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Izual_Reborn
09/26/17 1:12:21 PM
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http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/37147/

Claim it might offend someone.

This as been a big reason for me as to why I can't fully get behind trans-related surgery as I don't believe the repercussions are fully understood, but the means and ability to better understand them exist. The idea that these issues can't be researched because of political correctness or that people/institutions don't want to be 'on the wrong side of history' is disgusting. Furthermore there are under-researched issues around mental health among trans-people. Some people even believe based on certain stats that many people who undergo transitions may not actually have gender dysphoria or be actually trans, but again these issues will not get researched/studied at the behest of individuals and groups inevitable faux outrage and at the expense of individuals welfare and potentially their lives.
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eston
09/26/17 1:15:32 PM
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It sounds like the university assumed there would be backlash without there actually being any backlash
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DoctorVader
09/26/17 1:16:15 PM
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Cersei sounds mad.
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Sayoria
09/26/17 1:19:51 PM
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Too bad TC. I'm getting the surgery in May. You going to stop me?
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Pepys Monster
09/26/17 1:22:27 PM
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Sayoria posted...
Too bad TC. I'm getting the surgery in May. You going to stop me?

Nobody can stop you, but you'll wish someone did.
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Izual_Reborn
09/26/17 1:22:46 PM
#6:


Sayoria posted...
Too bad TC. I'm getting the surgery in May. You going to stop me?


No. Why would I?
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DreadedWave
09/26/17 1:23:09 PM
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Guess Izual switched from spoiling movies to trans trolling.
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Izual_Reborn
09/26/17 1:23:46 PM
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DreadedWave posted...
Guess Izual switched from spoiling movies to trans trolling.


If you think this is trolling I suggest eat you get et at a thicmer skin.
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UnfairRepresent
09/26/17 1:23:50 PM
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Do you have a less biased source TC?
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OpheliaAdenade
09/26/17 1:25:58 PM
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That does concern me too. There do seem to be more and more people regretting their choices after the fact. For female to male that can be reversed, but after the snip snip that penis is gone forever.
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Izual_Reborn
09/26/17 1:26:07 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Do you have a less biased source TC?


Biased in what regard? The facts are there for everyone to see.
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Sayoria
09/26/17 1:27:09 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
Sayoria posted...
Too bad TC. I'm getting the surgery in May. You going to stop me?

Nobody can stop you, but you'll wish someone did.


Not really.

I see no plus sides of having a penis with the way I see myself. Would I prefer a medication or therapy that could change my feelings on this? No, because I believe I am who I am. Letting us get the surgery impacts no one's lives but our own (and spouses if we have them) .... and people really need to butt their noses out of it. Changing our thoughts on the matter or anything like that is practically brainwashing us into being who we aren't.... and if that were to ever be the case for me, I'm probably off myself there and then. I'd go kicking and screaming until the opportunity were to arise.
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DreadedWave
09/26/17 1:27:23 PM
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Izual_Reborn posted...
DreadedWave posted...
Guess Izual switched from spoiling movies to trans trolling.


If you think this is trolling I suggest eat you get et at a thicmer skin.

No but when you're a massive troll already it's a bit more obvious.
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Virus731
09/26/17 1:28:07 PM
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Pepys Monster posted...
Nobody can stop you, but you'll wish someone did.

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Sayoria
09/26/17 1:28:54 PM
#15:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
That does concern me too. There do seem to be more and more people regretting their choices after the fact. For female to male that can be reversed, but after the snip snip that penis is gone forever.


Biological women never had penises. I don't see them killing themselves. Just because I do and at the time, will-have-had, that doesn't mean anything.

Suicide and depression mostly comes from the fact that society takes a shit on us.
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OpheliaAdenade
09/26/17 1:32:01 PM
#16:


Sayoria posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
That does concern me too. There do seem to be more and more people regretting their choices after the fact. For female to male that can be reversed, but after the snip snip that penis is gone forever.


Biological women never had penises. I don't see them killing themselves. Just because I do and at the time, will-have-had, that doesn't mean anything.

Suicide and depression mostly comes from the fact that society takes a shit on us.


But you're getting rid of an entire organ though. An organ you're used to having. People get phantom leg syndrome when they lose a leg, who is to say you wouldn't get the same thing for your penis?

Why not leave it alone? Your penis didn't do anything wrong. Why are you trying to kill it? Can't you just stuff it between your legs and use some tucking tape? That's what Willam does and he looks great.
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darkjedilink
09/26/17 1:32:11 PM
#17:


Sayoria posted...
Pepys Monster posted...
Sayoria posted...
Too bad TC. I'm getting the surgery in May. You going to stop me?

