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darkphoenix181 09/18/17 3:17:51 PM #51:	"I totally accept a condensed ball of energy has always existed" "but where did God come from?" tbh seems the theists and atheists are in agreement except one calls the condensation of energy God and attributes him power and intelligence the other just thinks it was a phenomenon --- sigless user is me or am I? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:886834476] in Imagine li... [t:75785533]...</cite> <quote>"I totally accept a condensed ball of energy has always existed" "but where did God come from?" tbh seems the theists and atheists are in agreement except one calls the condensation of energy God and attributes him power and intelligence the other just thinks it was a phenomenon</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HippopotamusRex 09/18/17 3:35:50 PM #52:	Hexagon posted... @-Van_Zan- posted... Mikablu posted... "The entire universe couldn't just already have existed! It had to be created by something!" "So where did God come from?" "God always existed! Nothing created him!" /facepalm The universe is tangible and palpable (bound by physical laws), God is beyond that, genius. What physical laws say that the universe cannot have been/cannot be eternal? Entropy. As well as the observer (person's) own mortality. Every person perceiving the universe will die, so tops the conscious observer has 90-100 years and is not eternal. There's really no conflict here. God can refer to the realm beyond the limit of the human observer by whatever metric is so chosen as the limitation. Whether that's Newtonian physics, a person's lifespan, distance/scale in lightyears, everything has a limit. If it didn't then quantum mechanics would never have needed to be invented. That's just the current limit until it's not. You have morons like Dawkings creating a problem and bullying very low IQ creationists when you get to the very high IQ people there's no conflict between metaphysics and physics. People like him actually do more harm than good and just sensationalize this stuff like it's reality tv level junk food. --- The Retro Hippo of the Retro Achievements http://retroachievements.org/User/HippopotamusRex <cite>HippopotamusRex posted [p:886835523] in Imagine li... [t:75785533]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@-Van_Zan- posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mikablu posted...</cite> <quote>"The entire universe couldn't just already have existed! It had to be created by something!" "So where did God come from?" "God always existed! Nothing created him!" /facepalm</quote> The universe is tangible and palpable (bound by physical laws), God is beyond that, genius.</quote> What physical laws say that the universe cannot have been/cannot be eternal?</quote> Entropy. As well as the observer (person's) own mortality. Every person perceiving the universe will die, so tops the conscious observer has 90-100 years and is not eternal. There's really no conflict here. God can refer to the realm beyond the limit of the human observer by whatever metric is so chosen as the limitation. Whether that's Newtonian physics, a person's lifespan, distance/scale in lightyears, everything has a limit. If it didn't then quantum mechanics would never have needed to be invented. That's just the current limit until it's not. You have morons like Dawkings creating a problem and bullying very low IQ creationists when you get to the very high IQ people there's no conflict between metaphysics and physics. People like him actually do more harm than good and just sensationalize this stuff like it's reality tv level junk food.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 09/18/17 4:28:50 PM #53:	HippopotamusRex posted... Hexagon posted... @-Van_Zan- posted... Mikablu posted... "The entire universe couldn't just already have existed! It had to be created by something!" "So where did God come from?" "God always existed! Nothing created him!" /facepalm The universe is tangible and palpable (bound by physical laws), God is beyond that, genius. What physical laws say that the universe cannot have been/cannot be eternal? Entropy. As well as the observer (person's) own mortality. Every person perceiving the universe will die, so tops the conscious observer has 90-100 years and is not eternal. There's really no conflict here. God can refer to the realm beyond the limit of the human observer by whatever metric is so chosen as the limitation. Whether that's Newtonian physics, a person's lifespan, distance/scale in lightyears, everything has a limit. If it didn't then quantum mechanics would never have needed to be invented. That's just the current limit until it's not. You have morons like Dawkings creating a problem and bullying very low IQ creationists when you get to the very high IQ people there's no conflict between metaphysics and physics. People like him actually do more harm than good and just sensationalize this stuff like it's reality tv level junk food. That makes absolutely no sense. By your logic the universe will cease to exist because there will be no conscious observers, but no one has ever observed God and especially no one observed God in modern times so then God has never existed. Also IQ has shit to do with the topic. <cite>Hexagon posted [p:886838380] in Imagine li... [t:75785533]...