Current Events > Lmao my job expects me to come in at 6am after working until 12 am.

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Lmfao @ them

So you're not gonna show up?
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Go to sleep boy
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Imagine living in a place where that isn't illegal
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where do you work

Johnny_Nutcase posted...

So you're not gonna show up?

Fuck no. I'm about to call out now lol

Yeah, if you're not a medical resident or getting paid six figures, there is little reason you should be working hours like that.
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Ahh the "clopen"

Fuck businesses that do that. Noodles and company used to make my girl do that. She's no longer with the company for obvious reasons
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Idgaf about this job anyway. I literally just got it for a few months while I finish up school. Then I'll get a real job, which I'll be done next month. Plus, this place doesn't even track attendance lol.

MikeArmstrong posted...

Idgaf about this job anyway. I literally just got it for a few months while I finish up school. Then I'll get a real job, which I'll be done next month. Plus, this place doesn't even track attendance lol.

Then why would you call out??
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They don't track attendance, but a no call no show is still a thing that could probably get you in trouble. But if you call out, they literally don't even say anything to you.

salandrews posted...

Ahh the "clopen"

Fuck businesses that do that. Noodles and company used to make my girl do that. She's no longer with the company for obvious reasons

There's nothing wrong with a clopen if it's like...10.5 hours, really.
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Do you live in the US? Because that's against OSHA regulations and is illegal as hell. you have to have 8 hours between shifts from the time you clock out until the time you clock in. I know this for a fact because i used to work emegency outages at a paper mill where we'd work 16 hour shifts until the job was finished but they made a really big deal about the 8 hour thing.

Sometimes OSHA actually pays out rewards for turning companies in for shit like this, so document this every way possible and turn their asses in.

I think the only exception is like if you're a surgeon doing a life-saving procedure or something like that.
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It's Sam's Club so I don't know if anything would come of it.

MikeArmstrong posted...

It's Sam's Club so I don't know if anything would come of it.

Nobody is safe from OSHA, turn their asses in. OSHA doesn't fuck around with safety violations which is exactly what this is. Exhausted driving is more dangerous than drunk driving. If you don't want to do it for yourself, do it for all the other dumb saps that have been getting taken advantage of.
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Don't pick up the phone the next time.
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

MikeArmstrong posted...

It's Sam's Club so I don't know if anything would come of it.

Nobody is safe from OSHA, turn their asses in. OSHA doesn't fuck around with safety violations which is exactly what this is. Exhausted driving is more dangerous than drunk driving.

Lmao nice. What's the number? Honestly the general manager has been a dick to me, so I wouldn't mind busting his ass.

like seriously though, this is bigger than you. Making people work those kinds of hours is how people fall asleep driving home from work and kill a minivan full of kids going to soccer practice. You might not care enough to turn them in for yourself but think about the big picture. Plus, you might get money out of the deal.
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Crash a forklift into a big shelf of expensive shit and say "8 hours bro, I didn't get em!"
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Fuck yeah, you turn those scumbags in, that kinda shit only flies when your workforce is full of illegals or some other dirty shit, turn their asses in, get money and perhaps get the chance to give them the finger on the way out. This is America, nobody should work slave hours unless it's by choice and the money is worth it.
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MikeArmstrong posted...

Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

MikeArmstrong posted...

It's Sam's Club so I don't know if anything would come of it.

Nobody is safe from OSHA, turn their asses in. OSHA doesn't fuck around with safety violations which is exactly what this is. Exhausted driving is more dangerous than drunk driving.

Lmao nice. What's the number? Honestly the general manager has been a dick to me, so I wouldn't mind busting his ass.

https://www.osha.gov/workers/file_complaint.html

this is a map to find your local OSHA number

https://www.osha.gov/html/RAmap.html
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That's what I was telling my coworkers. I said it makes more sense to have two groups - one that does regular hours and one that does 4-12 tonight (it's inventory or some bs) and then have the first group come in at 6 to finish up. I told them it didn't make sense to get like 3 hours of sleep and then work another full shift.

Johnny_Nutcase posted...

Crash a forklift into a big shelf of expensive shit and say "8 hours bro, I didn't get em!"

Lol I could just rip off the freezer door "by accident" and then blame the hours.

can confirm exhausted driving is horrid, was in a car crash just on wednesday because of it
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MikeArmstrong posted...

That's what I was telling my coworkers. I said it makes more sense to have two groups - one that does regular hours and one that does 4-12 tonight (it's inventory or some bs) and then have the first group come in at 6 to finish up. I told them it didn't make sense to get like 3 hours of sleep and then work another full shift.

It's Sam's Club, the manager who made the schedule was probably a stock boy that sucked enough asshole to work his way up and got a 4 hour training course on how to be a manager and they sent his merry ass out the door with a new name badge.
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

Do you live in the US? Because that's against OSHA regulations and is illegal as hell. you have to have 8 hours between shifts from the time you clock out until the time you clock in. I know this for a fact because i used to work emegency outages at a paper mill where we'd work 16 hour shifts until the job was finished but they made a really big deal about the 8 hour thing.

