Current Events > Why can't you understand people aren't defending Nazis they're opposing violence

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Liberals are especially bad for that.

"This guy disagrees with my opinions so I want to attack him and want others to attack him"

"That's wrong."

"WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING NAZIS!"

Is so childish and stupid that it is seriously embarrasing that millions of people react like that.

Physical violence is bad. Hurting people is bad, attacking people is bad.

Not only morally and ethically, but also pragmatically. Take it from a former KKK Leader explaining how one single skinny black man defeated an entire chapter of the KKK:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fMXdCjv9qo

Wasn't with violence, it was with love.

What exactly do you fear is going to happen if you talk to someone you disagree with? Are you that scared and insecure with your views that you fear they would change your mind with ease?

Do you really think punching a man in the face will make people think "Well that guy got punched in the face so clearly his views are wrong and the violent people attacking him are right, I should listen to them?"

That's insanity.

Violence is wrong. Attacking thoughts with physical violence is wrong on every level.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

stupid

topic over

people who think violence is the answer aren't that bright
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ModLogic posted...

UnfairRepresent posted...

stupid

topic over

people who think violence is the answer aren't that bright

I think they just are insecure. They see people they agree with being violent and people they disagree with being respectful and so assume violence is good and copy it, rather than challenge themselves.
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I would normally agree with this sentiment.
However...
You're also forgetting that the Nazis are essentially responsible for the outbreak of World War 2 and the deaths of millions of people, and that the US staunchly opposed the regime and that we fought against them.... So... I mean you can't really expect someone to walk around with a swastika on their sleeve and not get beat up, and I don't really condone violence myself but if it's a choice between someone pretending to be a Nazi getting punched out and ... well, people pretending to be Nazis, I'm gonna go with the fisting option myself.

It's what happens when you have more emotions than brains
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Violence is never the answer is such a comically childish notion. Similar to how children believe stealing is always wrong until you say what about stealing medicine you can't afford for a sick child.

Violence can be justified, and it's an easy justification against literal Nazis.
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The thing is, we hear all y'all free speech advocates. Its just that we don't give shit and aren't going to the mat for nazis getting knocked out.
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The most recent Nazi rally ended with a Nazi running a woman over. Opposing violence is opposing nazis.
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Y'all justify the hell out of violence when police do it at the drop of a hat though
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Hexenherz posted...

I would normally agree with this sentiment.
However...
You're also forgetting that the Communists are essentially responsible for the outbreak of the Cold War and the deaths of millions of people, and that the US staunchly opposed the regime and that we fought against them.... So... I mean you can't really expect someone to walk around with a hammer and sickle on their sleeve and not get beat up, and I don't really condone violence myself but if it's a choice between someone pretending to be a Communist getting punched out and ... well, people pretending to be Communists, I'm gonna go with the fisting option myself.

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Makeveli_lives posted...

Y'all justify the hell out of violence when police do it to dangerous criminals

Correct.
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Omega Hunter posted...

Violence can be justified,

You're really super bad at comprehension.

First you can't understand why being a good person is a good thing.

Now you can't understand that not attacking people for their opinion is a different claim to "Violence can never be justified"

Yeah if a guy is lunging at you with a knife screaming that they are going to slit your throat and drown your family with your blood. Yeah defending yourself is justified.

If someone says they think Star Wars Episode 1 is the best one and you don't agree, no you don't get to punch them in the face. That goes no where and in fact vindicates them.

If Wade Watts had punched the KKK, that chapter would still be around and he'd probably be dead or driven out. But he choose love instead and look what happened.

Learn from history, not the warm feeling you get in your testicles when you see people getting hurt.
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It's weird that this debate is so passionate when it comes to Nazis and not about something like bullying.
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lilORANG posted...

The most recent Nazi rally ended with a Nazi running a woman over. Opposing violence is opposing nazis.

Remember when that Berniebro shot at Republicans playing a baseball game and almost killed one of them?

Opposing violence is opposing Bernie Sanders.
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Darmik posted...

It's weird that this debate is so passionate when it comes to Nazis and not about something like bullying.

Name all the users who condone bulling, and I'll name all the users who condone punching people for being offensive.

Ready?
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I guess you also think the American revolution was a bad idea because it was violent
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Omega Hunter posted...

Violence is never the answer is such a comically childish notion. Similar to how children believe stealing is always wrong until you say what about stealing medicine you can't afford for a sick child.

