Current Events > What Kaepernick kneeled for ORIGINALLY & what everyone is kneeling for NOW

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De Evolution posted...

Why do liberals and Trump criticizers seem to completely unable to grasp these simple facts? If my employer found out I went to a march over the weekend during my free time and tried to punish me for it would be WAY different than if I actually bring my protest into the workplace.

Employers can fire you but they certainly shouldn't feel pressure by the president to fire you. Why are you cultists unable to grasp this?
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andel posted...

and equating private companies exercising their right in a free market to fascism (which requires the government, not private entities) is the height of intellectual dishonesty. you are better than that lazy false equivalency de evo

Did you not read my post? I said for POLITICAL reasons.

My insurance company should not be able to ignore my claim and not pay me money because my political affiliation goes against theirs. That would be a form of fascism because its rooted in politics and therefore government.

If Trump made some phone calls to the NFL and actually got players fired you people would be screaming fascism.
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andel posted...

De Evolution posted...

andel posted...

TrollSlayer11 posted...

andel posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

The left hates this country, so they'll support kneeling no matter how petty the reason.

yeah, the guys that support free speech and oppose bending over for russia are the ones that hate the country...nah, p sure it is the gopeons and that orange, impotent manbaby that hate america

as opposed to liberals who get web sites completely shut down in violation of our free speech, who want to silence dissenting opinions COMPLETELY instead of letting them be heard, and try their best to doxx people and get people fired for having the "wrong opinions".

honestly liberals are 1000x worse than conservatives when it comes to silencing people and going against free speech. at least conservatives just get angry about things that liberals say and do. liberals on the other hands actually make sure conservatives can't speak or act in the first place.

or of course just call anyone that disagrees with you a Nazi that way no discussion can ever be had and you can openly persecute them.

stormfront getting shut down has nothing to do with free speech. free speech only applies to the government silencing you, that was the free market at work. if you don't like the free market you are welcome to move to north korea, otherwise you just aren't smart enough to understand the difference in the two

My issue is with the internet and large private corporations that pretty much have monopolies on things, all of a sudden private companies with massive monopolies can shut down peoples platforms and businesses because of political reasons.

The electric company shouldn't be able to deny people power just because they don't like their political views. My insurance company shouldn't have to refuse to cover the damages on my vehicle because I supported Hillary and they wanted Trump. Also it gets into the realm of internet freedom and what is and isn't a right when it comes to the internet.

So no it's not just as simple as "lol free market chump". If you really believe entire websites should be able to be taken down because Google or GoDaddy or Hostgator or some other private company doesn't like their politics you're literally promoting fascism. The ACTUAL definition of fascism.

Address that.

having power is a basic necessity

Who defines what's a basic necessity or not? Some might say that the internet is a necessity in this day and age.

In a time when massive companies have near MONOPOLIES, then the free market has to be limited in what it can or can't do otherwise these massive companies would wield far too much power.
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De Evolution posted...

andel posted...

and equating private companies exercising their right in a free market to fascism (which requires the government, not private entities) is the height of intellectual dishonesty. you are better than that lazy false equivalency de evo

Did you not read my post? I said for POLITICAL reasons.

My insurance company should not be able to ignore my claim and not pay me money because my political affiliation goes against theirs. That would be a form of fascism because its rooted in politics and therefore government.

If Trump made some phone calls to the NFL and actually got players fired you people would be screaming fascism.

your insurance company can't do that. insurance =/= an internet domain. a business owner can refuse service for almost any reason, and being a white nationalist is not a protected class
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why do people try to equate football with their desk jobs? their job is to play football

their job is not to stand up for the national anthem
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Caution999 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

The left hates this country, so they'll support kneeling no matter how petty the reason.

I'm thinking about changing my wallpaper on this account to an American Flag just to see how much it pisses them off.

No one ever looks at that. I haven't seen account wallpaper since after I got warned for making mine a picture that just had the word "penis" spammed over and over.
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andel posted...

. a business owner can refuse service for almost any reason, and being a white nationalist is not a protected class

So why can't my insurance company refuse to cover me under this logic?
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Shadow Don posted...

De Evolution posted...

Why do liberals and Trump criticizers seem to completely unable to grasp these simple facts? If my employer found out I went to a march over the weekend during my free time and tried to punish me for it would be WAY different than if I actually bring my protest into the workplace.

Employers can fire you but they certainly shouldn't feel pressure by the president to fire you. Why are you cultists unable to grasp this?

