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Antifar 09/21/17 1:12:46 PM #1:	Among Republicans. https://theintercept.com/2017/09/21/free-college-tuition-republicans-bernie-sanders/ BERNIE SANDERS’S PLAN to make tuition free at all public colleges and universities is becoming a mainstream position in the Democratic Party. But the plan has appeal far beyond the Democratic faithful. A Morning Consult poll conducted in mid-September finds that a plurality of self-identified Republicans now agree with a “proposal to make four-year public colleges and universities tuition-free,” as the question is worded. Forty-seven percent of Republican respondents say they strongly or somewhat support the proposal, while 45 percent say they strongly or somewhat oppose it. Seven percent say they don’t know or have no opinion. Among self-identified tea party backers, support is also strong — with 50 percent saying they support the proposal while 49 percent oppose it. Overall, 63 percent of Americans support the proposal, while 29 percent oppose it. Congress, meanwhile, has no problem spending the kind of money it would take to make the proposal a reality. Earlier this week, the Senate approved a military policy bill that included an increase in funding for the military so large that it alone could fund free college. Commenting on the poll, the right-wing website HotAir laments the possibility that our incumbent president may learn how popular social democratic policy is: “A lot of Republicans want their free shit too. God forbid Trump figures that out.” The poll also shows support for a number of cutting-edge social spending proposals. For instance, 43 percent of Americans said they support a universal basic income, versus 39 percent who are opposed. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:887019090] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote>Among Republicans. https://theintercept.com/2017/09/21/free-college-tuition-republicans-bernie-sanders/ <quote>BERNIE SANDERS’S PLAN to make tuition free at all public colleges and universities is becoming a mainstream position in the Democratic Party. But the plan has appeal far beyond the Democratic faithful. A Morning Consult poll conducted in mid-September finds that a plurality of self-identified Republicans now agree with a “proposal to make four-year public colleges and universities tuition-free,” as the question is worded. Forty-seven percent of Republican respondents say they strongly or somewhat support the proposal, while 45 percent say they strongly or somewhat oppose it. Seven percent say they don’t know or have no opinion. Among self-identified tea party backers, support is also strong — with 50 percent saying they support the proposal while 49 percent oppose it. Overall, 63 percent of Americans support the proposal, while 29 percent oppose it. Congress, meanwhile, has no problem spending the kind of money it would take to make the proposal a reality. Earlier this week, the Senate approved a military policy bill that included an increase in funding for the military so large that it alone could fund free college. Commenting on the poll, the right-wing website HotAir laments the possibility that our incumbent president may learn how popular social democratic policy is: “A lot of Republicans want their free shit too. God forbid Trump figures that out.” The poll also shows support for a number of cutting-edge social spending proposals. For instance, 43 percent of Americans said they support a universal basic income, versus 39 percent who are opposed.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/21/17 1:13:29 PM #2:	would this include student loan forgiveness for students who already graduated from public universities? <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:887019136] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote>would this include student loan forgiveness for students who already graduated from public universities?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 09/21/17 1:13:40 PM #3:	not that there's any correlation between popular support for a plan and it actually happening http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download;jsessionid=E2DC51768E60EC3FD879B9740346BDA2?doi=10.1.1.668.8647&rep=rep1&type=pdf --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:887019144] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote>not that there's any correlation between popular support for a plan and it actually happening http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download;jsessionid=E2DC51768E60EC3FD879B9740346BDA2?doi=10.1.1.668.8647&rep=rep1&type=pdf</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
C_Pain 09/21/17 1:14:28 PM #4:	so who is gonna pay for it? --- Troll & Joke Account Talent Representation Please inquiry below <cite>C_Pain posted [p:887019198] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote>so who is gonna pay for it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 09/21/17 1:15:18 PM #5:	Just because people want it, that doesn't mean you can give it. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 26, 500th posts: 16; PiO ATTN: 2 Thank the lord, the PiOverlord! RotM wins 1 <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:887019242] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote>Just because people want it, that doesn't mean you can give it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 09/21/17 1:15:19 PM #6:	Darkman124 posted... not that there's any correlation between popular support for a plan and it actually happening Naturally. The two major parties and the federal government do a poor job of reflecting popular opinion --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:887019243] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>not that there's any correlation between popular support for a plan and it actually happening </quote> Naturally. The two major parties and the federal government do a poor job of reflecting popular opinion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Letron_James 09/21/17 1:15:35 PM #7:	im guessing the 45% are people who already graduated or are too rich to care either way --- Ask me if I would eat da booty. <cite>Letron_James posted [p:887019262] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote>im guessing the 45% are people who already graduated or are too rich to care either way</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/21/17 1:15:37 PM #8:	C_Pain posted... so who is gonna pay for it? taxpayers who are saddled with student loans, in all likeliness <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:887019264] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>C_Pain posted...