Current Events > Bully victim stabs his tormentors, killing one of them

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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/27/nyregion/high-school-stabbing-bronx.html?mcubz=1

fuck...shame it got to that point. dude fucked up his life now and he looks kinda soft for prison.

Maybe just an institution.

I have no horse in this race.
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fair next
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the shitty thing is the dialogue will be about preventing violence in schools and condemning the bullied kid, and nobody will attempt to solve the bully problem. also the dead bully's parents probably think he was a "good boy who never hurt anyone"

this is why bullying is bad.

1. it's evil to torment someone

2. you run the risk of pushing them too far and then they snap

Can't say I blame the guy who did the stabbing.
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Lesson of the day, talk shit get hit?

You don't know who you are fucking with?

Get rekt?

Bagamak posted...

the shitty thing is the dialogue will be about preventing violence in schools and condemning the bullied kid, and nobody will attempt to solve the bully problem.

Yep, go ask a hundred bullying victims how much the school helped them solve their issue. The answers will run from not much, to "completely fucking useless."
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It's tragic for all concerned, but hopefully this will open up a dialogue that spares violence in the future.
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so the 18 year old was being bullied by people younger than him huh? well then
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How do we know he was truly bullied by them?

Zeus posted...

It's tragic for all concerned, but hopefully this will open up a dialogue that spares violence in the future.

You must not be from this reality if you think there's any chance of that.
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Crazyman93 posted...

Bagamak posted...

the shitty thing is the dialogue will be about preventing violence in schools and condemning the bullied kid, and nobody will attempt to solve the bully problem.

Yep, go ask a hundred bullying victims how much the school helped them solve their issue. The answers will run from not much, to "completely fucking useless."

These. The article suggests that they're more interested in metal detectors than stopping bullying. Looks like it's not a very good school anyway. A shame for the students.
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Blame should be on the bullies parents
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I ended my bullying in 5th grade with a rock.

It was a gang of older girls that bullied me for a long time, it escalated and one day they stole a very important paper from me and kept mocking me and stuff, they surrounded me and started throwing rocks at me. I threw one back, hit the leader on the head and she started to bleed a lot, blood was everywhere, she got like 20 stiches but was fine. I thought I killed her, I was so scared.

But no one bullied me after that.
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Hopefully he's locked up for good. You can't just go around killing people.
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FF_Redux posted...

I ended my bullying in 5th grade with a rock.

It was a gang of older girls that bullied me for a long time, it escalated and one day they stole a very important paper from me and kept mocking me and stuff, they surrounded me and started throwing rocks at me. I threw one back, hit the leader on the head and she started to bleed a lot, blood was everywhere, she got like 20 stiches but was fine. I thought I killed her, I was so scared.

But no one bullied me after that.

I would never hit a girl.
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damn
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Patty_Fleur posted...

FF_Redux posted...

I ended my bullying in 5th grade with a rock.

It was a gang of older girls that bullied me for a long time, it escalated and one day they stole a very important paper from me and kept mocking me and stuff, they surrounded me and started throwing rocks at me. I threw one back, hit the leader on the head and she started to bleed a lot, blood was everywhere, she got like 20 stiches but was fine. I thought I killed her, I was so scared.

But no one bullied me after that.

I would never hit a girl.

Being surrounded by 10 older girls that were throwing rocks at you, I had to do something. Teachers ignored everything.
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nice lol
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Calling your school the Urban Assembly for Wildlife Conservation seems fairly disrespectful to your student body

Gamer99z posted...

Zeus posted...

It's tragic for all concerned, but hopefully this will open up a dialogue that spares violence in the future.

You must not be from this reality if you think there's any chance of that.

Given that it's a high profile incident, my optimism isn't entirely unwarranted.
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Don't understand, why are there people who do just as bad things and get the oh, this is ruin their lives, so no harsh punishment or anything at all for them.
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Don't bully people

Pretty simple
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Zeus posted...

Gamer99z posted...

Zeus posted...

It's tragic for all concerned, but hopefully this will open up a dialogue that spares violence in the future.

You must not be from this reality if you think there's any chance of that.

Given that it's a high profile incident, my optimism isn't entirely unwarranted.

Your optimism is beyond unwarranted, actually.
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FF_Redux posted...

I ended my bullying in 5th grade with a rock.

It was a gang of older girls that bullied me for a long time, it escalated and one day they stole a very important paper from me and kept mocking me and stuff, they surrounded me and started throwing rocks at me. I threw one back, hit the leader on the head and she started to bleed a lot, blood was everywhere, she got like 20 stiches but was fine. I thought I killed her, I was so scared.