President Trump never forced, asked, pressured, or coerced anyone into firing a player. Why are you saltmines unable to grasp this?
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Mr_MacPhisto posted...

Shadow Don posted...

De Evolution posted...

Why do liberals and Trump criticizers seem to completely unable to grasp these simple facts? If my employer found out I went to a march over the weekend during my free time and tried to punish me for it would be WAY different than if I actually bring my protest into the workplace.

Employers can fire you but they certainly shouldn't feel pressure by the president to fire you. Why are you cultists unable to grasp this?

President Trump never forced, asked, pressured, or coerced anyone into firing a player. Why are you saltmines unable to grasp this?

If he didn't use those verbs, which verb(s) did he use?
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

thompsontalker7 posted...

VipaGTS posted...

...I related your comment to Trump because you directly quoted a post about him and that comment Tree was about Trump..

I felt the same way about the knees for police oppression, too. They can do it all they want, but if nothing is being done outside of that it's a meaningless gesture, same with Trump. You can piss him off all you want, but the victory is a pyrrhic one unless anything meaningful comes out of it.

tell me... what is the solution for citizens who feel like police misconduct is plaguing their communities?

preferably something that hasn't already been tried. if it was tried before and we're still here, obviously that's not the alternative solution.

what is?

First, when a situation happens where police misconduct is suspected, wait for the facts to come out.

Second, if the most likely situation happens and it turns out to be a cop doing his job, don't literally make up lies like 'hands up don't shoot' so you can feign outrage. Instead, speak out and ultimately act on the criminal elements in your own community that kills EXPONENTIALLY more black people than cops. This will in turn lower police interaction causing civilian deaths.

Third, in the scenario where there is legitimate police misconduct, demand accountability from the police department, police unions, and city hall. Demand that laws negating police responsibility be repealed. Demand that police no longer be trained to see general citizens as threats instead of employers. Demand that law enforcement adopt more European policies, such as day-glow paint on cruisers and an elimination of hiding for speed traps.
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mortimerjames posted...

why do people try to equate football with their desk jobs? their job is to play football

their job is not to stand up for the national anthem

It's literally in the NFL rule book to stand, though.
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darkjedilink posted...

mortimerjames posted...

why do people try to equate football with their desk jobs? their job is to play football

their job is not to stand up for the national anthem

It's literally in the NFL rule book to stand, though.

It literally only came about in the last 8 years when the NFL tried to use its players as role models to recruit people for the military.

"Get your politics out of my sports. Whoops, I mean uh.."
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darkjedilink posted...

mortimerjames posted...

why do people try to equate football with their desk jobs? their job is to play football

their job is not to stand up for the national anthem

It's literally in the NFL rule book to stand, though.

no it isn't.
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De Evolution posted...

andel posted...

. a business owner can refuse service for almost any reason, and being a white nationalist is not a protected class

So why can't my insurance company refuse to cover me under this logic?

because if you are paying a premium you have a contractual agreement with them, they can't drop you for political views. if i run a bakery and you come in with a swastika armband i can refuse you service. this is the free market, this is capitalism
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

tell me... what is the solution for citizens who feel like police misconduct is plaguing their communities?

Actively attend town hall meetings and get involved politically. Actually work to change the system from within rather than just bitching and waiting for someone else to fix the problems for you.

Of course, when you're too lazy to even vote like Kaepernick was, you have no chance at making a difference and should be disregarded as a joke. Which is what he is.
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The Admiral posted...

Actually work to change the system from within

Sometimes trying to change the system from within results not in you changing the system, but in the system changing you. That's why almost every hope & change candidate in office ends up being more of the same.
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That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

Actually work to change the system from within

Sometimes trying to change the system from within results not in you changing the system, but in the system changing you. That's why almost every hope & change candidate in office ends up being more of the same.

What the hell kind of excuse is that?
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The Admiral posted...

That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

Actually work to change the system from within

Sometimes trying to change the system from within results not in you changing the system, but in the system changing you. That's why almost every hope & change candidate in office ends up being more of the same.

What the hell kind of excuse is that?

It means you're being naive. The system can't always successfully (or more efficiently) be changed from the inside, and there is more than one way to enact change.
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Wait so instead of protesting Kaep should be trying to get into politics? Why does he have to do anything besides protest?
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mortimerjames posted...

Wait so instead of protesting Kaep should be trying to get into politics? Why does he have to do anything besides protest?

Ricky asked what citizens can do.