</cite> <quote>so who is gonna pay for it?</quote> taxpayers who are saddled with student loans, in all likeliness</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 09/21/17 1:15:46 PM #9:	Would this include retro paybacks for those of us who have paid off student loans? --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif http://i.imgur.com/kU5vu5N.png Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:887019274] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote>Would this include retro paybacks for those of us who have paid off student loans?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Drpooplol 09/21/17 1:17:45 PM #11:	I won't support any plans for this until these plans limit administration costs and regulate tuition costs. Until then Free College plans are just feeding a forever-hungry beast. --- Oops, I dropped my monster condom, that I use for my Magnum dong <cite>Drpooplol posted [p:887019387] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote>I won't support any plans for this until these plans limit administration costs and regulate tuition costs. Until then Free College plans are just feeding a forever-hungry beast.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ForestLogic 09/21/17 1:20:51 PM #12:	FLUFFYGERM posted... would this include student loan forgiveness for students who already graduated from public universities? This. I will never support people getting free tuition as long as I'm still expected to pay for the one I had in the post. --- AKA Level 36 ForestWanderer / ObjectiveLogic http://www.poorcouplesfoodguide.com - Pizza Time! <cite>ForestLogic posted [p:887019553] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>would this include student loan forgiveness for students who already graduated from public universities?</quote> This. I will never support people getting free tuition as long as I'm still expected to pay for the one I had in the post.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/21/17 1:23:37 PM #13:	Darkman124 posted... not that there's any correlation between popular support for a plan and it actually happening http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download;jsessionid=E2DC51768E60EC3FD879B9740346BDA2?doi=10.1.1.668.8647&rep=rep1&type=pdf one thing I've never noticed before is that this seems to be saying that the average citizens' preferences and the economic elites preferences are highly correlated (Table 2) --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:887019733] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote>not that there's any correlation between popular support for a plan and it actually happening http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download;jsessionid=E2DC51768E60EC3FD879B9740346BDA2?doi=10.1.1.668.8647&rep=rep1&type=pdf</quote> one thing I've never noticed before is that this seems to be saying that the average citizens' preferences and the economic elites preferences are highly correlated (Table 2)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Santorin 09/21/17 1:28:49 PM #14:	What is "free" --- I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided; and that is the lamp of experience. Patrick Henry <cite>Santorin posted [p:887020043] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote>What is "free"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 09/21/17 1:31:08 PM #15:	ForestLogic posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... would this include student loan forgiveness for students who already graduated from public universities? This. I will never support people getting free tuition as long as I'm still expected to pay for the one I had in the post. Honest question. Do people generally expect this type of grandfathering(?) Or compensation for a type of similar program that comes into place? --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:887020173] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>ForestLogic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote> would this include student loan forgiveness for students who already graduated from public universities?</quote> This. I will never support people getting free tuition as long as I'm still expected to pay for the one I had in the post.</quote> Honest question. Do people generally expect this type of grandfathering(?) Or compensation for a type of similar program that comes into place?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Admiral 09/21/17 1:31:21 PM #16:	I'd be for this if there was a serious crackdown on the massively inflated cost of college education. Right now, no thanks. --- - The Admiral <cite>The Admiral posted [p:887020185] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote>I'd be for this if there was a serious crackdown on the massively inflated cost of college education. Right now, no thanks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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shmirlywhirl 09/21/17 1:37:07 PM #19:	I have a 6 figure income and I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it meant more people went to university (if that's the path they want) --- Now with 100% real fruit juice <cite>shmirlywhirl posted [p:887020495] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote>I have a 6 figure income and I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it meant more people went to university (if that's the path they want)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