Nobody can stop you, but you'll wish someone did.


Not really.

I see no plus sides of having a penis with the way I see myself. Would I prefer a medication or therapy that could change my feelings on this? No, because I believe I am who I am. Letting us get the surgery impacts no one's lives but our own (and spouses if we have them) .... and people really need to butt their noses out of it. Changing our thoughts on the matter or anything like that is practically brainwashing us into being who we aren't.... and if that were to ever be the case for me, I'm probably off myself there and then. I'd go kicking and screaming until the opportunity were to arise.

I personally believe that, as long as you aren't using tax money to finance your surgery, and you're over 18, you do you.
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Sylph
09/26/17 1:33:55 PM
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I am just past the six month mark post op, so far everything is great. It is really nice to not have to worry about things coming loose anymore, and clothes in general are way more comfortable.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/26/17 1:34:05 PM
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Fucking unicersities...
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UnfairRepresent
09/26/17 1:34:32 PM
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Izual_Reborn posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Do you have a less biased source TC?


Biased in what regard? The facts are there for everyone to see.

The article seems to be trying to rile me up rather than present facts.

Makes it hard to tell if it's accurate reporting or not
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Rexdragon125
09/26/17 1:37:05 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Izual_Reborn posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Do you have a less biased source TC?


Biased in what regard? The facts are there for everyone to see.

The article seems to be trying to rile me up rather than present facts.

Makes it hard to tell if it's accurate reporting or not

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darkjedilink
09/26/17 1:39:53 PM
#22:


Sayoria posted...
Suicide and depression mostly comes from the fact that society takes a shit on us.

The only way to prove this would be to do research on those who regretted their surgery.

But, we can't, cuz muh feelz.
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OpheliaAdenade
09/26/17 1:41:00 PM
#23:


Sylph posted...
I am just past the six month mark post op, so far everything is great. It is really nice to not have to worry about things coming loose anymore, and clothes in general are way more comfortable.


Do you like your new cooter? :o is it everything you thought it was going to be? I'm just curious. Did you get to tell the doctor how you wanted it to look? Big flaps, tiny flaps? Different colorations?

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Virus731
09/26/17 1:50:40 PM
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Sayoria posted...
Suicide and depression mostly comes from the fact that society takes a shit on us.


what a cop out of a response
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REMercsChamp
09/26/17 1:51:59 PM
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Sayoria
09/26/17 1:55:21 PM
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OpheliaAdenade posted...
Sayoria posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
That does concern me too. There do seem to be more and more people regretting their choices after the fact. For female to male that can be reversed, but after the snip snip that penis is gone forever.


Biological women never had penises. I don't see them killing themselves. Just because I do and at the time, will-have-had, that doesn't mean anything.

Suicide and depression mostly comes from the fact that society takes a shit on us.


But you're getting rid of an entire organ though. An organ you're used to having. People get phantom leg syndrome when they lose a leg, who is to say you wouldn't get the same thing for your penis?

Why not leave it alone? Your penis didn't do anything wrong. Why are you trying to kill it? Can't you just stuff it between your legs and use some tucking tape? That's what Willam does and he looks great.


Are you against kidney transplants or removal? Many are used to having their two kidneys but end up having one removed or replaced. Do those people get phantom kidney syndrome?

I mean the whole thing is just stupid. Maybe we do get phantom penis, I dunno. Whether or not that happens, I see it being something that would subside after living with the post-op results and dilating so much.

Because I want a vagina. Real or not, a penis doesn't feel right. I "crave" vaginal sex. Duct tape doesn't give me that satisfaction. I want a relationship and I would never be able to hold one the way I want with a penis. Sorry.
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Sayoria
09/26/17 1:57:05 PM
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Virus731 posted...
Sayoria posted...
Suicide and depression mostly comes from the fact that society takes a shit on us.


what a cop out of a response


Oh yes, we kill ourselves because it is directly of hate of ourselves and not the fact that we are kicked out of our families, forced homeless, face job discrimination, face harassment and more. It's all because we hate ourselves and the outside battle with society actually helps us want to live more.

You are so out of fucking touch.
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OpheliaAdenade
09/26/17 1:57:14 PM
#28:


Sayoria posted...
Are you against kidney transplants or removal? Many are used to having their two kidneys but end up having one removed or replaced. Do those people get phantom kidney syndrome?I mean the whole thing is just stupid. Maybe we do get phantom penis, I dunno. Whether or not that happens, I see it being something that would subside after living with the post-op results and dilating so much.Because I want a vagina. Real or not, a penis doesn't feel right. I "crave" vaginal sex. Duct tape doesn't give me that satisfaction. I want a relationship and I would never be able to hold one the way I want with a penis. Sorry.