Violence can be justified, and it's an easy justification against literal Nazis.

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Omega Hunter posted...

Violence is never the answer is such a comically childish notion. Similar to how children believe stealing is always wrong until you say what about stealing medicine you can't afford for a sick child.

Violence can be justified, and it's an easy justification against literal Nazis.

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Mal_Fet posted...

lilORANG posted...

The most recent Nazi rally ended with a Nazi running a woman over. Opposing violence is opposing nazis.

Remember when that Berniebro shot at Republicans playing a baseball game and almost killed one of them?

Opposing violence is opposing Bernie Sanders.

Do you even know what or why you're arguing?
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Mal_Fet posted...

Remember when that Berniebro shot at Republicans playing a baseball game and almost killed one of them?

Yes, and basically everyone condemned that. Why do some on the right find it so hard to condemn nazis?
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Mal_Fet posted...

Darmik posted...

It's weird that this debate is so passionate when it comes to Nazis and not about something like bullying.

Name all the users who condone bulling, and I'll name all the users who condone punching people for being offensive.

Ready?

That's not what I said. I meant standing up to bullying by hitting them to leave you alone. This used to be really common rhetoric around here.

I also made a topic last week about hitting a guy who is verbally harassing your girlfriend in front of you. That was also no where near as heated.
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lilORANG posted...

The most recent Nazi rally ended with a Nazi running a woman over. Opposing violence is opposing nazis.

And BLM members have killed several cops.
There are Islamic terrorist attacks every day.
That Norway guy killed like 50 people.
Elliot Roger wanted to kill all non whites and enslave women in battery farms purely for insemination and outlaw sex, then he murdered some people.

So in your mind it's now okay to assault random BLM members because one of them was a murder?
It's okay to declare war on Norway?
Okay to pull a Trump and boot all Muslims out of the nation?
Is it okay to beat the shit out of all men because Elliot Roger was a nutcase?

No arrest the murderer and challenge the ones you disagree with who aren't doing any crimes.

That's literally how civilization works. Don't you see that?
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Punching nazis is a priori self defense. Of any officer tries to hassle you for it just point to the dudes swastika armband or nazi haircut and they'll just let you on your way no questions asked.
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butthole666 posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

lilORANG posted...

The most recent Nazi rally ended with a Nazi running a woman over. Opposing violence is opposing nazis.

Remember when that Berniebro shot at Republicans playing a baseball game and almost killed one of them?

Opposing violence is opposing Bernie Sanders.

Do you even know what or why you're arguing?

The claim is made that because one Nazi murdered somebody, it can therefore be justified to assault anyone designated as a Nazi.

By that logic, we can also punch basically anyone on the left at this point as well.
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Darmik posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Darmik posted...

It's weird that this debate is so passionate when it comes to Nazis and not about something like bullying.

Name all the users who condone bulling, and I'll name all the users who condone punching people for being offensive.

Ready?

That's not what I said. I meant standing up to bullying by hitting them to leave you alone. This used to be really common rhetoric around here.

I also made a topic last week about hitting a guy who is verbally harassing your girlfriend in front of you. That was also no where near as heated.

Probably because bullying is an aggressive act while wearing a Nazi armband is not. Yet, amazingly, there are psychos on this board who think the latter is enough justification for assault.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

lilORANG posted...

The most recent Nazi rally ended with a Nazi running a woman over. Opposing violence is opposing nazis.

And BLM members have killed several cops.
There are Islamic terrorist attacks every day.
That Norway guy killed like 50 people.
Elliot Roger wanted to kill all non whites and enslave women in battery farms purely for insemination and outlaw sex, then he murdered some people.

So in your mind it's now okay to assault random BLM members because one of them was a murder?
It's okay to declare war on Norway?
Okay to pull a Trump and boot all Muslims out of the nation?
Is it okay to beat the shit out of all men because Elliot Roger was a nutcase?

No arrest the murderer and challenge the ones you disagree with who aren't doing any crimes.

That's literally how civilization works. Don't you see that?

Not with nazis it doesn't. It's why octogenarian prison guards keep on ending up in prison.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Probably because bullying is an aggressive act while wearing a Nazi armband is not. Yet, amazingly, there are psychos on this board who think the latter is enough justification for assault.

How is Nazi rhetoric not aggressive? It's a symbol for white supremacy?
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UnfairRepresent posted...

So in your mind it's now okay to assault random BLM members because one of them was a murder?

I think you misunderstand. My position is opposing violence, hence:

lilORANG posted...