REMercsChamp 09/21/17 1:37:30 PM #20:	Why not just have free everything? Why have to pay for anything at all? We are human beings after all, aren't we? Why do we have to pay for things? --- https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/35939727.jpg <cite>REMercsChamp posted [p:887020516] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote>Why not just have free everything? Why have to pay for anything at all? We are human beings after all, aren't we? Why do we have to pay for things?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/21/17 1:39:12 PM #21:	shmirlywhirl posted... I have a 6 figure income and I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it meant more people went to university (if that's the path they want) what about the people who do mind <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:887020631] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>shmirlywhirl posted...</cite> <quote>I have a 6 figure income and I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it meant more people went to university (if that's the path they want)</quote> what about the people who do mind</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 09/21/17 1:41:01 PM #22:	This, too. It isn't free. Politicians who call it "free" college should face fraud charges for deceiving the public. votes for you for president --- http://backloggery.com/devsbro/sig.gif http://i.imgur.com/kU5vu5N.png Never pepper popcorn <cite>DevsBro posted [p:887020750] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><quote>This, too. It isn't free. Politicians who call it "free" college should face fraud charges for deceiving the public.</quote> votes for you for president</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/21/17 1:41:06 PM #23:	emblem boy posted... Honest question. Do people generally expect this type of grandfathering(?) Or compensation for a type of similar program that comes into place? I don't think there are any good comparisons, this thing where people take on massive amounts of debt to finance their lives is really new. It has sort of existed with home ownership for a while, but the barriers to access there are different and the protections around it are better and the old people who bought their houses before gubmint got involved probably did bitch about it, it was just so long ago no one remembers --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:887020758] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>Honest question. Do people generally expect this type of grandfathering(?) Or compensation for a type of similar program that comes into place?</quote> I don't think there are any good comparisons, this thing where people take on massive amounts of debt to finance their lives is really new. It has sort of existed with home ownership for a while, but the barriers to access there are different and the protections around it are better and the old people who bought their houses before gubmint got involved probably did bitch about it, it was just so long ago no one remembers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shmirlywhirl 09/21/17 1:42:01 PM #24:	FLUFFYGERM posted... shmirlywhirl posted... I have a 6 figure income and I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it meant more people went to university (if that's the path they want) what about the people who do mind Get the heck over it? We already have more than enough money. What happened to making America great again? --- Now with 100% real fruit juice <cite>shmirlywhirl posted [p:887020808] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shmirlywhirl posted...</cite> <quote>I have a 6 figure income and I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it meant more people went to university (if that's the path they want)</quote> what about the people who do mind</quote> Get the heck over it? We already have more than enough money. What happened to making America great again?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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prettyprincess 09/21/17 1:52:47 PM #26:	I think any country should want to educate its citizens if that entails a more regimented courseload and an examination of internal spending then all for it --- And in an infinite regress, tell me, why is the pain of birth lighter borne than the pain of death? http://www.last.fm/user/followthegospel <cite>prettyprincess posted [p:887021427] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote>I think any country should want to educate its citizens if that entails a more regimented courseload and an examination of internal spending then all for it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 09/21/17 1:56:18 PM #28:	Santorin posted... What is "free" All it costs is the total and absolute collapse of the US economy. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:887021636] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Santorin posted...</cite> <quote>What is "free"</quote> All it costs is the total and absolute collapse of the US economy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 09/21/17 1:56:31 PM #29:	byron posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... shmirlywhirl posted... I have a 6 figure income and I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it meant more people went to university (if that's the path they want) what about the people who do mind What about the people who don't want to pay for the bloated defense program? The amount we just increased the defense budget by would cover free college and then some --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:887021654] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>byron posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shmirlywhirl posted...</cite> <quote>I have a 6 figure income and I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it meant more people went to university (if that's the path they want)</quote> what about the people who do mind</quote> What about the people who don't want to pay for the bloated defense program?</quote> The amount we just increased the defense budget by would cover free college and then some</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
shmirlywhirl 09/21/17 1:57:51 PM #30:	GregShmedley posted... Who is "we?" The people living in the US making over $100,000 as a yearly salary. Because the way the other poster responded I had assumed they also had similar earnings. --- Now with 100% real fruit juice <cite>shmirlywhirl posted [p:887021725] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>GregShmedley posted...</cite> <quote>Who is "we?"</quote> The people living in the US making over $100,000 as a yearly salary. Because the way the other poster responded I had assumed they also had similar earnings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/21/17 1:58:14 PM #31:	shmirlywhirl posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... shmirlywhirl posted... I have a 6 figure income and I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it meant more people went to university (if that's the path they want) what about the people who do mind Get the heck over it? We already have more than enough money. What happened to making America great again? why is it your business whether or not other people have more than enough money? how did you get to that conclusion? <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:887021745] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>shmirlywhirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shmirlywhirl posted...