Board 8 > Freedom, Liberty, Ron Paul - 1+1=3 [dwmf]

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nah im pretty sure what the flaws actually are is relevant to consider
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The killings and wars and economic destruction and erosion of freedoms and support of multi-million genocide is all comparable
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So the US of the entire last century is comparable to Mao's China? Interesting
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Duh? Almost everything is comparable

"durr so you're telling me the size of an atom is comparable to the size of a galaxy??? no way is that possible!!!!!"
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The only thing that is not comparable is zero and non-zero. Or maybe negative and positive.
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if everything is comparable then whats the point of even mentioning it? It doesn't mean anything. Congrats on making meaningless statements I guess.
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It's just establishing an analogy on a scale that can be applied to both situations.

It's also ridiculing the notion that if there exists a Y that is more horrible than X than you can't say that X is horrible because omg have you heard of how horrible Y is?????
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on the other hand, that time I sneezed and the person next to me didn't say bless you was basically just like the holocaust
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That is literally what YOU are saying

You can't be mad at anyone because the holocaust happened and is wayyyyy worse than whatever they did
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And actually, you are a horrible person for being annoyed at someone who didn't say bless you to your sneeze, because the alternative is them committing another holocaust

And when the next holocaust happens, you will be right there to remind us "if only you weren't so offended anytime someone didn't say bless you to your sneeze!"
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https://twitter.com/BobMurphyEcon/status/912459369618526209
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the first two headlines on FEE

what in the actual fuck happened to this place

https://fee.org/articles/football-is-problematic-but-not-because-of-taketheknee/

https://fee.org/articles/in-praise-of-virtue-signaling/
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You should praise socialism and totalitarianism

Just to get back at them, you know?
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just got a targeted FB ad for custom-ordered condoms (available in 10 sizes)

not sure if joke or not
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I actually looked those up recently so maybe it connected you with me and shared the ad data
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https://shareblue.com/trumps-failed-boycott-leads-to-most-watched-sunday-football-in-seven-years/

Free choice is clearly failing us in our attempt to paint social justice as a horrible destroyer of capitalism and profit. The only solution to avoid such constant embarrassment is a socialized sports network that forces people to stop watching when the president is offended.
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SmartMuffin posted...

nah im pretty sure what the flaws actually are is relevant to consider

from a libertarian perspective, trump's flaws are big enough for foolmo's "it's stupid to praise trump for 'shaking up US politics' when he's so terrible" comment to make sense. of course you already knew this, but you just have to passionately defend trump every single time someone attacks him.
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I didn't "passionately defend Trump", I attacked Chinese communism, which murdered 10s of millions of people.

To which foolmo's response is "but Trump tho"
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his response wasn't "but trump tho," it was "saying 'but let's look at the GOOD things chinese communism did!' is as stupid as saying 'but let's look at the GOOD things about trump!'"

then you went "ARE YOU SAYING TRUMP KILLED 50 MILLION PEOPLE LOL," which obviously wasn't the point he was making.
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SmartMuffin posted...

To which foolmo's response is "but Trump tho"

Not but, and

I realize that it's possible for 2 bad things to exist at once. And more importantly, that one really bad thing doesn't excuse a less bad thing.
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it's not "less bad" so much as "not even remotely comparable"

it's also a blatantly transparent attempt, by you, to associate Trump with literally the worst evils in the history of the human race, for ideological purposes

"communist china and trump" makes no sense in any logical way, "communist china and the soviet union and cuba and cambodia and nazi germany" might, but that might require you to take off your che t-shirt
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deMEXCsB7L4

Really good take on automation vs jobs that made me make a very simple connection.

My theory has always been that more automation means existing jobs will go away, but more jobs will open up. And a separate theory is that lots of jobs will inevitably be obsoleted. And another theory is that people can educate themselves on a new career if they need to.

But I finally figured out the generalized connection between all of those - automation simply reduces the length/viability of a career.

Back in the 1400s or whatever, you had careers that spanned CENTURIES. Your father's father's father's father's father was a blacksmith, so naturally you are continuing their career as a smith. In the 1800s, careers spanned only a couple generations. Maybe it's the same farm your grandfather owned, but your kids are moving to the city. In the 1900s, your career spanned your lifetime. You go to college when you're 18, start a career at 22, retire at 65, and that's it. A steady downward trend of shortened careers due to automation.

The transition from manual blacksmithing to automated took a few generations. Some blacksmithing families struggled in the process, sure, but you had entire lives to figure it out. The transition to automated agriculture was a bit more harsh, but the kids still had the opportunity to learn some new things while they were young and start a new career elsewhere.

But then we reach the 2000s. Automation has reduced the length of a career to 10, 20 years. It is now impossible to have a career that spans your life. It has been a smooth trend in the past, but we just passed a barrier that fundamentally changes the entire foundation of society. You can no longer learn something, and then do it, and then retire. Instead, you must learn something, learn more things, keep learning things over and over, until you retire. The economy is pulling us in that direction fast, but society has not at all adjusted to this shift and is resisting. There will be massive growing pains until we are fully transitioned. We're only maybe 10-15% into that transition so far, at most.

This is where all the "millenials don't have careers anymore, just jobs" stuff comes from. This is where the simultaneous hyper-valuation and hyper-devaluation of college degrees comes from. This is where MAGA and young people desperately hanging onto traditionalism and fundamentalism comes from. This is where rabid anti-capitalism and pro-communism, the wish to freeze the economy at its current level of growth comes from. It's the old society, based on careers spanning an entire lifetime, clashing with the modern reality of a poly-career life and economy. It's raw fear.

Normally I hate theories that are based on the current time being especially interesting or exceptional, since they almost always come from the fallacy that your life is more special because you're alive during it. But you can't deny how massive and disruptive the shift in society from 50-year careers to 10-year careers is. Even the shift from family-based career to individual careers doesn't come close.