Sometimes OSHA actually pays out rewards for turning companies in for shit like this, so document this every way possible and turn their asses in.

I think the only exception is like if you're a surgeon doing a life-saving procedure or something like that.

They can have an agreement.

In canada they have to goto the ministry of labour and have those regulations waived if the MoL agrees. Then the employee signs an agrement with the company. Otherwise ya big big fines.

One place i worked for had us volunteer to sign cause our regular hours hit the max allowed. I did one year. Never again. That shit will burn you out quick.

MikeArmstrong posted...

Johnny_Nutcase posted...

Crash a forklift into a big shelf of expensive shit and say "8 hours bro, I didn't get em!"

Lol I could just rip off the freezer door "by accident" and then blame the hours.

Don't do shit like this, just report them and document absolutely everything you can. You won't benefit from fucking up their door, but you will benefit from a fat worker's compensation check or a lawsuit.
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MikeArmstrong posted...

Johnny_Nutcase posted...

Crash a forklift into a big shelf of expensive shit and say "8 hours bro, I didn't get em!"

Lol I could just rip off the freezer door "by accident" and then blame the hours.

Yeah I mean what can they do? They're breaking OSHA regulations, so you're breaking merchandise. What of it?
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ive been in a similar situation. i was asked to come in at 3am after getting off at 9pm and I asked my supervisor who I sue if I get into an accident due to lack of sleep. it wouldve been easier to remind them that my union contract says there's a mandatory 8 hours between shifts, but I thought my question was funnier

Had a job that tried that with me.

Had*
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Johnny_Nutcase posted...

MikeArmstrong posted...

Johnny_Nutcase posted...

Crash a forklift into a big shelf of expensive shit and say "8 hours bro, I didn't get em!"

Lol I could just rip off the freezer door "by accident" and then blame the hours.

Yeah I mean what can they do? They're breaking OSHA regulations, so you're breaking merchandise. What of it?

again, don't do this. There's no actual benefit for you personally if you fuck up their shit. You're just giving them a reason to fire you then you'll look like a disgruntled employee if you try to report the violation after the fact and they might not take you as seriously.
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

MikeArmstrong posted...

Johnny_Nutcase posted...

Crash a forklift into a big shelf of expensive shit and say "8 hours bro, I didn't get em!"

Lol I could just rip off the freezer door "by accident" and then blame the hours.

Don't do shit like this, just report them and document absolutely everything you can. You won't benefit from fucking up their door, but you will benefit from a fat worker's compensation check or a lawsuit.

Nah I would never actually do that. I just think it's funny.

This is why some jobs have unions so they can protect from this kind of bullshit.

I'm sure they'll think twice after I report them. I'm too tired to tonight though.

if you have any trouble, my union steward is really knowledgeable about worker safety laws so feel free to pm me and i can ask him for you.
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Alright thanks man. You've been a good help.

Fairly sure in CA at least it's law that you need 8 hours between the end of one shift and the start of the next. For hourly employees at least.
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tripZ504 posted...

Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

Do you live in the US? Because that's against OSHA regulations and is illegal as hell. you have to have 8 hours between shifts from the time you clock out until the time you clock in. I know this for a fact because i used to work emegency outages at a paper mill where we'd work 16 hour shifts until the job was finished but they made a really big deal about the 8 hour thing.

Sometimes OSHA actually pays out rewards for turning companies in for shit like this, so document this every way possible and turn their asses in.

I think the only exception is like if you're a surgeon doing a life-saving procedure or something like that.

They can have an agreement.

In canada they have to goto the ministry of labour and have those regulations waived if the MoL agrees. Then the employee signs an agrement with the company. Otherwise ya big big fines.

One place i worked for had us volunteer to sign cause our regular hours hit the max allowed. I did one year. Never again. That shit will burn you out quick.

Yeah, don't fall for that shit, you give a company an itch and they will take a mile, just like if you're being diligent in your work and end up doing stuff beyond your job scoop, eventually they'll start expecting you to do all that and more for the same amount o pay and actually get pissy at you if you don't do it.
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i would listen to attorneys over random people

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/are-you-required-to-have-8hrs-between-shifts--isn--1743379.html

https://www.oshaeducationcenter.com/articles/employee-overtime.aspx

always ask for a sourse when someone claims you have a case
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MikeArmstrong posted...

I'm sure they'll think twice after I report them. I'm too tired to tonight though.

You might be able to make them pay you for lost wages tomorrow since they gave you an unsafe schedule which is now causing you to lose hours if you really want to shove your whole dick up their butt.
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Kyurem-BW posted...

i would listen to attorneys over random people

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/are-you-required-to-have-8hrs-between-shifts--isn--1743379.html

https://www.oshaeducationcenter.com/articles/employee-overtime.aspx

always ask for a sourse when someone claims you have a case

That information is 3 years old.