</cite> <quote>I have a 6 figure income and I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it meant more people went to university (if that's the path they want)</quote> what about the people who do mind</quote> Get the heck over it? We already have more than enough money. What happened to making America great again?</quote> why is it your business whether or not other people have more than enough money? how did you get to that conclusion?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/21/17 1:58:17 PM #32:	Antifar posted... The amount we just increased the defense budget by would cover free college and then some Hmm, seems unlikely. I don't know the exact numbers, but we already spend around $70 billion every year on various student aid programs, and we just increased the military budget by $80 billion yearly right? --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:887021748] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>The amount we just increased the defense budget by would cover free college and then some</quote> Hmm, seems unlikely. I don't know the exact numbers, but we already spend around $70 billion every year on various student aid programs, and we just increased the military budget by $80 billion yearly right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 09/21/17 1:59:25 PM #33:	Antifar posted... byron posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... shmirlywhirl posted... I have a 6 figure income and I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it meant more people went to university (if that's the path they want) what about the people who do mind What about the people who don't want to pay for the bloated defense program? The amount we just increased the defense budget by would cover free college and then some Define "free college" here. Do you mean free in-state public colleges or private universities? Because there's a significant difference in cost between the two. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:887021817] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote><cite>byron posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shmirlywhirl posted...</cite> <quote>I have a 6 figure income and I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it meant more people went to university (if that's the path they want)</quote> what about the people who do mind</quote> What about the people who don't want to pay for the bloated defense program?</quote> The amount we just increased the defense budget by would cover free college and then some</quote> Define "free college" here. Do you mean free in-state public colleges or private universities? Because there's a significant difference in cost between the two.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/21/17 1:59:29 PM #34:	byron posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... shmirlywhirl posted... I have a 6 figure income and I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it meant more people went to university (if that's the path they want) what about the people who do mind What about the people who don't want to pay for the bloated defense program? move to a country that doesn't receive help from america's military budget? lobby to reduce the military budget? suck it up since military spending is necessary? <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:887021820] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>byron posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shmirlywhirl posted...</cite> <quote>I have a 6 figure income and I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it meant more people went to university (if that's the path they want)</quote> what about the people who do mind</quote> What about the people who don't want to pay for the bloated defense program?</quote> move to a country that doesn't receive help from america's military budget? lobby to reduce the military budget? suck it up since military spending is necessary?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
John_Galt 09/21/17 1:59:57 PM #35:	In the past the TC has posted "polls" that show overwhelming support for single payer. Then we saw what happened in Colorado. Nothing to see here, folks --- Who is John Galt? <cite>John_Galt posted [p:887021842] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote>In the past the TC has posted "polls" that show overwhelming support for single payer. Then we saw what happened in Colorado. Nothing to see here, folks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DoomSwell 09/21/17 2:01:53 PM #37:	fenderbender321 posted... Why is it so bad for people to just pay for their college themselves? They're the ones getting the benefit and rewards of it. A guy who never goes to college shouldn't have to pay taxes so that other people can. It just makes no sense. Because people shouldn't be put in an overpriced lifetime debt over a risk of something that might not land them a job in today's economy. It's also getting to the point where you can't get a job without college either which is also not fair. "But life isn't fair", Then be the change you wanna see mothercucker. Also, this... --- http://www.backloggery.com/doomswell <cite>DoomSwell posted [p:887021949] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>fenderbender321 posted...</cite> <quote>Why is it so bad for people to just pay for their college themselves? They're the ones getting the benefit and rewards of it. A guy who never goes to college shouldn't have to pay taxes so that other people can. It just makes no sense.</quote> Because people shouldn't be put in an overpriced lifetime debt over a risk of something that might not land them a job in today's economy. It's also getting to the point where you can't get a job without college either which is also not fair. "But life isn't fair", Then be the change you wanna see mothercucker. Also, this... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Russians 09/21/17 2:02:02 PM #38:	emblem boy posted... ForestLogic posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... would this include student loan forgiveness for students who already graduated from public universities? This. I will never support people getting free tuition as long as I'm still expected to pay for the one I had in the post. Honest question. Do people generally expect this type of grandfathering(?) Or compensation for a type of similar program that comes into place? Entitled people do. <cite>The_Russians posted [p:887021960] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ForestLogic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote> would this include student loan forgiveness for students who already graduated from public universities?