That's understandable. I just feel bad for the penis. They're an innocent in all of this. :/ and it is gonna get lopped off. Just seems so inhumane to me.
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Sayoria
09/26/17 1:59:32 PM
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OpheliaAdenade posted...
Sayoria posted...
Are you against kidney transplants or removal? Many are used to having their two kidneys but end up having one removed or replaced. Do those people get phantom kidney syndrome?I mean the whole thing is just stupid. Maybe we do get phantom penis, I dunno. Whether or not that happens, I see it being something that would subside after living with the post-op results and dilating so much.Because I want a vagina. Real or not, a penis doesn't feel right. I "crave" vaginal sex. Duct tape doesn't give me that satisfaction. I want a relationship and I would never be able to hold one the way I want with a penis. Sorry.


That's understandable. I just feel bad for the penis. They're an innocent in all of this. :/ and it is gonna get lopped off. Just seems so inhumane to me.


It might have a head of it's own, but it doesn't harbor my brain.

If anything, I am a packrat in a sense and kind of hate the idea of ridding of the testicles forever... you know, tossing them out for no reason whatsoever, but it needs to be done. I'd feel better if I could preserve them or donate them to someone in need like a trans man.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
09/26/17 1:59:44 PM
#30:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
Sayoria posted...
Are you against kidney transplants or removal? Many are used to having their two kidneys but end up having one removed or replaced. Do those people get phantom kidney syndrome?I mean the whole thing is just stupid. Maybe we do get phantom penis, I dunno. Whether or not that happens, I see it being something that would subside after living with the post-op results and dilating so much.Because I want a vagina. Real or not, a penis doesn't feel right. I "crave" vaginal sex. Duct tape doesn't give me that satisfaction. I want a relationship and I would never be able to hold one the way I want with a penis. Sorry.


That's understandable. I just feel bad for the penis. They're an innocent in all of this. :/ and it is gonna get lopped off. Just seems so inhumane to me.


I want this post to have been meant as a joke.
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thelovefist
09/26/17 2:00:55 PM
#31:


Sayoria posted...
Biological women never had penises.


@gunplagirl believes you are a biological woman though.
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OpheliaAdenade
09/26/17 2:01:29 PM
#32:


Sayoria posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
Sayoria posted...
Are you against kidney transplants or removal? Many are used to having their two kidneys but end up having one removed or replaced. Do those people get phantom kidney syndrome?I mean the whole thing is just stupid. Maybe we do get phantom penis, I dunno. Whether or not that happens, I see it being something that would subside after living with the post-op results and dilating so much.Because I want a vagina. Real or not, a penis doesn't feel right. I "crave" vaginal sex. Duct tape doesn't give me that satisfaction. I want a relationship and I would never be able to hold one the way I want with a penis. Sorry.


That's understandable. I just feel bad for the penis. They're an innocent in all of this. :/ and it is gonna get lopped off. Just seems so inhumane to me.


It might have a head of it's own, but it doesn't harbor my brain.

If anything, I am a packrat in a sense and kind of hate the idea of ridding of the testicles forever... you know, tossing them out for no reason whatsoever, but it needs to be done. I'd feel better if I could preserve them or donate them to someone in need like a trans man.


You don't have to get rid of them though! D: You can still reconsider this. You might need them someday.
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scar the 1
09/26/17 2:02:52 PM
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That motivation provided sounds like things that an ethics committee should not concern themselves with. I could see how a marketing department would be worried, but it seems a little rotten when the ethics committee takes the reputation of the institution into account.
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mattnd2007
09/26/17 2:03:23 PM
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Not doing research because it might not be PC is wrong. Let the data speak for itself. But that isn't the age we live in.

Only do research on stuff that isn't controversial. Can't hurt anyone's feelings.
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Sir Will
09/26/17 2:07:38 PM
#35:


OpheliaAdenade posted...
There do seem to be more and more people regretting their choices after the fact

Source: your ass

OpheliaAdenade posted...
Why not leave it alone? Your penis didn't do anything wrong. Why are you trying to kill it? Can't you just stuff it between your legs and use some tucking tape? That's what Willam does and he looks great.

...troll or just that clueless?

Virus731 posted...
Sayoria posted...
Suicide and depression mostly comes from the fact that society takes a shit on us.


what a cop out of a response

No.

