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C_Pain
09/17/17 4:56:21 PM
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checkmate atheists
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Hexagon
09/17/17 4:58:41 PM
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Imagine literally. Checkmate non-un-re-de-a-theists.
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weapon_d00d816
09/17/17 5:01:56 PM
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Uhh isn't it the theists who believe that?

The Big Bang theory states that in the very beginning the entire universe was condensed into a tiny ball of incredible energy, which then expanded.

Theists believe a deity created the universe through waving a magic wand and poofing it into existence from nothing.
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SageHarpuia
09/17/17 5:04:54 PM
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+1&version=KJV

Interpret that how you will.
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C_Pain
09/17/17 5:05:36 PM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
Uhh isn't it the theists who believe that?

The Big Bang theory states that in the very beginning the entire universe was condensed into a tiny ball of incredible energy, which then expanded.

Theists believe a deity created the universe through waving a magic wand and poofing it into existence from nothing.

where did the condensed universe come from

god exists outside of the parameters of science and the universe so he can do whatever he wants
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--kresnik--
09/17/17 5:06:18 PM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
Uhh isn't it the theists who believe that?

The Big Bang theory states that in the very beginning the entire universe was condensed into a tiny ball of incredible energy, which then expanded.

Theists believe a deity created the universe through waving a magic wand and poofing it into existence from nothing.

Then how did the supposed enegrgy ball come to be? What was it and who created it? If there was never anything originally, how did things began to exist? Maybe God created the "energy ball." Either way, science can go back and back and keep making shit up, but they can never tell us how things *really* started.
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hockeybub89
09/17/17 5:06:19 PM
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weapon_d00d816
09/17/17 5:06:39 PM
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C_Pain posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Uhh isn't it the theists who believe that?

The Big Bang theory states that in the very beginning the entire universe was condensed into a tiny ball of incredible energy, which then expanded.

Theists believe a deity created the universe through waving a magic wand and poofing it into existence from nothing.

where did the condensed universe come from

god exists outside of the parameters of science and the universe so he can do whatever he wants

It didn't come from anywhere. It always existed in the sense that time started at its expansion.

"Before the beginning" is an invalid concept here, like trying to rewind a VHS tape beyond the very beginning. That's it. There isn't any further back to go.
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C_Pain
09/17/17 5:07:45 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Where did God come from?

Super God made him
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chill02
09/17/17 5:08:19 PM
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everything comes from nothing
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KobeSystem
09/17/17 5:09:18 PM
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In actuality, we are all in a very advanced, future version of Stellaris
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Ultima Dragon
09/17/17 5:09:42 PM
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It's the most pointless thing to debate because we don't have a concrete answer one way or the other and we never will.
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creativerealms
09/17/17 5:11:01 PM
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Yeah good thing since I'm not Christian so that's not what I believe.
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creativerealms
09/17/17 5:12:16 PM
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C_Pain posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Uhh isn't it the theists who believe that?

The Big Bang theory states that in the very beginning the entire universe was condensed into a tiny ball of incredible energy, which then expanded.

Theists believe a deity created the universe through waving a magic wand and poofing it into existence from nothing.

where did the condensed universe come from

god exists outside of the parameters of science and the universe so he can do whatever he wants

God is the nothing that created something. Really even if he exists he is so different he might as well be nothing.
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C_Pain
09/17/17 5:12:28 PM
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Ultima Dragon posted...
It's the most pointless thing to debate because we don't have a concrete answer one way or the other and we never will.

but i want you to go to heaven man
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SageHarpuia
09/17/17 5:13:29 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Where did God come from?

Moses didn't address him as "I Am" for nothing.
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CelestialVoices
09/17/17 5:15:02 PM
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wouldnt this be checkmate theists since u made them imagine that and theyre atheists now? pwnd
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C_Pain
09/17/17 5:15:45 PM
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Wow man. You really changed my perspective.

I officially denounce my religion and will become an atheist.

