Current Events > What Kaepernick kneeled for ORIGINALLY & what everyone is kneeling for NOW

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TrollSlayer11
09/25/17 12:41:35 PM
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Is not the same. Kaepernick kneeled due to police brutality and to call attention to the impunity police departments had for dealing with black people and shooting people wrongfully and getting away with it.


This group that's kneeling now is just reacting to Trump. It has nothing to do with anything except anti-Trump sentiment and false accusations of racism.
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Irony
09/25/17 12:42:21 PM
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They all pretty much kneeled for absolutely no reason
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DreadedWave
09/25/17 12:42:52 PM
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TrollSlayer11 posted...
This group that's kneeling now is just reacting to Trump

I'm all for it if he's gonna keep acting like a child about it.
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TrollSlayer11
09/25/17 12:43:39 PM
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DreadedWave posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
This group that's kneeling now is just reacting to Trump

I'm all for it if he's gonna keep acting like a child about it.


Riiiight. And how has that worked out for anti-Trump people over the last year and a half?

Fucking libs.
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Irony
09/25/17 12:44:09 PM
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DreadedWave posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
This group that's kneeling now is just reacting to Trump

I'm all for it if he's gonna keep acting like a child about it.

"Trump is acting like a child, they should act like children too"
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andel
09/25/17 12:45:11 PM
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opposing trump is a great message though, he is so dumb and incompetent everyone should voice dissent towards him imo

kaep is a grade a moron that fucked up his career, he wasn't wrong in kneeling though, just like the owners aren't wrong for distancing themselves. if it was brady/wilson/rodgers/ect it wouldn't matter, he just got a lot of public backlash and wasn't good enough to warrant the headache
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Siaperaz
09/25/17 12:45:16 PM
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They kneeled because their publicists told them to do so.
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DifferentialEquation
09/25/17 12:45:59 PM
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The left hates this country, so they'll support kneeling no matter how petty the reason.
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andel
09/25/17 12:46:57 PM
#9:


TrollSlayer11 posted...
DreadedWave posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
This group that's kneeling now is just reacting to Trump

I'm all for it if he's gonna keep acting like a child about it.


Riiiight. And how has that worked out for anti-Trump people over the last year and a half?

Fucking libs.


p good. his approval is at historic lows and even with his party controlling everything he has not accomplished anything at all. pretty good to be the opposition as you get to see the gop implode and a guy that has been potus under a year is already a lame duck
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That_Happened
09/25/17 12:47:09 PM
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Irony posted...
DreadedWave posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
This group that's kneeling now is just reacting to Trump

I'm all for it if he's gonna keep acting like a child about it.

"Trump is acting like a child, they should act like children too"

NFL players didn't act like children. The act of protesting was never childish in this instance. And showing that they (mostly) stand against the president's childish behavior doesn't suddenly bring them down to his level.
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Caution999
09/25/17 12:47:10 PM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
The left hates this country, so they'll support kneeling no matter how petty the reason.


I'm thinking about changing my wallpaper on this account to an American Flag just to see how much it pisses them off.
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VipaGTS
09/25/17 12:48:40 PM
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Its the same. Kaepernick kneeled for a cause....Some players chose not to kneel with him but supported him. Trump's comments just made those other players come out publicly and show that they support Kaep and other players who kneel and don't stand with people like Trump...Its not "taking over" Kaep's issue. its a show of support for his rights. Its just has more impact by protesting in the same way he did.
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andel
09/25/17 12:48:42 PM
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DifferentialEquation posted...
The left hates this country, so they'll support kneeling no matter how petty the reason.


yeah, the guys that support free speech and oppose bending over for russia are the ones that hate the country...nah, p sure it is the gopeons and that orange, impotent manbaby that hate america
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Twin3Turbo
09/25/17 12:49:21 PM
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Caution999 posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The left hates this country, so they'll support kneeling no matter how petty the reason.


I'm thinking about changing my wallpaper on this account to an American Flag just to see how much it pisses them off.

I'll change mine to someone shitting on it. Let's see which crowd gets more triggered.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/25/17 12:49:46 PM
#15:


making the same topics everyday to make the same statements that have already been debunked by the people involved is pathetic.