Kyurem-BW posted...

i would listen to attorneys over random people

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/are-you-required-to-have-8hrs-between-shifts--isn--1743379.html

https://www.oshaeducationcenter.com/articles/employee-overtime.aspx

always ask for a sourse when someone claims you have a case

that's specifically talking about split shifts, i was under the impression that tc worked a full shift and then had to come back 6 hours later.

I mean hey, i could be wrong, but if so then there's a whole papermill in Roaring Springs PA that is following a nonexistant OSHA rule. You can't get in trouble for reporting them either way even if it's not illegal.

Complaints from workers or their representatives are taken seriously by OSHA. OSHA will keep your information confidential.

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RebelElite791 posted...

Fairly sure in CA at least it's law that you need 8 hours between the end of one shift and the start of the next. For hourly employees at least.

which is bullshit imo. it should be at least 10. 8 is not enough to get a full night's sleep. even if you live 5 minutes from home, dont eat and dont shower, you still dont get all the sleep you should get, especially if you have a physically demanding job

MikeArmstrong posted...

Kyurem-BW posted...

i would listen to attorneys over random people

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/are-you-required-to-have-8hrs-between-shifts--isn--1743379.html

https://www.oshaeducationcenter.com/articles/employee-overtime.aspx

always ask for a sourse when someone claims you have a case

That information is 3 years old.

second link is 2017 and says this

Extended and Unusual Shifts
Presently, no OSHA standard to regulate extended and unusual shifts in the workplace exists. A work period of eight consecutive hours over five days with at least eight hours of rest in between shifts defines a standard shift. Any shift that goes beyond this standard is considered to be extended or unusual.

Emergency situations, times of business transition, and when resources are scarce often require longer shifts. Such shifts usually come without warning and can take their toll on the health, safety, and productivity of employees.

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Kyurem-BW posted...

i would listen to attorneys over random people

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/are-you-required-to-have-8hrs-between-shifts--isn--1743379.html

https://www.oshaeducationcenter.com/articles/employee-overtime.aspx

always ask for a sourse when someone claims you have a case

https://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/tools/hours/daily_rest_between_shifts_tutorial.php
Employees must, with two exceptions, receive at least eight hours free from work between shifts, whether they are "split shifts," "on call shifts," "back-to-back" shifts or ordinary daily shifts.

Rest between shifts is not required if:

the total time worked during both shifts does not exceed 13 hours; or
the employer and employee agree in writing to reduce or forego the eight-hour rest period.

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AlternativeFAQS posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Fairly sure in CA at least it's law that you need 8 hours between the end of one shift and the start of the next. For hourly employees at least.

which is bullshit imo. it should be at least 10. 8 is not enough to get a full night's sleep. even if you live 5 minutes from home, dont eat and dont shower, you still dont get all the sleep you should get, especially if you have a physically demanding job

Definitely agree.
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The shifts in question were 4pm-12am and 6am -2pm.

Full shifts.

RebelElite791 posted...

Kyurem-BW posted...

i would listen to attorneys over random people

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/are-you-required-to-have-8hrs-between-shifts--isn--1743379.html

https://www.oshaeducationcenter.com/articles/employee-overtime.aspx

always ask for a sourse when someone claims you have a case

https://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/tools/hours/daily_rest_between_shifts_tutorial.php
Employees must, with two exceptions, receive at least eight hours free from work between shifts, whether they are "split shifts," "on call shifts," "back-to-back" shifts or ordinary daily shifts.

Rest between shifts is not required if:

the total time worked during both shifts does not exceed 13 hours; or
the employer and employee agree in writing to reduce or forego the eight-hour rest period.

in ca not the other 49 states
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MikeArmstrong posted...

The shifts in question were 4pm-12am and 6am -2pm.

Full shifts.

pfftt, what, you expect to be able to eat and get a full night's sleep?

Kyurem-BW posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

Kyurem-BW posted...

i would listen to attorneys over random people

https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/are-you-required-to-have-8hrs-between-shifts--isn--1743379.html

https://www.oshaeducationcenter.com/articles/employee-overtime.aspx

always ask for a sourse when someone claims you have a case

https://www.labour.gov.on.ca/english/es/tools/hours/daily_rest_between_shifts_tutorial.php
Employees must, with two exceptions, receive at least eight hours free from work between shifts, whether they are "split shifts," "on call shifts," "back-to-back" shifts or ordinary daily shifts.

Rest between shifts is not required if:

the total time worked during both shifts does not exceed 13 hours; or
the employer and employee agree in writing to reduce or forego the eight-hour rest period.

in ca not the other 49 states

did you think OSHA is a Cali only thing? I'm from PA and i know it's at least definitely illegal here. Look even if you're right, TC has absolutely nothing to lose for reporting it.
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