So yeah, maybe our time is kinda special after all, and it will be tumultuous and messy. But if it results in a new society where constant individual learning and growth and adaptation to new technology and careers is the standard way of life, the future will be very good.
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SmartMuffin posted...

it's not "less bad" so much as "not even remotely comparable"

why is it so hard for you to understand that it's about the concept and not about trump being comparable to chinese communism?

like, you could also say that "let's ignore the terrible stuff charles manson did! we should talk about the awesome music he recorded with the beach boys instead!" is a stupid thing to say. no, this does not mean charles manson is responsible for as many deaths as trump or chinese communism and nobody is saying that. but the concept is exactly the same.

seriously, one of the things that pisses me off the most in arguments is when people use comparisons/analogies/etc. and the kneejerk reaction of people is to complain that what the person is comparing it to is not 100% the same as the subject at hand. i've had arguments like this way, way too many times:

idiot: trump is awesome because lots of people like him.
me: well, lots of people also liked hitler. that doesn't say much.
idiot: ARE YOU SAYING TRUMP IS HITLER LOL LASA

no, obviously that's NOT what i'm saying. perhaps you should think for one fucking microsecond about the point i'm making instead of immediately bashing away at your keyboard.
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SmartMuffin posted...

it's also a blatantly transparent attempt

What's wrong with transparency?
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I thought the whole automation/technology and career length thing was basic knowledge, but yeah I agree entirely.

Colleges and universities are going to start dying off en masse in a couple decades, if not sooner, if we don't see a significant shift in their operational philosophy, which probably won't happen. That said, the market for education is going to be larger than ever. Instead of kids 18-25 being 99% of your customer base, you're going to have people 18-50 start being your base. It'll be interesting to see who figures that out and dominated the market.

Obvious move would seem to be a greater proliferation of online courses, as well as time condensed intensive courses with a far more narrow focus than conventional education. It'll be interesting to see how that trickles down to K-12 education once the transition really kicks into gear.

And if that transition away from general education does transpire, how does that effect general knowledge? Do we rely solely on the media at that point to brainwash our children or do we still figure out a way to make sure to teach all of our kids know how great FDR and the new deal was?
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HotDogButts posted...

I thought the whole automation/technology and career length thing was basic knowledge

It is, but I didn't make all the connections until now
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General education is always gonna be around. It's main purpose is childcare anyways, so that will always have a place in society. Except maybe it will just be robots!

The other main purpose is nationalism and indoctrination, so government will definitely want to keep it around for that.

It would be interesting if decentralized knowledge became far more prevalent in childrens' education though. More research exercises, wikipedia, deriving proofs, hands-on projects and such. Maybe the robots could handle the the typical child care and rote memorization crap and let teachers focus on the difficult open-ended stuff like that? Homeschooling is obviously an application of that too.
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https://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/gulf/2017/09/26/Saudi-Arabia-King-Salman-orders-driving-licenses-for-women.html

social pressure fucking up the morals of yet another formerly pure country
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http://reason.com/blog/2017/09/27/moms-run-in-with-alleged-sex-traffickers

this kinda stuff is amazing
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It's the new Satanic Panic.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-41097947

great value add from Twitter's trust and safety council here
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If it was an auto ban that's 100% believable since Twitter's business model seems to be hiring the absolutely least competent programmers they can find, in large quantities
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http://reason.com/blog/2017/09/28/how-ron-paul-gets-the-nfl-take-the-knee

Ron Paul takes the position and says the exact same things about this that Reason does, but he also kinda sorta implied that maybe the left was up to something not entirely wholesome therefore he is wrong.
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Ron Paul appeared on Alex Jones's InfoWars to weigh in on the controversy that has the nation pointlessly aggrieved

why
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because only the right is actually interested in the opinions of actual libertarians?
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The cultural marxism boogeyman is dumb as hell but this guy read one too many SSC articles... it's not exactly difficult to bash this concept
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SmartMuffin posted...

because only the right is actually interested in the opinions of actual libertarians?

I probably can't think of anyone who gives less of a shit about RP's opinion than Alex Jones. He's just a stage prop on Alex's show. Like a lamp or something.
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http://reason.com/blog/2017/09/28/7700-is-your-share-of-the-wars-in-afghan

That's all? Actually a lot less than I wold have guessed. I could pay off my share easily enough. Definitely no real value from it though.
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Those calculations are dumb because it uses an equal distribution which makes no sense. They could probably make a simple function based on payroll tax bracket and # of years you paid taxes.
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i don't get why everyone who could possibly be identified as "right-wing" has appeared on infowars. what do people think they can gain from an appearance there?

i get that you'd like to be on there for marketing reasons, but even people who don't need the exposure at all appear on the show. it's really weird.
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tbh I would go on there if he invited me

sounds fun as hell
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https://www.facebook.com/LibertyMemesPage/posts/1444580932329854:0

For foolmo
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Simple, but nice
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yesterday

http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/09/28/nolte-yahoo-sportswriter-shames-black-nhl-star-refuses-protest-national-anthem/

today

https://sports.yahoo.com/farewell-puck-daddy-readers-162937680.html
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It's funny because the NFL is literally a plantation mindset and that when one man (Kaepernick) decided to stray off the standard NFL message that America is so fucking awesome and the military can do no wrong people lost their collective minds.

Yet when a man says he's gonna do nothing, they feel the need to praise him as an independent thinker.

Like, I didn't protest any anthems yesterday, either, does that make me an awesome patriotic American? In fact, I spent 100% of my days not protesting anthems like Subban. Where's my heroic Breitbart op-ed?
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Did someone write an article about how sad it was that you weren't acting exactly how they wanted you to?
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