What Kaepernick should have done was vote or at least not be a fucking idiot and advertise that he didn't. The fact that people like him are completely cynical about government is a large reason why they're ineffective at doing anything to fix it.
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The Admiral posted...

What Kaepernick should have done was vote or at least not be a fucking idiot and advertise that he didn't.

How does one vote when one of their complaints is about how each candidate is useless and will not enact the type of change they wish to see?
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When he first started the protest it was "maybe try fixing your OWN community first! put your money where your mouth is you rich entitled athlete!"....Then they found out he did that and has been doing that for awhile..now its "well maybe vote next time, dumbass!"...and if he decides to vote next year they'll think up a new excuse to blame him for nothing getting done while not at all looking at themselves or the Government as a whole.
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VipaGTS posted...

When he first started the protest it was "maybe try fixing your OWN community first! put your money where your mouth is you rich entitled athlete!"....Then they found out he did that and has been doing that for awhile..now its "well maybe vote next time, dumbass!"...and if he decides to vote next year they'll think up a new excuse to blame him for nothing getting done while not at all looking at themselves or the Government as a whole.

This.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/387565483303923712

Maybe Trump should read his past tweets and take his own advice.
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That_Happened posted...

The Admiral posted...

What Kaepernick should have done was vote or at least not be a fucking idiot and advertise that he didn't.

How does one vote when one of their complaints is about how each candidate is useless and will not enact the type of change they wish to see?

The presidential candidates are not the only thing on the ballot. There are judicial nominees on there, something that might be relevant to a person whose cause it, you know, criminal justice reform.
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I agree that Kaep was an idiot for equating Hillary and Trump and using that a justification for not voting, he's part of the reason Trump won

But from day one he's been using his platform to bring attention to an issue, if thats all he wanted to do and did I don't see a problem with it. He's a football player not MLK.
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VipaGTS posted...

When he first started the protest it was "maybe try fixing your OWN community first! put your money where your mouth is you rich entitled athlete!"....Then they found out he did that and has been doing that for awhile..now its "well maybe vote next time, dumbass!"...and if he decides to vote next year they'll think up a new excuse to blame him for nothing getting done while not at all looking at themselves or the Government as a whole.

Except he hasn't been trying to fix his community. He's done good work for charity, sure, but none of that has been for crime prevention.

He's done literally nothing to save the lives of black people.
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darkjedilink posted...

He's done literally nothing to save the lives of black people.

Literally donated to anti-violence organizations, organizations about police brutality, organizations for the homeless, organizations for african americans who have been jailed or their families and to end mass incarceration, organizations to end privatization of prisons, organizations for reforming people who were once part of hate groups, direct support to families that were affected by gang violence, and so on. ALL of that is related to crime prevention.

So if you've got a defense for this bullshit lie of yours, I'd love to hear it.
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darkjedilink posted...

VipaGTS posted...

When he first started the protest it was "maybe try fixing your OWN community first! put your money where your mouth is you rich entitled athlete!"....Then they found out he did that and has been doing that for awhile..now its "well maybe vote next time, dumbass!"...and if he decides to vote next year they'll think up a new excuse to blame him for nothing getting done while not at all looking at themselves or the Government as a whole.

Except he hasn't been trying to fix his community. He's done good work for charity, sure, but none of that has been for crime prevention.

He's done literally nothing to save the lives of black people.

How many goalposts are you buffoons going to move?
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%u201CThe black community needs to do more about black crime...that community stuff doesnt count!%u201D

Do you people listen to yourself? What do you want him to do? Hes involved in groups that help youth avoid crime through community and education. He once passed out suits outside a parole office intending to help this individuals get better jobs to get them off the streets..what are you expecting him to do personally about crime? Id like to hear it.
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VipaGTS posted...

.what are you expecting him to do personally about crime?

They want him to become a masked vigilante with a cape who goes around personally fighting criminals
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Antifar posted...

VipaGTS posted...

.what are you expecting him to do personally about crime?

They want him to become a masked vigilante with a cape who goes around personally fighting criminals

The Kaep'd Krusader.
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andel posted...

De Evolution posted...

andel posted...

. a business owner can refuse service for almost any reason, and being a white nationalist is not a protected class

So why can't my insurance company refuse to cover me under this logic?

because if you are paying a premium you have a contractual agreement with them, they can't drop you for political views. if i run a bakery and you come in with a swastika armband i can refuse you service. this is the free market, this is capitalism

But a website that pays monthly/yearly fees and has a contractual agreement with a domain hosting company can be shut down for their political views
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Political views are not protected in American law as best I know. Race, gender, and religion are.