</quote> This. I will never support people getting free tuition as long as I'm still expected to pay for the one I had in the post.</quote> Honest question. Do people generally expect this type of grandfathering(?) Or compensation for a type of similar program that comes into place?</quote> Entitled people do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/21/17 2:02:52 PM #39:	byron posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... byron posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... shmirlywhirl posted... I have a 6 figure income and I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it meant more people went to university (if that's the path they want) what about the people who do mind What about the people who don't want to pay for the bloated defense program? move to a country that doesn't receive help from america's military budget? lobby to reduce the military budget? suck it up since military spending is necessary? So if we make public college free then you'll do those same things? absolutely, except i don't think public college being free is a necessity <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:887022003] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>byron posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>byron posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>shmirlywhirl posted...</cite> <quote>I have a 6 figure income and I wouldn't mind paying higher taxes if it meant more people went to university (if that's the path they want)</quote> what about the people who do mind</quote> What about the people who don't want to pay for the bloated defense program?</quote> move to a country that doesn't receive help from america's military budget? lobby to reduce the military budget? suck it up since military spending is necessary?</quote> So if we make public college free then you'll do those same things?</quote> absolutely, except i don't think public college being free is a necessity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 09/21/17 2:03:21 PM #40:	The_Russians posted... emblem boy posted... ForestLogic posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... would this include student loan forgiveness for students who already graduated from public universities? This. I will never support people getting free tuition as long as I'm still expected to pay for the one I had in the post. Honest question. Do people generally expect this type of grandfathering(?) Or compensation for a type of similar program that comes into place? Entitled people do. how is it entitled to not want to pay higher taxes if we already have to pay student loans <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:887022030] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Russians posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ForestLogic posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote> would this include student loan forgiveness for students who already graduated from public universities?</quote> This. I will never support people getting free tuition as long as I'm still expected to pay for the one I had in the post.</quote> Honest question. Do people generally expect this type of grandfathering(?) Or compensation for a type of similar program that comes into place?</quote> Entitled people do.</quote> how is it entitled to not want to pay higher taxes if we already have to pay student loans</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 09/21/17 2:03:31 PM #41:	The_Russians posted... Entitled people do. It's not entitled to expect the rest of the world to pay for your education, but it IS entitled to expect to have your own school debt covered by the same process that is paying off other people's debt? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:887022039] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>The_Russians posted...</cite> <quote> Entitled people do.</quote> It's not entitled to expect the rest of the world to pay for your education, but it IS entitled to expect to have your own school debt covered by the same process that is paying off other people's debt?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anteaterking 09/21/17 2:04:57 PM #43:	emblem boy posted... Honest question. Do people generally expect this type of grandfathering(?) Or compensation for a type of similar program that comes into place? I think you could expect a loose sort of grandfathering to help people who currently have student loans, but there's no reason to "pay back" everyone who has ever paid a student loan off. --- http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b136/Anteaterking/scan00021.jpg <cite>Anteaterking posted [p:887022134] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote>Honest question. Do people generally expect this type of grandfathering(?) Or compensation for a type of similar program that comes into place?</quote> I think you could expect a loose sort of grandfathering to help people who currently have student loans, but there's no reason to "pay back" everyone who has ever paid a student loan off.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 09/21/17 2:06:08 PM #44:	byron posted... Defense spending is necessary but I don't how much we spend is necessary. I think what people lose sight of is the quality of life improvements that come from defense spending. Things like the internet, GPS, and to some extent plastics are the byproduct of defense spending. A lot of defense spending produces new discoveries that benefit everyone. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:887022208] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>byron posted...</cite> <quote> Defense spending is necessary but I don't how much we spend is necessary.