Irony posted...
They all pretty much kneeled for absolutely no reason


Kaepernick literally gave his reason.

cognitive dissonance much?
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TrollSlayer11
09/25/17 12:51:44 PM
#16:


andel posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The left hates this country, so they'll support kneeling no matter how petty the reason.


yeah, the guys that support free speech and oppose bending over for russia are the ones that hate the country...nah, p sure it is the gopeons and that orange, impotent manbaby that hate america


as opposed to liberals who get web sites completely shut down in violation of our free speech, who want to silence dissenting opinions COMPLETELY instead of letting them be heard, and try their best to doxx people and get people fired for having the "wrong opinions".

honestly liberals are 1000x worse than conservatives when it comes to silencing people and going against free speech. at least conservatives just get angry about things that liberals say and do. liberals on the other hands actually make sure conservatives can't speak or act in the first place.

or of course just call anyone that disagrees with you a Nazi that way no discussion can ever be had and you can openly persecute them.
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darkjedilink
09/25/17 12:51:59 PM
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andel posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The left hates this country, so they'll support kneeling no matter how petty the reason.

yeah, the guys that support free speech and oppose bending over for russia are the ones that hate the country...nah, p sure it is the gopeons and that orange, impotent manbaby that hate america

Libs who protested a free speech event support free speech?
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Irony
09/25/17 12:53:24 PM
#18:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Irony posted...
They all pretty much kneeled for absolutely no reason


Kaepernick literally gave his reason.

cognitive dissonance much?

His reason was a not reason. It affected his cause about as much as me letting my dog shit in my neighbor's yard affected Silent Hills.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/25/17 12:55:55 PM
#19:


Irony posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Irony posted...
They all pretty much kneeled for absolutely no reason


Kaepernick literally gave his reason.

cognitive dissonance much?

His reason was a not reason. It affected his cause about as much as me letting my dog shit in my neighbor's yard affected Silent Hills.


repeating the same lies doesn't turn it into truth. doesn't matter what you think, lol. what are you doing about it but crying on the internet?
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DreadedWave
09/25/17 12:56:20 PM
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Someone's mad Stormfront shut down.
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HBOSS
09/25/17 12:57:08 PM
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Kneel before Zod.
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thompsontalker7
09/25/17 1:03:30 PM
#23:


DreadedWave posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
This group that's kneeling now is just reacting to Trump

I'm all for it if he's gonna keep acting like a child about it.


"I'm okay with zero progress being made if it's done for the epik winz ecks dee"
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DreadedWave
09/25/17 1:04:11 PM
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thompsontalker7 posted...
"I'm okay with zero progress being made if it's done for the epik winz ecks dee"

The funny part is this quote is literally Trump's presidency in a nutshell.
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VipaGTS
09/25/17 1:04:51 PM
#25:


thompsontalker7 posted...
"I'm okay with zero progress being made if it's done for the epik winz ecks dee"

If the President is so upset that players kneeling is leading to Zero Progress your issues should be with him, not those laughing at him for it. the fuckin President shouldn't have to be coddled to get work done.
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darkjedilink
09/25/17 1:08:30 PM
#26:


RickyTheBAWSE posted...
making the same topics everyday to make the same statements that have already been debunked by the people involved is pathetic.

Irony posted...
They all pretty much kneeled for absolutely no reason

Kaepernick literally gave his reason.

cognitive dissonance much?

He did. Too bad it was based on race-baiting lies.
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thompsontalker7
09/25/17 1:09:38 PM
#27:


VipaGTS posted...
thompsontalker7 posted...
"I'm okay with zero progress being made if it's done for the epik winz ecks dee"

If the President is so upset that players kneeling is leading to Zero Progress your issues should be with him, not those laughing at him for it. the fuckin President shouldn't have to be coddled to get work done.


Oh, so taking a knee is about Trump after all?

Nah, I don't like it regardless of who it's about. It's just that liberals have taken lately to it if it means pissing off Trump and his supporters for the epic winz. That's a shitty mindset to approach any sort of protest because it means the focus is short-term and therefore will not last long enough for any palatable change to occur.
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Landonio
09/25/17 1:10:31 PM
#28:


TrollSlayer11 posted...
DreadedWave posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
This group that's kneeling now is just reacting to Trump

I'm all for it if he's gonna keep acting like a child about it.


Riiiight. And how has that worked out for anti-Trump people over the last year and a half?

Fucking libs.

Credibility lost.

Next caller.
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Thunder_Dogg
09/25/17 1:12:11 PM
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would be nice if we had a president who realized he was the president of the United States, and not president of the Confederacy. he's picking favorites and has been nothing but divisive while undermining the freedoms the flag is supposed to stand for.

earlier in the year he encouraged peaceful protests. just like a lot of people on this board did. now that he's seen it, he's exposed himself as a fraud. just like a lot of people on this board.
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TrollSlayer11
09/25/17 1:12:25 PM
#30:


Landonio posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
DreadedWave posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
This group that's kneeling now is just reacting to Trump

I'm all for it if he's gonna keep acting like a child about it.