But no one bullied me after that.

wish i did that. i got it hard from girl bullies
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why is the kid going to get jail time? the kid should be let go. so its okay for bullying victims to commit suicide but not okay to defend themselves? the internet should do something about this case and get nationwide exposure and a good lawyer should make a stand and get the kid free from any charges. this is no different from defending yourself on the street. and it turns out the stabber is gay and has been getting called gay slurs for a long time.

this will be a good case.
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The boy was subjected to racial slurs by the victims.

http://gothamist.com/2017/09/28/bronx_school_culture_of_bullying.php

myzz7 posted...

wish i did that. i got it hard from girl bullies

same deal

things boiled over when some kid hit me with a spit ball and I was literally seeing red and beat the everliving shit out of him.

this was a long time ago when people weren't so uptight so it was just a 2 week OSS and no other issues.

but nobody fucked with me after that.
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Awesome posted...

why is the kid going to get jail time? the kid should be let go. so its okay for bullying victims to commit suicide but not okay to defend themselves? the internet should do something about this case and get nationwide exposure and a good lawyer should make a stand and get the kid free from any charges. this is no different from defending yourself on the street. and it turns out the stabber is gay and has been getting called gay slurs for a long time.

this will be a good case.

You can't murder people because someone called you derogatory names.

Ammonitida posted...

Awesome posted...

why is the kid going to get jail time? the kid should be let go. so its okay for bullying victims to commit suicide but not okay to defend themselves? the internet should do something about this case and get nationwide exposure and a good lawyer should make a stand and get the kid free from any charges. this is no different from defending yourself on the street. and it turns out the stabber is gay and has been getting called gay slurs for a long time.

this will be a good case.

You can't murder people because someone called you derogatory names.

that's pretty much a lost cause. you can murder people for abusing you in self defense.

the only issue is can make a case for it in court.
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Ammonitida posted...

Awesome posted...

why is the kid going to get jail time? the kid should be let go. so its okay for bullying victims to commit suicide but not okay to defend themselves? the internet should do something about this case and get nationwide exposure and a good lawyer should make a stand and get the kid free from any charges. this is no different from defending yourself on the street. and it turns out the stabber is gay and has been getting called gay slurs for a long time.

this will be a good case.

You can't murder people because someone called you derogatory names.

yeah because its okay when the person being bullied decides to kill themselves when they get no help from other people? in the real world you have to protect yourself, if people call you names it will escalate to violence by any side. hopefully this gets to be a national issue, and these savage bullies all over the world can think twice about bothering someone else. this kid should get the best lawyer available and people should be donating to him.

its come down to this because a lot of humans are evil and like violence but when things get turned around they complain and cry.
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Is there any proof he was being bullied?
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The kid should not be going to jail for dealing with his bullies, give his ass community service and some therapy.
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According to this, the bullying by the victims only happened on the day of the stabbing. This was not a case of continuous bullying over a long period of time (at least from the victims).

http://abcnews.go.com/US/metal-detectors-brought-nyc-school-day-deadly-stabbing/story?id=50152210

Police said the suspect, Abel Cedeno, gave them a detailed statement in which he indicated the two stabbing victims only started bothering him on the day he allegedly stabbed each of them once in the chest.

Bob Boyce, chief of detectives for the New York Police Department, said Cedeno told investigators he had been verbally harassed by other students before the start of school "but not these two individuals."

When the time comes for his legal team to argue for leniency, that's not going to look good.

Funny how the schools don't know what's going on until there's a killing then it's "it only started the day of!"

Fucking bullshit.
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and it turns out he was getting punched by the two kids that day and has been called gay and racial slurs for years by a lot of people, so it will be an easier defense for his lawyer. this is what happens when liberal america doesnt do anything about bullying in schools, theyd rather suspend or expell a victim if they fight back instead of just the attacker, theyd rather have people get beat up and hope that help comes just in time. and this is what happens when people cry for help and get nothing done in return, then when people defend themselves they say " oh god why did this happen? "

its bizarro world just like in the movies.
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It sucks that schools teach kids not to fight back. If we still encouraged kids to fight back physically or verbally it wouldn't have got bottled up to this point.

Instead they tell kids to tell an adult which just results in more bullying.
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Ammonitida posted...

When the time comes for his legal team to argue for leniency, that's not going to look good.

Well that fact that he's a legal adult that had the forethought to bring a weapon and then stab 2 children is probably going to look worse.
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Ammonitida posted...

