing when minorities or foreigners commit crimes and they post statistics and such to push the narrative that the problem is exclusive to race. When a topic like this pops up that paints "whites people in a negative light you get degflections to other races.

Notice how @The_Admiral disappeared from the topic.

I reduced the TC to a pile of ashes, what more was left to do? He didn't understand the statistics he was posting and made a fool of himself. You'd be wise not to follow in his footsteps.
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Balrog0 posted...

Ammonitida posted...

That seems a bit petty. How about this. Does anyone find it interesting that mass shootings of this particular type only find a tiny overrepresentation of black people while other types of shootings see much greater overrepresentation? Or that while white people are vastly underrepresented as perps for domestic/gang-related shootings, they are only slightly underrepresented as mass shooters of this type?

yes, I do find that interesting

it's even more interesting, imo, that white men are like 74% of gun suicides, but black men are less than 5% of gun suicides.

white women are another 10% of gun suicides, so overall white people are roughly 85% of gun suicides despite being 64% of the population

One of the theories I've seen that attempts to explain some of this is access to gangs. The white population is disproportionately represented in suburban and rural areas where there is more isolation and little-to-no gang formation. People who are sociopathic or have other mental issues that predispose them to perping a mass shooting will join violent gangs and get weeded out of the gene pool early -- provided of course that they live in an environment that facilitates the formation of gangs (like a densely populated inner city). But if they're living in a rural or suburban area with no access to gangs, they don't get weeded out, and sometimes become a mass shooter. Some academics have used this to explain the lack of black school shooters. I did find one example of a black mass shooter who idolized the Columbine shooters (a mall shooter that killed two people and then turned the gun on himself a few years back). He grew up in a rural area and had no friends. His journal revealed that he contemplated suicide.

that is a very interesting explanation

I'm not sure how much the rural/suburban part matters, though. White people in cities are largely insulated from gang activity, too.
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andel posted...

not sure why you are attacking admiral when he is correct about the tc's article showing that black people commit mass shootings at a higher percent than white people by percentages.

like, it doesn't matter because there isn't anything meaningful to extrapolate by looking at stats like this but tc tried to do the opposite of admiral and made a fool of himself by posting data that contradicted his intended assertion.

weapon_d00d816 posted...

It absolutely boggles my mind that people overlook the blatantly racist overtones TC posted here and go straight for Admiral. Like, you can't be serious. Are you guys just trying to troll him?

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iron jojo posted...

andel posted...

not sure why you are attacking admiral when he is correct about the tc's article showing that black people commit mass shootings at a higher percent than white people by percentages.

like, it doesn't matter because there isn't anything meaningful to extrapolate by looking at stats like this but tc tried to do the opposite of admiral and made a fool of himself by posting data that contradicted his intended assertion.

weapon_d00d816 posted...

It absolutely boggles my mind that people overlook the blatantly racist overtones TC posted here and go straight for Admiral. Like, you can't be serious. Are you guys just trying to troll him?

No, @GOATTHlEF is just a dumbass and a self hating white dude, @FrisbeeDude hates white people, and @CADE_FOSTER is just a joke account.

The usual suspects are actually serious when it comes to this shit. Frisbee does even worse shit than Admiral does and they make excuses for him because being racist towards white people is okay in their eyes
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hurt people tend to hurt other people.
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Balrog0 posted...

it's even more interesting, imo, that white men are like 74% of gun suicides, but black men are less than 5% of gun suicides.

white women are another 10% of gun suicides, so overall white people are roughly 85% of gun suicides despite being 64% of the population

Damn, why the hell is that so high? I don't look into statistics but I would have never estimated mid 80s.
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The white suicide rate in general is twice the black suicide rate.
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PlsGodDontBanMe posted...

iron jojo posted...

andel posted...

not sure why you are attacking admiral when he is correct about the tc's article showing that black people commit mass shootings at a higher percent than white people by percentages.

like, it doesn't matter because there isn't anything meaningful to extrapolate by looking at stats like this but tc tried to do the opposite of admiral and made a fool of himself by posting data that contradicted his intended assertion.

weapon_d00d816 posted...

It absolutely boggles my mind that people overlook the blatantly racist overtones TC posted here and go straight for Admiral. Like, you can't be serious. Are you guys just trying to troll him?