Riiiight. And how has that worked out for anti-Trump people over the last year and a half?

Fucking libs.

Credibility lost.

Next caller.


No one can argue with me. I may troll here and there but no one can intelligently respond to the content of my posts because I'm right and I make too much rational sense. I'm smarter and more logical than you and most of this board.

So you do your best to deflect and make logical fallacies because you have no rebuttal or intelligent answer to address my points. Thank you for clearly conceding this fact now kindly get the fuck out of my topic if you want to act like a fucking shine.

Next caller please?
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VipaGTS
09/25/17 1:12:59 PM
#31:


thompsontalker7 posted...
Oh, so taking a knee is about Trump after all?

...No...I was responding to your post which was about Trump and things getting done. I guess i should break it down. The first guy said it was just about Trump, the next guy said he was ok with that if it made Trump look like a joke, you replied sarcastically, saying that its wrong to think like that since it could stand in the way of "progress"...

..i was explaining to you that if progress is halted because Trump is acting like a baby over people taking knees, your beef is with Trump, not those people.

...the protests are a show of solidarity for players who kneel and their rights BECAUSE OF what Trump said, not just to be Anti-Trump....Fuckin hell...
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/25/17 1:13:58 PM
#32:


Landonio posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
DreadedWave posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
This group that's kneeling now is just reacting to Trump

I'm all for it if he's gonna keep acting like a child about it.


Riiiight. And how has that worked out for anti-Trump people over the last year and a half?

Fucking libs.

Credibility lost.

Next caller.


pretending to be Black should have been the red flag.

the troll even makes it a point to "remind" people every chance he gets as if being Black actually gives more credibility to the argument, lolololol

ignorance.
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bluezero
09/25/17 1:14:13 PM
#33:


TrollSlayer11 posted...
DreadedWave posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
This group that's kneeling now is just reacting to Trump

I'm all for it if he's gonna keep acting like a child about it.


Riiiight. And how has that worked out for anti-Trump people over the last year and a half?

Fucking libs.

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andel
09/25/17 1:15:11 PM
#34:


TrollSlayer11 posted...
andel posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The left hates this country, so they'll support kneeling no matter how petty the reason.


yeah, the guys that support free speech and oppose bending over for russia are the ones that hate the country...nah, p sure it is the gopeons and that orange, impotent manbaby that hate america


as opposed to liberals who get web sites completely shut down in violation of our free speech, who want to silence dissenting opinions COMPLETELY instead of letting them be heard, and try their best to doxx people and get people fired for having the "wrong opinions".

honestly liberals are 1000x worse than conservatives when it comes to silencing people and going against free speech. at least conservatives just get angry about things that liberals say and do. liberals on the other hands actually make sure conservatives can't speak or act in the first place.

or of course just call anyone that disagrees with you a Nazi that way no discussion can ever be had and you can openly persecute them.


stormfront getting shut down has nothing to do with free speech. free speech only applies to the government silencing you, that was the free market at work. if you don't like the free market you are welcome to move to north korea, otherwise you just aren't smart enough to understand the difference in the two
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Zembaphobia
09/25/17 1:16:31 PM
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DreadedWave
09/25/17 1:17:00 PM
#36:


thompsontalker7 posted...
It's just that liberals have taken lately to it if it means pissing off Trump and his supporters for the epic winz.

Trump supporters basically had a presidential campaign based around "liberal tears". Get off your high horse.
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thompsontalker7
09/25/17 1:17:21 PM
#37:


VipaGTS posted...
thompsontalker7 posted...
Oh, so taking a knee is about Trump after all?

...No...I was responding to your post which was about Trump and things getting done. I guess i should break it down. The first guy said it was just about Trump, the next guy said he was ok with that if it made Trump look like a joke, you replied sarcastically, saying that its wrong to think like that since it could stand in the way of "progress"...

..i was explaining to you that if progress is halted because Trump is acting like a baby over people taking knees, your beef is with Trump, not those people.

...the protests are a show of solidarity for players who kneel and their rights BECAUSE OF what Trump said, not just to be Anti-Trump....Fuckin hell...


Two wrongs don't make a right, bud. If people are taking knees results Trump getting angry over people taking knees, then taking knees to piss him off further doesn't really impress me much.