OpheliaAdenade posted...
That's understandable. I just feel bad for the penis. They're an innocent in all of this. :/ and it is gonna get lopped off. Just seems so inhumane to me.

Yeah, troll.
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scar the 1
09/26/17 2:17:28 PM
#36:


mattnd2007 posted...
Not doing research because it might not be PC is wrong.

Not necessarily imo, but the ethical consideration should rather be "is there a risk that these results are misinterpreted maliciously?" rather than "does this affect our university's reputation?".
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Virus731
09/26/17 5:32:23 PM
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Sayoria posted...
Oh yes, we kill ourselves because it is directly of hate of ourselves and not the fact that we are kicked out of our families, forced homeless, face job discrimination, face harassment and more. It's all because we hate ourselves and the outside battle with society actually helps us want to live more.

You are so out of fucking touch.


ok have fun with that victim syndrome
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Sayoria
09/26/17 5:35:02 PM
#38:


Virus731 posted...
Sayoria posted...
Oh yes, we kill ourselves because it is directly of hate of ourselves and not the fact that we are kicked out of our families, forced homeless, face job discrimination, face harassment and more. It's all because we hate ourselves and the outside battle with society actually helps us want to live more.

You are so out of fucking touch.


ok have fun with that victim syndrome

I don't feel victimized. I was graced with a loving family and a loving state. If I lived in the south with a Christian family, I'd probably have killed myself by now too.
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Ulyanyx
09/26/17 5:36:41 PM
#39:


Sayoria posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
That does concern me too. There do seem to be more and more people regretting their choices after the fact. For female to male that can be reversed, but after the snip snip that penis is gone forever.


Biological women never had penises. I don't see them killing themselves. Just because I do and at the time, will-have-had, that doesn't mean anything.

Suicide and depression mostly comes from the fact that society takes a shit on us.



i believe you're wrong in your outrage here, and this should be researched, if anything it can help people who transition and still have doubts.
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darkphoenix181
09/26/17 5:37:52 PM
#40:


mattnd2007 posted...
Not doing research because it might not be PC is wrong. Let the data speak for itself. But that isn't the age we live in.

Only do research on stuff that isn't controversial. Can't hurt anyone's feelings.


that is any age though

scientists can be very biased and historically have been; people are biased
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Sayoria
09/26/17 5:38:19 PM
#41:


Ulyanyx posted...
Sayoria posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
That does concern me too. There do seem to be more and more people regretting their choices after the fact. For female to male that can be reversed, but after the snip snip that penis is gone forever.


Biological women never had penises. I don't see them killing themselves. Just because I do and at the time, will-have-had, that doesn't mean anything.

Suicide and depression mostly comes from the fact that society takes a shit on us.



i believe you're wrong in your outrage here, and this should be researched, if anything it can help people who transition and still have doubts.


Are you telling me you don't think most of us have our problems because of society? Trust me, I am 100% sure it is society that makes our lives miserable.
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myzz7
09/26/17 5:39:49 PM
#42:


Pepys Monster posted...
Sayoria posted...
Too bad TC. I'm getting the surgery in May. You going to stop me?

Nobody can stop you, but you'll wish someone did.

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Hexenherz
09/26/17 5:41:22 PM
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The name of the school is literally Bath Spa University...
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Virus731
09/26/17 5:42:15 PM
#44:


Sayoria posted...
Are you telling me you don't think most of us have our problems because of society? Trust me, I am 100% sure it is society that makes our lives miserable.


are you actually sitting here trying to say mental illness has nothing to do with this? like what the actual fuck lmfao
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Sayoria
09/26/17 5:50:25 PM
#45:


Virus731 posted...
Sayoria posted...
Are you telling me you don't think most of us have our problems because of society? Trust me, I am 100% sure it is society that makes our lives miserable.


are you actually sitting here trying to say mental illness has nothing to do with this? like what the actual fuck lmfao


We could live with it if people weren't acting as gatekeepers and criticizing us for doing what we want to do. Just like others, we want to be loved, accepted, and to be treated as people. Many of us are not. Leelah Alcorn was all but kicked out of her house. Her suicide letter directed hate and blame of the parents for her treatment. Then when you look at cases like the two post-op trans women from CE, my co-worker, and other successful trans people like Laverne Cox who have a stable circle of support, they all are happy. Mason Dunn of the Massachusetts TPC is a transgender guy who has been fighting for transgender people for years now and clearly has his head on his shoulders. Grace Stowell.... she's in her 70s and she's so selflessly working towards helping these youth going through what she did and giving them a home where their family may not have.