</cite> <quote><cite>HippopotamusRex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexagon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@-Van_Zan- posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mikablu posted...</cite> <quote>"The entire universe couldn't just already have existed! It had to be created by something!" "So where did God come from?" "God always existed! Nothing created him!" /facepalm</quote> The universe is tangible and palpable (bound by physical laws), God is beyond that, genius.</quote> What physical laws say that the universe cannot have been/cannot be eternal?</quote> Entropy. As well as the observer (person's) own mortality. Every person perceiving the universe will die, so tops the conscious observer has 90-100 years and is not eternal. There's really no conflict here. God can refer to the realm beyond the limit of the human observer by whatever metric is so chosen as the limitation. Whether that's Newtonian physics, a person's lifespan, distance/scale in lightyears, everything has a limit. If it didn't then quantum mechanics would never have needed to be invented. That's just the current limit until it's not. You have morons like Dawkings creating a problem and bullying very low IQ creationists when you get to the very high IQ people there's no conflict between metaphysics and physics. People like him actually do more harm than good and just sensationalize this stuff like it's reality tv level junk food.</quote> That makes absolutely no sense. By your logic the universe will cease to exist because there will be no conscious observers, but no one has ever observed God and especially no one observed God in modern times so then God has never existed. Also IQ has shit to do with the topic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SageHarpuia 09/18/17 9:10:43 PM #54:	What physical laws say that the universe cannot have been/cannot be eternal? Is it not taught in schools anymore that when energy is converted from one form to another part of it is lost in the form of heat and becomes unusable? If the universe went on like this all energy would eventually be used up and would suffer what is commonly called a "heat death". --- My name is Harpuia, one of the four Guardians of Master X and General of the Strong Air Battalion, The Rekku Army. <cite>SageHarpuia posted [p:886854239] in Imagine li... [t:75785533]...</cite> <quote><quote>What physical laws say that the universe cannot have been/cannot be eternal?</quote> Is it not taught in schools anymore that when energy is converted from one form to another part of it is lost in the form of heat and becomes unusable? If the universe went on like this all energy would eventually be used up and would suffer what is commonly called a "heat death".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexagon 09/19/17 7:58:56 AM #55:	SageHarpuia posted... What physical laws say that the universe cannot have been/cannot be eternal? Is it not taught in schools anymore that when energy is converted from one form to another part of it is lost in the form of heat and becomes unusable? If the universe went on like this all energy would eventually be used up and would suffer what is commonly called a "heat death". 1. That thing you're referring to is called the second law of thermodynamics and it is taught in school and there is no "lost" energy in the sense that it disappears because heat is a form of energy. 2. Even if the whole universe reaches the same temperature (which might not even be possible if the universe is expanding), that says nothing about what happens to space and all the matter in it. 3. Even if what you're saying is true. You're talking about the future of the universe, it doesn't answer why the universe couldn't have had an eternal existence in the past like a god. <cite>Hexagon posted [p:886877470] in Imagine li... [t:75785533]...</cite> <quote><cite>SageHarpuia posted...</cite> <quote><quote>What physical laws say that the universe cannot have been/cannot be eternal?</quote> Is it not taught in schools anymore that when energy is converted from one form to another part of it is lost in the form of heat and becomes unusable? If the universe went on like this all energy would eventually be used up and would suffer what is commonly called a "heat death".</quote> 1. That thing you're referring to is called the second law of thermodynamics and it is taught in school and there is no "lost" energy in the sense that it disappears because heat is a form of energy. 2. Even if the whole universe reaches the same temperature (which might not even be possible if the universe is expanding), that says nothing about what happens to space and all the matter in it. 3. Even if what you're saying is true. You're talking about the future of the universe, it doesn't answer why the universe couldn't have had an eternal existence in the past like a god.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 09/19/17 8:22:03 AM #56:	If you look at the quantum world, then you will see that particles are randomly created from nothing. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:886878186] in Imagine li... [t:75785533]...</cite> <quote>If you look at the quantum world, then you will see that particles are randomly created from nothing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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