I feel so free. What do I do now?
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LIsJustice
09/17/17 5:17:31 PM
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But where did God come from?
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Tsukasa1891
09/17/17 5:18:38 PM
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C_Pain posted...
Wow man. You really changed my perspective.

I officially denounce my religion and will become an atheist.

I feel so free. What do I do now?

Try premarital sex.
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LinksLiege
09/17/17 5:18:49 PM
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I can't tell if people are falling for the most obvious bait ever, or if this is some multi-level trolling from all sides.
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SageHarpuia
09/17/17 5:18:51 PM
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LIsJustice posted...
But where did God come from?

SageHarpuia posted...
Moses didn't address him as "I Am" for nothing.

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C_Pain
09/17/17 5:20:16 PM
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Please close this topic. I'm an atheist now.
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SageHarpuia
09/17/17 5:22:40 PM
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C_Pain posted...
Please close this topic. I'm an atheist now.

No you're not.
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C_Pain
09/17/17 5:23:56 PM
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Who the fuck are you to say
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SageHarpuia
09/17/17 5:25:21 PM
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C_Pain posted...
Who the fuck are you to say

a prophet
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C_Pain
09/17/17 5:26:51 PM
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Jesus?
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SageHarpuia
09/17/17 5:28:37 PM
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God still loves you
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EpicMickeyDrew
09/17/17 5:28:59 PM
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weapon_d00d816 posted...
C_Pain posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Uhh isn't it the theists who believe that?

The Big Bang theory states that in the very beginning the entire universe was condensed into a tiny ball of incredible energy, which then expanded.

Theists believe a deity created the universe through waving a magic wand and poofing it into existence from nothing.

where did the condensed universe come from

god exists outside of the parameters of science and the universe so he can do whatever he wants

It didn't come from anywhere. It always existed in the sense that time started at its expansion.

"Before the beginning" is an invalid concept here, like trying to rewind a VHS tape beyond the very beginning. That's it. There isn't any further back to go.

Yes but before the beginning the VHS tape was created. Something created the very start of the VHS tape. @weapon_d00d816
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C_Pain
09/17/17 5:29:10 PM
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can i pray for forgiveness
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Aelia
09/17/17 5:31:19 PM
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Man created god to benefit from it.

"Give us money and do what we say and you will be rewarded. These rewards don't come from me and only come when you die"

Isn't that suppppperrrrr convenient for those in power? I don't know how people can't see through this ruse.
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SageHarpuia
09/17/17 5:31:22 PM
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C_Pain posted...
can i pray for forgiveness

Yes.
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Funkydog
09/17/17 5:32:43 PM
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C_Pain posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Where did God come from?

Super God made him

Who created Super God, hmm?
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SageHarpuia
09/17/17 5:33:21 PM
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"Give us money and do what we say and you will be rewarded. These rewards don't come from me and only come when you die"


Maybe prosperity preachers like Osteen, but our church's money goes strictly to missionaries, orphanages, and community services after the light and water bills.
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C_Pain
09/17/17 5:39:38 PM
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SageHarpuia posted...
C_Pain posted...
can i pray for forgiveness

Yes.

I pray... that I didn't turn on ya earlier!! HAHAH GOTEM
Funkydog posted...
C_Pain posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Where did God come from?

Super God made him

Who created Super God, hmm?

Super God has always been
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CircleOfManias
09/17/17 5:49:00 PM
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EpicMickeyDrew posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
C_Pain posted...
weapon_d00d816 posted...
Uhh isn't it the theists who believe that?

The Big Bang theory states that in the very beginning the entire universe was condensed into a tiny ball of incredible energy, which then expanded.

Theists believe a deity created the universe through waving a magic wand and poofing it into existence from nothing.

where did the condensed universe come from

god exists outside of the parameters of science and the universe so he can do whatever he wants

It didn't come from anywhere. It always existed in the sense that time started at its expansion.

"Before the beginning" is an invalid concept here, like trying to rewind a VHS tape beyond the very beginning. That's it. There isn't any further back to go.