I've been around many transgender people in my life. The happy and successful ones are the ones with stable family and friend circles. That's the key. I am transgender. I have been around more trans people than you ever have. I have researched a lot on my end as well for school-based projects. The topic is close to me and the facts are..... without a stable circle, they will fall into this hole, wishing they weren't trans because people like you tell them that being trans is wrong and unnatural. They get into conflict with themselves and that's when they kill themselves.

tl;dr: If you don't support, you are the problem. Plain and simple.
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De Evolution
09/26/17 5:51:46 PM
#46:


mattnd2007 posted...
Not doing research because it might not be PC is wrong.


Welcome to the future. "Feelz over realz" because empirical data and observable science might offend the feminists and LGBTQs
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thelovefist
09/26/17 5:52:19 PM
#47:


Sayoria posted...
Virus731 posted...
Sayoria posted...
Are you telling me you don't think most of us have our problems because of society? Trust me, I am 100% sure it is society that makes our lives miserable.


are you actually sitting here trying to say mental illness has nothing to do with this? like what the actual fuck lmfao


We could live with it if people weren't acting as gatekeepers and criticizing us for doing what we want to do. Just like others, we want to be loved, accepted, and to be treated as people. Many of us are not. Leelah Alcorn was all but kicked out of her house. Her suicide letter directed hate and blame of the parents for her treatment. Then when you look at cases like the two post-op trans women from CE, my co-worker, and other successful trans people like Laverne Cox who have a stable circle of support, they all are happy. Mason Dunn of the Massachusetts TPC is a transgender guy who has been fighting for transgender people for years now and clearly has his head on his shoulders. Grace Stowell.... she's in her 70s and she's so selflessly working towards helping these youth going through what she did and giving them a home where their family may not have.

I've been around many transgender people in my life. The happy and successful ones are the ones with stable family and friend circles. That's the key. I am transgender. I have been around more trans people than you ever have. I have researched a lot on my end as well for school-based projects. The topic is close to me and the facts are..... without a stable circle, they will fall into this hole, wishing they weren't trans because people like you tell them that being trans is wrong and unnatural. They get into conflict with themselves and that's when they kill themselves.

tl;dr: If you don't support, you are the problem. Plain and simple.

When did you complete your degree in psychiatry?
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Virus731
09/26/17 5:53:15 PM
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Sayoria posted...
tl;dr: If you don't support, you are the problem. Plain and simple.


lmfao typical entitled and boring response

you'd think you'd have some personality outside of your obsession with being a man
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Sayoria
09/26/17 5:53:55 PM
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thelovefist posted...
Sayoria posted...
Virus731 posted...
Sayoria posted...
Are you telling me you don't think most of us have our problems because of society? Trust me, I am 100% sure it is society that makes our lives miserable.


are you actually sitting here trying to say mental illness has nothing to do with this? like what the actual fuck lmfao


We could live with it if people weren't acting as gatekeepers and criticizing us for doing what we want to do. Just like others, we want to be loved, accepted, and to be treated as people. Many of us are not. Leelah Alcorn was all but kicked out of her house. Her suicide letter directed hate and blame of the parents for her treatment. Then when you look at cases like the two post-op trans women from CE, my co-worker, and other successful trans people like Laverne Cox who have a stable circle of support, they all are happy. Mason Dunn of the Massachusetts TPC is a transgender guy who has been fighting for transgender people for years now and clearly has his head on his shoulders. Grace Stowell.... she's in her 70s and she's so selflessly working towards helping these youth going through what she did and giving them a home where their family may not have.

I've been around many transgender people in my life. The happy and successful ones are the ones with stable family and friend circles. That's the key. I am transgender. I have been around more trans people than you ever have. I have researched a lot on my end as well for school-based projects. The topic is close to me and the facts are..... without a stable circle, they will fall into this hole, wishing they weren't trans because people like you tell them that being trans is wrong and unnatural. They get into conflict with themselves and that's when they kill themselves.

tl;dr: If you don't support, you are the problem. Plain and simple.

When did you complete your degree in psychiatry?


I have the experience with it real time and have worked with many transgender youth. No paper is going to prove anything that I haven't seen with my own eyes.

Societal rejection is the trans killer.
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09/26/17 5:55:12 PM
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Virus731 posted...
Sayoria posted...
tl;dr: If you don't support, you are the problem. Plain and simple.


lmfao typical entitled and boring response

you'd think you'd have some personality outside of your obsession with being a man


Nice, you know me. Just like society knows all of us transgender people better than we do of ourselves.
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