Matter of fact, I don't even know why you related my comment to Trump either. You seem to do that a lot, if past indication is any hint. I didn't like Kap for doing it initially for the same reasons I don't like it now. People just suddenly have a common focus for it now since you don't have to know anything about Kap or football or even the police to support this.
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VipaGTS
09/25/17 1:19:11 PM
#38:


...I related your comment to Trump because you directly quoted a post about him and that comment Tree was about Trump..
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/25/17 1:19:30 PM
#39:


DreadedWave posted...
thompsontalker7 posted...
It's just that liberals have taken lately to it if it means pissing off Trump and his supporters for the epic winz.

Trump supporters basically had a presidential campaign based around "liberal tears". Get off your high horse.


people literally said they voted for him because he's against political correctness.

fucking priorities, lol.
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thompsontalker7
09/25/17 1:23:11 PM
#40:


VipaGTS posted...
...I related your comment to Trump because you directly quoted a post about him and that comment Tree was about Trump..


I felt the same way about the knees for police oppression, too. They can do it all they want, but if nothing is being done outside of that it's a meaningless gesture, same with Trump. You can piss him off all you want, but the victory is a pyrrhic one unless anything meaningful comes out of it.

I give Kap some credit for following up with his gesture in the subsequent months, but how many other people who have taken a knee recently can also say the same?
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Phantom_Nook
09/25/17 1:23:58 PM
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Protesting Trump is a better cause anyway.
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Xelltrix
09/25/17 1:25:01 PM
#42:


It's so odd how many people on here seem to have less problems with people who literally identify as Neo-Nazi sympathizers expressing their freedom of speech but simultaneously condemn NFL players for it.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/25/17 1:27:11 PM
#43:


thompsontalker7 posted...
VipaGTS posted...
...I related your comment to Trump because you directly quoted a post about him and that comment Tree was about Trump..


I felt the same way about the knees for police oppression, too. They can do it all they want, but if nothing is being done outside of that it's a meaningless gesture, same with Trump. You can piss him off all you want, but the victory is a pyrrhic one unless anything meaningful comes out of it.


tell me... what is the solution for citizens who feel like police misconduct is plaguing their communities?

preferably something that hasn't already been tried. if it was tried before and we're still here, obviously that's not the alternative solution.

what is?
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De Evolution
09/25/17 1:27:55 PM
#44:


andel posted...
TrollSlayer11 posted...
andel posted...
DifferentialEquation posted...
The left hates this country, so they'll support kneeling no matter how petty the reason.


yeah, the guys that support free speech and oppose bending over for russia are the ones that hate the country...nah, p sure it is the gopeons and that orange, impotent manbaby that hate america


as opposed to liberals who get web sites completely shut down in violation of our free speech, who want to silence dissenting opinions COMPLETELY instead of letting them be heard, and try their best to doxx people and get people fired for having the "wrong opinions".

honestly liberals are 1000x worse than conservatives when it comes to silencing people and going against free speech. at least conservatives just get angry about things that liberals say and do. liberals on the other hands actually make sure conservatives can't speak or act in the first place.

or of course just call anyone that disagrees with you a Nazi that way no discussion can ever be had and you can openly persecute them.


stormfront getting shut down has nothing to do with free speech. free speech only applies to the government silencing you, that was the free market at work. if you don't like the free market you are welcome to move to north korea, otherwise you just aren't smart enough to understand the difference in the two


My issue is with the internet and large private corporations that pretty much have monopolies on things, all of a sudden private companies with massive monopolies can shut down peoples platforms and businesses because of political reasons.

The electric company shouldn't be able to deny people power just because they don't like their political views. My insurance company shouldn't have to refuse to cover the damages on my vehicle because I supported Hillary and they wanted Trump. Also it gets into the realm of internet freedom and what is and isn't a right when it comes to the internet.

So no it's not just as simple as "lol free market chump". If you really believe entire websites should be able to be taken down because Google or GoDaddy or Hostgator or some other private company doesn't like their politics you're literally promoting fascism. The ACTUAL definition of fascism.

Address that.
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--kresnik--
09/25/17 1:30:16 PM
#45:


What he kneeled for: attention
What people kneel for now: attention
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De Evolution
09/25/17 1:33:10 PM
#46:


Xelltrix posted...
It's so odd how many people on here seem to have less problems with people who literally identify as Neo-Nazi sympathizers expressing their freedom of speech but simultaneously condemn NFL players for it.


Except nobody is STOPPING NFL players from speaking on what they want. They're CRITICIZING it, not STOPPING it. Just like Nazis can say dumb shit and we can say it's stupid, football players can kneel and we can say it's stupid. Also big difference:

1. NFL players are under contract and are basically employees/agents of the NFL. Them deciding to protest during the game is like if I come to work with pink pussy hat and a big NEVER TRUMP sign. I'm ALLOWED to do it and my employer is ALLOWED to fire me for it.