</quote> I think what people lose sight of is the quality of life improvements that come from defense spending. Things like the internet, GPS, and to some extent plastics are the byproduct of defense spending. A lot of defense spending produces new discoveries that benefit everyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 09/21/17 2:08:01 PM #45:	s0nicfan posted... I think what people lose sight of is the quality of life improvements that come from defense spending. Things like the internet, GPS, and to some extent plastics are the byproduct of defense spending. A lot of defense spending produces new discoveries that benefit everyone. if thats why we should like military spending it makes a lot more sense to fund the educational institutions which support the military in doing said research I'm pretty skeptical about this line of argument at all though --- He would make his mark, if not on this tree, then on that wall; if not with teeth and claws, then with penknife and razor. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:887022319] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>I think what people lose sight of is the quality of life improvements that come from defense spending. Things like the internet, GPS, and to some extent plastics are the byproduct of defense spending. A lot of defense spending produces new discoveries that benefit everyone.</quote> if thats why we should like military spending it makes a lot more sense to fund the educational institutions which support the military in doing said research I'm pretty skeptical about this line of argument at all though</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
emblem boy 09/21/17 2:08:28 PM #46:	Anteaterking posted... emblem boy posted... Honest question. Do people generally expect this type of grandfathering(?) Or compensation for a type of similar program that comes into place? I think you could expect a loose sort of grandfathering to help people who currently have student loans, but there's no reason to "pay back" everyone who has ever paid a student loan off. Ya, that I'd be fine with. The argument that those who have paid their college fees should get some type of full refund is weird to me. If taxes lower in a certain area, I've never expected to be paid compensation for when the tax was higher. Not the best analogy I'm sure, but only one I can think of right now. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2 <cite>emblem boy posted [p:887022344] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anteaterking posted...</cite> <quote><cite>emblem boy posted...</cite> <quote> Honest question. Do people generally expect this type of grandfathering(?) Or compensation for a type of similar program that comes into place?</quote> I think you could expect a loose sort of grandfathering to help people who currently have student loans, but there's no reason to "pay back" everyone who has ever paid a student loan off.</quote> Ya, that I'd be fine with. The argument that those who have paid their college fees should get some type of full refund is weird to me. If taxes lower in a certain area, I've never expected to be paid compensation for when the tax was higher. Not the best analogy I'm sure, but only one I can think of right now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Annihilated 09/21/17 2:09:48 PM #47:	DoomSwell posted... Because people shouldn't be put in an overpriced lifetime debt over a risk of something that might not land them a job in today's economy. ...Then just don't go to college. <cite>Annihilated posted [p:887022420] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>DoomSwell posted...</cite> <quote>Because people shouldn't be put in an overpriced lifetime debt over a risk of something that might not land them a job in today's economy.</quote> ...Then just don't go to college.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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s0nicfan 09/21/17 2:11:34 PM #49:	Balrog0 posted... s0nicfan posted... I think what people lose sight of is the quality of life improvements that come from defense spending. Things like the internet, GPS, and to some extent plastics are the byproduct of defense spending. A lot of defense spending produces new discoveries that benefit everyone. if thats why we should like military spending it makes a lot more sense to fund the educational institutions which support the military in doing said research I'm pretty skeptical about this line of argument at all though My point was simply that "military spending" is significantly more than buying tanks and guns. Also, quite a bit of that military spending DOES go to universities. They subcontract out to unis all the time on larger projects. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:887022517] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>I think what people lose sight of is the quality of life improvements that come from defense spending. Things like the internet, GPS, and to some extent plastics are the byproduct of defense spending. A lot of defense spending produces new discoveries that benefit everyone.</quote> if thats why we should like military spending it makes a lot more sense to fund the educational institutions which support the military in doing said research I'm pretty skeptical about this line of argument at all though</quote> My point was simply that "military spending" is significantly more than buying tanks and guns. Also, quite a bit of that military spending DOES go to universities. They subcontract out to unis all the time on larger projects.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomSwell 09/21/17 2:12:38 PM #50:	@Annihilated posted... DoomSwell posted... Because people shouldn't be put in an overpriced lifetime debt over a risk of something that might not land them a job in today's economy. ...Then just don't go to college. Did you literately not read the rest of my post? The next freaking line. DoomSwell posted... It's also getting to the point where you can't get a job without college either It's to the point where you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. --- http://www.backloggery.com/doomswell <cite>DoomSwell posted [p:887022574] in 47 percent... [t:75799005]...</cite> <quote><cite>@Annihilated posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DoomSwell posted...</cite> <quote>Because people shouldn't be put in an overpriced lifetime debt over a risk of something that might not land them a job in today's economy.</quote> ...Then just don't go to college.</quote> Did you literately not read the rest of my post? The next freaking line. <cite>DoomSwell posted...</cite> <quote>It's also getting to the point where you can't get a job without college either</quote> It's to the point where you're damned if you do and damned if you don't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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