Yes but before the beginning the VHS tape was created. Something created the very start of the VHS tape. @weapon_d00d816


A better analogy is it's like asking what's north of the north pole. Time, by definition, is the direction of increasing entropy. The beginning is 0 entropy, a singularity. The end is complete entropy, a uniform field of nothing that results after the heat death of the universe, and time becomes meaningless as at that point everything is static. Unless there's such a thing as negative entropy, "before the Big Bang" is a meaningless thing to refer to.
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prince_leo
09/17/17 5:56:20 PM
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I mean, both groups end up stuck at the same point
theists: "there was nothing before god"
atheists: "there was nothing before the big bang"

it's just like the idea that the universe is a simulation. still doesn't answer what actually caused the real universe to begin, just pushes it back a bit (panspermia is the same thing, i.e. how did the aliens come about in the first place to kickstart us?)
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SageHarpuia
09/17/17 6:00:51 PM
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prince_leo posted...
theists: "there was nothing before god"

There's no such thing as "before God", God is omnipresent.
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prince_leo
09/17/17 6:45:54 PM
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SageHarpuia posted...
There's no such thing as "before God", God is omnipresent.

Post 8 and 36 both argue why "before the big bang" has basically the same response you just gave
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SageHarpuia
09/17/17 9:42:59 PM
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prince_leo posted...
SageHarpuia posted...
There's no such thing as "before God", God is omnipresent.

Post 8 and 36 both argue why "before the big bang" has basically the same response you just gave

And yet the Big Bang Theory can't explain why the world is so intricate and orderly. Its an even bigger stretch than suggesting that libraries are the result of an explosion in a printing shop.
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CircleOfManias
09/18/17 8:45:45 AM
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SageHarpuia posted...
prince_leo posted...
SageHarpuia posted...
There's no such thing as "before God", God is omnipresent.

Post 8 and 36 both argue why "before the big bang" has basically the same response you just gave

And yet the Big Bang Theory can't explain why the world is so intricate and orderly. Its an even bigger stretch than suggesting that libraries are the result of an explosion in a printing shop.


I can't tell if you're trolling or really that dumb. The vast majority of the universe is empty space. It's why they fucking call it space. In some places (galactic filaments), there's enough stuff to form complex things, but the vast majority of those things are anything but orderly.
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lilORANG
09/18/17 8:53:28 AM
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Funkydog posted...
C_Pain posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Where did God come from?

Super God made him

Who created Super God, hmm?

Super God 2
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-Van_Zan-
09/18/17 9:14:55 AM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Where did God come from?

He is the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end, remember ?
He doesn't come from somewhere since He is everywhere, and has always been.
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RE_expert44
09/18/17 9:18:55 AM
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Damn daniel created all. Then he came back.
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knutjob
09/18/17 9:21:47 AM
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The big bang theory was first suggested by the Catholic church
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Mikablu
09/18/17 9:21:52 AM
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"The entire universe couldn't just already have existed! It had to be created by something!"
"So where did God come from?"
"God always existed! Nothing created him!"

/facepalm
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-Van_Zan-
09/18/17 9:27:59 AM
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Mikablu posted...
"The entire universe couldn't just already have existed! It had to be created by something!"
"So where did God come from?"
"God always existed! Nothing created him!"

/facepalm

The universe is tangible and palpable (bound by physical laws), God is beyond that, genius.
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CircleOfManias
09/18/17 12:36:46 PM
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-Van_Zan- posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
Where did God come from?

He is the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the beginning and the end, remember ?
He doesn't come from somewhere since He is everywhere, and has always been.


Why can't that just be true of the universe? What do you need the extra step for?
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Dustin1280
09/18/17 12:38:32 PM
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I actually enjoyed this topic, because of TC's remarks...
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Hexagon
09/18/17 3:13:57 PM
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@-Van_Zan- posted...
Mikablu posted...
"The entire universe couldn't just already have existed! It had to be created by something!"
"So where did God come from?"
"God always existed! Nothing created him!"

/facepalm

The universe is tangible and palpable (bound by physical laws), God is beyond that, genius.


What physical laws say that the universe cannot have been/cannot be eternal?
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