Opposing violence is opposing nazis.

I don't condone nazi punching.

I was addressing your topic title. The most egregious recent act of violence was committed by a nazi at a nazi rally. As someone who opposes violence (like yourself) I condemn those acts and any hateful ideologies that spur people to take those actions.
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lilORANG posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Remember when that Berniebro shot at Republicans playing a baseball game and almost killed one of them?

Yes, and basically everyone condemned that. Why do some on the right find it so hard to condemn nazis?

Again, no one is saying don't condemn Nazis and no one is defending Nazis.

His point is that you go "A Nazi killed a guy! So it's okay to beat up other people who didn't" yet you see a flaw with "A Sanders supporter killed a guy. So it's okay to beat up other people who didn't."

It's not okay to beat people up. Even if you disagree with them.

You CAN and should disagree with them. Challenge them, talk to them, get involved in politics and your local community.

But don't attack them. That just means a net loss for everyone especially you.
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I oppose the death penalty. But I'm not gonna shed any tears if some remorseless murderer who brags about it gets killed.

I feel the same about hitting Nazis really. I don't approve of hitting people for their views. But I also am not going to shed any tears if some Nazi gets into a heated confrontation and gets hit for it.
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I don't like people who generalize racism. People grew up in so many different environments and mindset. Some racists might end up being more open-minded than some people who may make outcries against them. But they're all just called nazis that don't deserve to be heard or acknowledged. Much like... how a racist who's inclined to commit hate crimes would act towards a certain race. It's irony
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Mal_Fet posted...

Darmik posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Darmik posted...

It's weird that this debate is so passionate when it comes to Nazis and not about something like bullying.

Name all the users who condone bulling, and I'll name all the users who condone punching people for being offensive.

Ready?

That's not what I said. I meant standing up to bullying by hitting them to leave you alone. This used to be really common rhetoric around here.

I also made a topic last week about hitting a guy who is verbally harassing your girlfriend in front of you. That was also no where near as heated.

Probably because bullying is an aggressive act while wearing a Nazi armband is not. Yet, amazingly, there are psychos on this board who think the latter is enough justification for assault.

Itp calling someone a nerd is aggressive, but calling for their murder and the genocide of their people is not.

I'd also like to hear how the people who are so disgusted by Nazis being punched feel about the many users who think its ok to run over protesters if theyre in the street. Strange how you save your outrage for this topic.
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Darmik posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Probably because bullying is an aggressive act while wearing a Nazi armband is not. Yet, amazingly, there are psychos on this board who think the latter is enough justification for assault.

How is Nazi rhetoric not aggressive? It's a symbol for white supremacy?

Can I punch the black nationalist who preaches by my campus every Thursday?

I'll answer that for ya: no, no I can't. Because even though he is a black supremacist and says nasty things about people with my skin color, he has every right to say what he says unless he presents an imminent threat of danger to somebody.

I can only thank the fact that you're just an internet tough guy who doesn't have the balls to actually act on your belief that assaulting people for being offensive is ok.
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Darmik posted...

How is Nazi rhetoric not aggressive? It's a symbol for white supremacy?

Physically aggressive he means.

The act of wearing a Nazi T-shirt is no more aggressive an act than wearing an ACDC T-shirt.

And neither justifies violence simply because you don't like them
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Asherlee10 posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Punching nazis is a priori self defense. Of any officer tries to hassle you for it just point to the dudes swastika armband or nazi haircut and they'll just let you on your way no questions asked.

This creates a slippery slope. Yes, we should always try to squash out Nazism. But where do we draw the line? Should we be punching ISIS members we might see in public? Most people would probably say yes. Should we be punching AFA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Family_Association#Labeled_a_hate_group) members we might see in public? They were labeled a hate group. That can sometimes include your average mom from the suburbs.

Who decides where to draw the line in the sand and what it is it based on?

I draw the line at "if you support an ideology that caused the genocide of 6 million people and initiated a world war then you deserve to get punched for it". ISIS is bad, but they're not 6 million+ body count bad.
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Violence is often the best solution actually. The Civil Rights movement never would have succeeded without lots of violent protests.
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legendarylemur posted...

I don't like people who generalize racism. People grew up in so many different environments and mindset. Some racists might end up being more open-minded than some people who may make outcries against them. But they're all just called nazis that don't deserve to be heard or acknowledged. Much like... how a racist who's inclined to commit hate crimes would act towards a certain race. It's irony

Your shitty environment doesn't excuse you from ramming a plane into a building and it doesn't excuse you from waving around swastikas.
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DarkChozoGhost posted...