You can't deny someone service for being white or Christian, you can deny service to white supremacists.
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Why do people keep labeling people being rightfully upset with racism and unarmed human beings being killed by the state, them "getting political".

It's basic human and civil rights.
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NFL players are getting away with it because a large percentage of the population supports it. If you dont like the direction the country its in your right protest via the first amendment even if its dumb. Thats what patriotism is all about. Forcing NFL players to comply is nationalism. Theres a big difference between between patriotism and nationalism. Nationalists stand by their country right or wrong. Patriotism calls it out when the country is heading the wrong the direction.
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Landonio posted...

Why do people keep labeling people being rightfully upset with racism and unarmed human beings being killed by the state, them "getting political".

It's basic human and civil rights.

And it's not a human right to engage in protest or activism without consequences.

MLK Jr was jailed several times for public disobedience. He engaged in protest KNOWING he could get punished for it.

Why do fucking liberals believe that just because they protest for a cause they believe is just, that they are ENTITLED to do so without consequence?

If I come to my PLACE OF WORK protesting police violence, it's my right to do so. My employer then has the right to fire my ass.
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Good old leftists.


Trump and right wingers gripe about NFL players on Twitter and say they should be fired = "omg! Why do they want to violate their freedom of speech!?"

Antifa violence/destruction causes conservative speakers at public universities to be uninvited and the universities tell police to stand down during riots= "lol not the government so nothing to do with free speech learn 2 constitution"
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Can we get technical? Because its not required to stand for the National Anthem, so why should they be fired?
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De Evolution posted...

Landonio posted...

Why do people keep labeling people being rightfully upset with racism and unarmed human beings being killed by the state, them "getting political".

It's basic human and civil rights.

And it's not a human right to engage in protest or activism without consequences.

MLK Jr was jailed several times for public disobedience. He engaged in protest KNOWING he could get punished for it.

Why do fucking liberals believe that just because they protest for a cause they believe is just, that they are ENTITLED to do so without consequence?

If I come to my PLACE OF WORK protesting police violence, it's my right to do so. My employer then has the right to fire my ass.

1. When did I say was liberal.
2. It's not a black and white issue (no pun intended). They're not kneeling for Taco Tuesday. They're kneeling for, once again, basic human and civil rights and equality. Something everything should get behind. If you're not, you're a horrible human being.
3. The average workplace isn't going to care that much about something like that (or at least they shouldn't) unless they're racist. The NFL is different. Millions of people have a window into these people's workplace. The primary reason the NFL owners care and won't hire Kaepernick is because they don't want the bad press or it to hurt ticket sales. It's about MONEY. Bottom line.
4. It's not in their job description to stand for the anthem. It's also not happening during the 60 minutes when the actual game is going on. The game is not being compromised or hindered at all.
5. It's completely peaceful and not harming anyone.
6. I still don't understand why the national anthem is played at sporting events to begin with.
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That_Happened posted...

darkjedilink posted...

He's done literally nothing to save the lives of black people.

Literally donated to anti-violence organizations, organizations about police brutality, organizations for the homeless, organizations for african americans who have been jailed or their families and to end mass incarceration, organizations to end privatization of prisons, organizations for reforming people who were once part of hate groups, direct support to families that were affected by gang violence, and so on. ALL of that is related to crime prevention.

So if you've got a defense for this bullshit lie of yours, I'd love to hear it.

and he was never seen again.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Good old leftists.


Trump and right wingers gripe about NFL players on Twitter and say they should be fired = "omg! Why do they want to violate their freedom of speech!?"

Antifa violence/destruction causes conservative speakers at public universities to be uninvited and the universities tell police to stand down during riots= "lol not the government so nothing to do with free speech learn 2 constitution"

Shame really. Both sides are denying freedom of speech. Antifia has hijacked liberalism and lefities are willing to turn a blind eye. Party over country is becoming the new standard.
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Landonio posted...

De Evolution posted...

Landonio posted...

Why do people keep labeling people being rightfully upset with racism and unarmed human beings being killed by the state, them "getting political".

It's basic human and civil rights.

And it's not a human right to engage in protest or activism without consequences.

MLK Jr was jailed several times for public disobedience. He engaged in protest KNOWING he could get punished for it.

Why do fucking liberals believe that just because they protest for a cause they believe is just, that they are ENTITLED to do so without consequence?

If I come to my PLACE OF WORK protesting police violence, it's my right to do so. My employer then has the right to fire my ass.