There's a big difference between what people do on their free time and what they do on their employer/company's time.

Why do liberals and Trump criticizers seem to completely unable to grasp these simple facts? If my employer found out I went to a march over the weekend during my free time and tried to punish me for it would be WAY different than if I actually bring my protest into the workplace.
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Landonio
09/25/17 1:33:37 PM
#47:


--kresnik-- posted...
What he kneeled for: attention
What people kneel for now: attention

LMAO.

Stay out of touch.
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Xelltrix
09/25/17 1:36:16 PM
#48:


No no, I'm saying literally defending their right to protest while condemning NFL players and saying they don't have that right. They obviously clearly do. At any time you have absolute privelege NOT to stand during the pledge. This has nothing to so with their job, they're not currently playing. This is before the match and 100% in their right and yet we have people saying they should be fired for it. This has nothing to so with whether or not you agree with why they're doing, only their right to do it.
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Shadow Don
09/25/17 1:37:33 PM
#49:


TrollSlayer11 posted...
This group that's kneeling now is just reacting to Trump. It has nothing to do with anything except anti-Trump sentiment and false accusations of racism.


They are kneeling because the sitting president called for the firing of his detractors which is wildly inappropriate to those of us who still want to live in a democracy.
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RickyTheBAWSE
09/25/17 1:39:30 PM
#50:


De Evolution posted...
Xelltrix posted...
It's so odd how many people on here seem to have less problems with people who literally identify as Neo-Nazi sympathizers expressing their freedom of speech but simultaneously condemn NFL players for it.


Except nobody is STOPPING NFL players from speaking on what they want. They're CRITICIZING it, not STOPPING it. Just like Nazis can say dumb shit and we can say it's stupid, football players can kneel and we can say it's stupid. Also big difference:

1. NFL players are under contract and are basically employees/agents of the NFL. Them deciding to protest during the game is like if I come to work with pink pussy hat and a big NEVER TRUMP sign. I'm ALLOWED to do it and my employer is ALLOWED to fire me for it.

There's a big difference between what people do on their free time and what they do on their employer/company's time.

Why do liberals and Trump criticizers seem to completely unable to grasp these simple facts? If my employer found out I went to a march over the weekend during my free time and tried to punish me for it would be WAY different than if I actually bring my protest into the workplace.


your last paragraph ruined the rest of your post worse than your already debunked argument.

literally can't tell the difference between White nationalist marching with weapons while preaching rhetoric that has traditionally gotten people killed, and NFL players kneeling during a song that is delaying the game they came to play.
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The left hates this country, so they'll support kneeling no matter how petty the reason.


yeah, the guys that support free speech and oppose bending over for russia are the ones that hate the country...nah, p sure it is the gopeons and that orange, impotent manbaby that hate america


as opposed to liberals who get web sites completely shut down in violation of our free speech, who want to silence dissenting opinions COMPLETELY instead of letting them be heard, and try their best to doxx people and get people fired for having the "wrong opinions".

honestly liberals are 1000x worse than conservatives when it comes to silencing people and going against free speech. at least conservatives just get angry about things that liberals say and do. liberals on the other hands actually make sure conservatives can't speak or act in the first place.

or of course just call anyone that disagrees with you a Nazi that way no discussion can ever be had and you can openly persecute them.


stormfront getting shut down has nothing to do with free speech. free speech only applies to the government silencing you, that was the free market at work. if you don't like the free market you are welcome to move to north korea, otherwise you just aren't smart enough to understand the difference in the two


My issue is with the internet and large private corporations that pretty much have monopolies on things, all of a sudden private companies with massive monopolies can shut down peoples platforms and businesses because of political reasons.

The electric company shouldn't be able to deny people power just because they don't like their political views. My insurance company shouldn't have to refuse to cover the damages on my vehicle because I supported Hillary and they wanted Trump. Also it gets into the realm of internet freedom and what is and isn't a right when it comes to the internet.

So no it's not just as simple as "lol free market chump". If you really believe entire websites should be able to be taken down because Google or GoDaddy or Hostgator or some other private company doesn't like their politics you're literally promoting fascism. The ACTUAL definition of fascism.

Address that.


having power is a basic necessity, being allowed to spout hate speech is a right but no one is obligated to give you a platform, just like if a conservarive run domain wanted to shut down a sjw, there is no problem there at all.

and equating private companies exercising their right in a free market to fascism (which requires the government, not private entities) is the height of intellectual dishonesty. you are better than that lazy false equivalency de evo
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