Violence is often the best solution actually. The Civil Rights movement never would have succeeded without lots of violent protests.

The violent protests accomplished close to nothing.

It was the non-violent movements and political change that made the difference.

It's also an irrelevant point. What does pushing for equality in government have to do with punching people in the street for disagreeing with you?

Are you really so deluded to believe that beating up a guy because of his outfit in the street in front of his family is the same as the end of racial segregation in a large nations law?

That's literal insanity.
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Asherlee10 posted...

NadYobWoc posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Darmik posted...

Mal_Fet posted...

Darmik posted...

It's weird that this debate is so passionate when it comes to Nazis and not about something like bullying.

Name all the users who condone bulling, and I'll name all the users who condone punching people for being offensive.

Ready?

That's not what I said. I meant standing up to bullying by hitting them to leave you alone. This used to be really common rhetoric around here.

I also made a topic last week about hitting a guy who is verbally harassing your girlfriend in front of you. That was also no where near as heated.

Probably because bullying is an aggressive act while wearing a Nazi armband is not. Yet, amazingly, there are psychos on this board who think the latter is enough justification for assault.

Itp calling someone a nerd is aggressive, but calling for their murder and the genocide of their people is not.

I'd also like to hear how the people who are so disgusted by Nazis being punched feel about the many users who think its ok to run over protesters if theyre in the street. Strange how you save your outrage for this topic.

I was under the impression that Mal was referencing physical bullying, not just verbal bullying.

Being part of an organization that murdered millions of people is an endorsment of physical violence.
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Mal_Fet posted...

Can I punch the black nationalist who preaches by my campus every Thursday? I'll answer that for ya: no, no I can't.

Because even though he is a black supremacist and says nasty things about people with my skin color, he has every right to say what he says unless he presents an imminent threat of danger to somebody.

No. Nobody should. But if he gets into a fight for his views with someone who has less self-control for it would you actually care or would you see it coming?

Mal_Fet posted...

I can only thank the fact that you're just an internet tough guy who doesn't have the balls to actually act on your belief that assaulting people for being offensive is ok.

I never once said it was okay. I'm just wondering why people get so passionate about this when it comes to Nazis. Hitting someone for being offensive or confronting isn't anything new and it isn't limited to Nazis.

UnfairRepresent posted...

The act of wearing a Nazi T-shirt is no more aggressive an act than wearing an ACDC T-shirt.

Freaking what?
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The funny thing is that a lot of these people who think that violence is acceptable against someone merely for having horrid beliefs are hardcore leftists who are also against castle doctrine. If someone with disgusting beliefs is not initiating violence or threatening anyone then it's okay to hit them. But, if someone breaks into your home in the middle of the night then you should have to retreat or hide while they help themselves to your property.
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Asherlee10 posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

A_Good_Boy posted...

Punching nazis is a priori self defense. Of any officer tries to hassle you for it just point to the dudes swastika armband or nazi haircut and they'll just let you on your way no questions asked.

This creates a slippery slope. Yes, we should always try to squash out Nazism. But where do we draw the line? Should we be punching ISIS members we might see in public? Most people would probably say yes. Should we be punching AFA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Family_Association#Labeled_a_hate_group) members we might see in public? They were labeled a hate group. That can sometimes include your average mom from the suburbs.

Who decides where to draw the line in the sand and what it is it based on?

I draw the line at "if you support an ideology that caused the genocide of 6 million people and initiated a world war then you deserve to get punched for it". ISIS is bad, but they're not 6 million+ body count bad.

That is a very subjective line in the sand. You are appealing to your emotion.

"Killing THIS many people is bad, but killing only THAT many is not so bad, so they don't deserve to be assaulted in public."

You are describing the exact slippery slope I'm referencing.

Who has the AFA killed. "Murdered someone" seems like a pretty clear line in the sand.
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NadYobWoc posted...

Being part of an organization that murdered millions of people is an endorsment of physical violence.

That's a stupid thing to say.

Capitalists murdered millions of people.
Communists have murdered millions of people.

Right now people are seriously considering killing nearly 25 million people including innocent women and children while you eat your lunch.

And that's your people.

That's not how logic works. You can't justify violence with these weak leaps of logic. None of this makes it okay to attack people who disagree with you.
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