1. When did I say was liberal.
2. It's not a black and white issue (no pun intended). They're not kneeling for Taco Tuesday. They're kneeling for, once again, basic human and civil rights and equality. Something everything should get behind. If you're not, you're a horrible human being.
3. The average workplace isn't going to care that much about something like that (or at least they shouldn't) unless they're racist. The NFL is different. Millions of people have a window into these people's workplace. The primary reason the NFL owners care and won't hire Kaepernick is because they don't want the bad press or it to hurt ticket sales. It's about MONEY. Bottom line.
4. It's not in their job description to stand for the anthem. It's also not happening during the 60 minutes when the actual game is going on.
5. It's completely peaceful and not harming anyone.
6. I still don't understand why the national anthem is played at sporting events to begin with.

You're arguing opinions. I'm arguing facts.

Freedom of protest doesn't equate to freedom from consequence of protest.

Also saying they're "kneeling for human rights" is completely subjective and based on opinion. It's a completely emotional statement that doesn't say anything concrete or substantive. Typical liberal tactic of emotional appeal.

Saying "but it doesn't harm anyone" doesn't mean shit. It's a useless statement. If the owners/managers CHOOSE they can punish the players, most of which they have by the balls on their contracts. You understand it's about money for these NFL teams but then you go on to cry about human rights and how anyone who disagrees with it is a piece of shit (more of that liberal logic).

Also how do you know what's in their "job description"? These are leagues where players get fined tens of thousands for doing certain dances in the end zone.

At the end of the day, you can whine all you want about what YOU think is human rights and what this protest represents, but it's not some divine right. You act like these players are fighting a Holy War by taking a knee during the national anthem. It's so sad and pathetic that people equate this nonsense to "human rights and decency".

The original Kaepernick protest, like OP stated, was about police brutality. This new protest is just about dick swinging and getting back at Trump. It's hilarious to me how clowns like you use emotional appeals and compare this to a "battle for human rights".
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cerealbox760 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Good old leftists.


Trump and right wingers gripe about NFL players on Twitter and say they should be fired = "omg! Why do they want to violate their freedom of speech!?"

Antifa violence/destruction causes conservative speakers at public universities to be uninvited and the universities tell police to stand down during riots= "lol not the government so nothing to do with free speech learn 2 constitution"

Shame really. Both sides are denying freedom of speech. Antifia has hijacked liberalism and lefities are willing to turn a blind eye. Party over country is becoming the new standard.

When did conservatives or Trump supporters ever DENY freedom of speech?

Go ahead, I'll wait.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUFiH-CyDJA
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De Evolution posted...

If the owners/managers CHOOSE they can punish the players

Nope, I mean the Commissioner just suspended a player and he's still playing.
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DifferentialEquation posted...

Good old leftists.


Trump and right wingers gripe about NFL players on Twitter and say they should be fired = "omg! Why do they want to violate their freedom of speech!?"

Antifa violence/destruction causes conservative speakers at public universities to be uninvited and the universities tell police to stand down during riots= "lol not the government so nothing to do with free speech learn 2 constitution"

This is delusional.
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100 super civil post in this topic
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De Evolution posted...

cerealbox760 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Good old leftists.


Trump and right wingers gripe about NFL players on Twitter and say they should be fired = "omg! Why do they want to violate their freedom of speech!?"

Antifa violence/destruction causes conservative speakers at public universities to be uninvited and the universities tell police to stand down during riots= "lol not the government so nothing to do with free speech learn 2 constitution"

Shame really. Both sides are denying freedom of speech. Antifia has hijacked liberalism and lefities are willing to turn a blind eye. Party over country is becoming the new standard.

When did conservatives or Trump supporters ever DENY freedom of speech?

Go ahead, I'll wait.

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De Evolution posted...

De Evolution posted...

cerealbox760 posted...

DifferentialEquation posted...

Good old leftists.


Trump and right wingers gripe about NFL players on Twitter and say they should be fired = "omg! Why do they want to violate their freedom of speech!?"

Antifa violence/destruction causes conservative speakers at public universities to be uninvited and the universities tell police to stand down during riots= "lol not the government so nothing to do with free speech learn 2 constitution"

Shame really. Both sides are denying freedom of speech. Antifia has hijacked liberalism and lefities are willing to turn a blind eye. Party over country is becoming the new standard.

When did conservatives or Trump supporters ever DENY freedom of speech?

Go ahead, I'll wait.

Easy. Open a history book. Its not all rainbows and ponies with conservatives.
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