According to this, the bullying by the victims only happened on the day of the stabbing. This was not a case of continuous bullying over a long period of time (at least from the victims).

http://abcnews.go.com/US/metal-detectors-brought-nyc-school-day-deadly-stabbing/story?id=50152210

Police said the suspect, Abel Cedeno, gave them a detailed statement in which he indicated the two stabbing victims only started bothering him on the day he allegedly stabbed each of them once in the chest.

Bob Boyce, chief of detectives for the New York Police Department, said Cedeno told investigators he had been verbally harassed by other students before the start of school "but not these two individuals."

When the time comes for his legal team to argue for leniency, that's not going to look good.

sounds like they are trying to cover it up for their sake, because they know that they have to cover up failed action by people complaining about bullying. and kids in the school say all 3 of them have been having problems since the start of the school year.
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Dat knife doe...


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Awesome posted...

and it turns out he was getting punched by the two kids that day and has been called gay and racial slurs for years by a lot of people, so it will be an easier defense for his lawyer. this is what happens when liberal america doesnt do anything about bullying in schools, theyd rather suspend or expell a victim if they fight back instead of just the attacker, theyd rather have people get beat up and hope that help comes just in time. and this is what happens when people cry for help and get nothing done in return, then when people defend themselves they say " oh god why did this happen? "

its bizarro world just like in the movies.

That's not what I read. According to my sources, the two victims were merely throwing pencils at him. In order for self-defense to be legally viable, you must present evidence that you had reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm, and I'm afraid that being hit by pencil does not clear that threshold.

Ammonitida posted...

Awesome posted...

and it turns out he was getting punched by the two kids that day and has been called gay and racial slurs for years by a lot of people, so it will be an easier defense for his lawyer. this is what happens when liberal america doesnt do anything about bullying in schools, theyd rather suspend or expell a victim if they fight back instead of just the attacker, theyd rather have people get beat up and hope that help comes just in time. and this is what happens when people cry for help and get nothing done in return, then when people defend themselves they say " oh god why did this happen? "

its bizarro world just like in the movies.

That's not what I read. According to my sources, the two victims were merely throwing pencils at him. In order for self-defense to be legally viable, you must present evidence that you had reasonable fear of imminent bodily harm, and I'm afraid that being hit by pencil does not clear that threshold.

pencils can land in an eye, and thats grounds for an ass kicking. and all of this misinformation is whats going to make the court cases much more complicated, but the kids in the school will end up backing him.
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Ammonitida posted...

Awesome posted...

why is the kid going to get jail time? the kid should be let go. so its okay for bullying victims to commit suicide but not okay to defend themselves? the internet should do something about this case and get nationwide exposure and a good lawyer should make a stand and get the kid free from any charges. this is no different from defending yourself on the street. and it turns out the stabber is gay and has been getting called gay slurs for a long time.

this will be a good case.

You can't murder people because someone called you derogatory names.

Tell that to the kid in the OP
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The only guy that ever tried to torment me I gave a bloody nose in the middle of choir class (I didn't really get into trouble with the school either as they knew about his behavior issues and knew he had it coming).

I was also playfully teased in junior high by high school girls a few grades above me; it was unwanted, but I can't say I hated it either.
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l Dudeboy l posted...

Crazyman93 posted...

Bagamak posted...

the shitty thing is the dialogue will be about preventing violence in schools and condemning the bullied kid, and nobody will attempt to solve the bully problem.

Yep, go ask a hundred bullying victims how much the school helped them solve their issue. The answers will run from not much, to "completely fucking useless."

These. The article suggests that they're more interested in metal detectors than stopping bullying. Looks like it's not a very good school anyway. A shame for the students.

this, fair i guess within context, not fair to charge with murder.
if you are not going to do anything to prevent it, can't blame victims on striking back.
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Paragon21XX posted...

The only guy that ever tried to torment me I gave a bloody nose in the middle of choir class (I didn't really get into trouble with the school either as they knew about his behavior issues and knew he had it coming).

I was also playfully teased in junior high by high school girls a few grades above me; it was unwanted, but I can't say I hated it either.

yeah but the past few years you would have been suspended or expelled by defending yourself. thats how messed up the US is, other countries dont have this problem.
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Ammonitida posted...

Awesome posted...

why is the kid going to get jail time? the kid should be let go. so its okay for bullying victims to commit suicide but not okay to defend themselves? the internet should do something about this case and get nationwide exposure and a good lawyer should make a stand and get the kid free from any charges. this is no different from defending yourself on the street. and it turns out the stabber is gay and has been getting called gay slurs for a long time.

this will be a good case.

You can't murder people because someone called you derogatory names.

@Kineth
@That_Happened
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