No, @GOATTHlEF is just a dumbass and a self hating white dude, @FrisbeeDude hates white people, and @CADE_FOSTER is just a joke account.

The usual suspects are actually serious when it comes to this shit. Frisbee does even worse shit than Admiral does and they make excuses for him because being racist towards white people is okay in their eyes

im a joke account lol get the fuck outta here fuck boy
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Im not going to read through this topic because I know it is a shit show so im just going ask this here:

What percent of mass shooting events were committed by black men?
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Ooohh poor TC, did he post something stupid again and then ignore facts that proved him wrong. It's pretty much his MO.

@FrisbeeDude That is EXACTLY why you are worse then admiral. When Admiral is proven factually wrong, he shuts up about it or disappears. You try to continue to argue your non-existent point.
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shutting up and vanishing is only temporary, though. the same points get repeated in the next thread.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

shutting up and vanishing is only temporary, though. the same points get repeated in the next thread.

Eh, you might be right about that...

HALF the time admiral has a decent point, but I have never seen frisbeedude post anything noteworthy or reasonable...
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The Admiral posted...

apocalyptic_4 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

also, what has 'actually happened' is that more black people per black person have commit mass shootings than white people per white person, it's not about uncertainty (though it is a probability thing)

I really don't understand what argument you're trying to make or your rhetoric around it.

edit -- if anything it would make more sense to make a distinction between mass shootings as they are typically defined (4+ people) and the kind of mass shootings that get media attention, which are typically much higher than single digits and which are probably disproportionately white dudes

It's a deflection to the topic is all. The admiral and others here are all hypocrites for doing this exact same thing when minorities or foreigners commit crimes and they post statistics and such to push the narrative that the problem is exclusive to race. When a topic like this pops up that paints "whites people in a negative light you get degflections to other races.

Notice how @The_Admiral disappeared from the topic.

I reduced the TC to a pile of ashes, what more was left to do? He didn't understand the statistics he was posting and made a fool of himself. You'd be wise not to follow in his footsteps.

Your right I'll just close my account rather than suffer a debate beat down from you, a established ex mod keyboard warrior.
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The Admiral posted...

I reduced the TC to a pile of ashes, what more was left to do? He didn't understand the statistics he was posting and made a fool of himself. You'd be wise not to follow in his footsteps.

What in the actual fuck even is this lmaooooooo

Sounds like something you'd hear in a cringe anime lmao
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CADE FOSTER posted...

PlsGodDontBanMe posted...

iron jojo posted...

andel posted...

not sure why you are attacking admiral when he is correct about the tc's article showing that black people commit mass shootings at a higher percent than white people by percentages.

like, it doesn't matter because there isn't anything meaningful to extrapolate by looking at stats like this but tc tried to do the opposite of admiral and made a fool of himself by posting data that contradicted his intended assertion.

weapon_d00d816 posted...

It absolutely boggles my mind that people overlook the blatantly racist overtones TC posted here and go straight for Admiral. Like, you can't be serious. Are you guys just trying to troll him?

No, @GOATTHlEF is just a dumbass and a self hating white dude, @FrisbeeDude hates white people, and @CADE_FOSTER is just a joke account.

The usual suspects are actually serious when it comes to this shit. Frisbee does even worse shit than Admiral does and they make excuses for him because being racist towards white people is okay in their eyes

im a joke account lol get the fuck outta here fuck boy

Yeah, you kind of are.
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Samurontai posted...

The Admiral posted...

I reduced the TC to a pile of ashes, what more was left to do? He didn't understand the statistics he was posting and made a fool of himself. You'd be wise not to follow in his footsteps.

What in the actual fuck even is this lmaooooooo

Sounds like something you'd hear in a cringe anime lmao

that's that Seto Kaiba swag
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Knowledge_King posted...

So is it Black People or Black Men? Because statistics say White Men are over represented as well, and to determine who's more 'likely', we'd have to know if it's both genders or not.

This is a stupid "point" often invoked by deceptive leftists who try to make the "white male mass shooter stereotype" look worse than it is.

Almost all mass shooters are male (that goes for every race). The disproportionate amount of white male shooters to general population of both sexes is 100% due to the male factor, and zero to the race factor.

Statistically speaking, considerably more white people have died in the US than black people. This is a serious epidemic that needs to be addressed.
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