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BillyKidd
09/13/17 1:26:28 PM
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Yet, I'm to be held accountable for something 5% of the American population did in the 18th Century?
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EmeralDragon23
09/13/17 1:27:20 PM
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When was the last time you were personally punished for slavery?
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BillyKidd
09/13/17 1:28:28 PM
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Last time I collected a paycheck and had money deducted from it.
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The Great Muta 22
09/13/17 1:29:28 PM
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BillyKidd posted...
Last time I collected a paycheck and had money deducted from it.


That doesn't happen
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creativerealms
09/13/17 1:33:19 PM
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The DACA dreamers should be treated for theirs own actions. They are not undocumented (since they are in a government program) they have no criminal record, they are educated or are furthering their education and they all have good jobs. There are millions of criminal immigrants out there selling drugs and just being a burden on society and instead you are focusing on the ones who are doing everything right.

I believe that Trump is going after the dreamers because they are an easy target. It means eight hundred thousand deported immigrants at once and makes him look like a man of action and his word. It is a warning shot really to scare immigrants. The illegals will go into hiding is the people who did everything right are not safe.
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09/13/17 1:34:48 PM
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Darkman124
09/13/17 1:36:22 PM
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BillyKidd posted...
Yet, I'm to be held accountable for something 5% of the American population did in the 18th Century?


how exactly do you think you are 'to be held accountable'

be specific since the way DACA kids would be 'held accountable' is 'being deported'
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DrizztLink
09/13/17 1:39:16 PM
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BillyKidd posted...
Last time I collected a paycheck and had money deducted from it.

...Are you implying that taxes are reparations?
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C_Pain
09/13/17 1:40:39 PM
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Taxation is theft
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AlternativeFAQS
09/13/17 1:42:01 PM
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Hey tc how does one become this stupid
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CADE FOSTER
09/13/17 1:51:50 PM
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Darker Cheshire
09/13/17 1:52:17 PM
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Where does the 5% figure come from?

While 8% of families owned slaves (per 1860 census - Source: http://www.civil-war.net/pages/1860_census.html), it doesn't make sense to include states which slavery was already illegal (free states). If you isolate states with slave owners the number increases to 27%. Over a quarter of Americans living in Southern states owned slaves. This is including a 3% outlier (Delaware), which if you remove the number increases to 29% of American families in slave owning states were slave owners (49% of the non-slave population in Mississippi were slave owners)

A rather disgusting proportion of Americans owned slaves in states which slavery was legal.
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UnholyMudcrab
09/13/17 1:53:02 PM
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One day there will come a troll topic so obvious that no one bites. It will truly be a momentous day.
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TheoryzC
09/13/17 1:56:27 PM
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Smh
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UnfairRepresent
09/13/17 1:58:10 PM
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Darker Cheshire posted...
Where does the 5% figure come from?

While 8% of families owned slaves (

Even if you pretend this is true its not relevant to TC's point
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Darker Cheshire
09/13/17 1:59:56 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Darker Cheshire posted...
Where does the 5% figure come from?

While 8% of families owned slaves (

Even if you pretend this is true its not relevant to TC's point


I wasn't aware the TC had a point.
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UnfairRepresent
09/13/17 2:03:42 PM
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Darker Cheshire posted...


I wasn't aware the TC had a point.

His point is that you cannot simutaniously blame people for the actions of others and insist on not blaming people for the actions of others.
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Darker Cheshire
09/13/17 2:05:57 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Darker Cheshire posted...


I wasn't aware the TC had a point.

His point is that you cannot simutaniously blame people for the actions of others and insist on not blaming people for the actions of others.


The circumstances are more nuanced for a simple direct comparison and thus falls into false equivalency. There's no point.
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LordRazziel
09/13/17 2:06:46 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Darker Cheshire posted...


I wasn't aware the TC had a point.

His point is that you cannot simutaniously blame people for the actions of others and insist on not blaming people for the actions of others.

Which isn't part of what most liberals think. He's asking the majority to defend the stance of others.
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UnfairRepresent
09/13/17 2:09:49 PM
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Darker Cheshire posted...

The circumstances are more nuanced for a simple direct comparison

How convenient
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mario2000
09/13/17 2:10:54 PM
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Yet, I'm to be held accountable for something 5% of the American population did in the 18th Century?

no one is saying this

quit being willfully ignorant
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BillyKidd
09/13/17 2:13:00 PM
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Darkman124 posted...
BillyKidd posted...
Yet, I'm to be held accountable for something 5% of the American population did in the 18th Century?


how exactly do you think you are 'to be held accountable'

be specific since the way DACA kids would be 'held accountable' is 'being deported'


have you listened to the ones on the tv? "White guilt", "systemic racism"; You have people like Tariq Nasheed and others, saying that we are responsible for what our white ancestors did 200 years ago, yet they say we shouldn't fault dreamers for what their parents did 20 years ago.
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Villain
09/13/17 2:13:08 PM
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mario2000 posted...
Yet, I'm to be held accountable for something 5% of the American population did in the 18th Century?

no one is saying this

quit being willfully ignorant


This is why you should stay in school
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BillyKidd
09/13/17 2:15:17 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
BillyKidd posted...
Last time I collected a paycheck and had money deducted from it.

...Are you implying that taxes are reparations?


No I'm implying where my tax money is being dispersed.
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LordRazziel
09/13/17 2:16:26 PM
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BillyKidd posted...
Darkman124 posted...
BillyKidd posted...
Yet, I'm to be held accountable for something 5% of the American population did in the 18th Century?


how exactly do you think you are 'to be held accountable'

be specific since the way DACA kids would be 'held accountable' is 'being deported'


have you listened to the ones on the tv? "White guilt", "systemic racism"; You have people like Tariq Nasheed and others, saying that we are responsible for what our white ancestors did 200 years ago, yet they say we shouldn't fault dreamers for what their parents did 20 years ago.

Why are you asking people to defend the stance of others?
That's like saying, "You're Conservative, why do you believe in white supremacy?"
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darkphoenix181
09/13/17 2:20:00 PM
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this puts into perspective why reparations should never happen

punishing the children for the sins of the fathers


and someone might argue "but white privilege! the country as a whole benefited from those sins so it can afford to pay"
maybe true, but it is also true that the dreamers are benefiting and continue to benefit from what their parents did that they couldn't control
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BillyKidd
09/13/17 2:20:48 PM
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unlike liberals that took months of assaults, arson, vandalism, etc... to finally denounce Antifa, conservatives have denounced white supremacists from jump.
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LordRazziel
09/13/17 2:21:45 PM
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BillyKidd posted...
unlike liberals that took months of assaults, arson, vandalism, etc... to finally denounce Antifa, conservatives have denounced white supremacists from jump.

You're doing it, agian.
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BillyKidd
09/13/17 2:24:40 PM
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ok fine.

unlike liberals that have jobs in the entertainment industry, news, and politics; aka the liberals with a voice that everyone sees, that took months of assaults, arson, vandalism, etc... to finally denounce Antifa, conservatives have denounced white supremacists from jump.
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mario2000
09/13/17 2:27:03 PM
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wtf is "from jump"
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LordRazziel
09/13/17 2:28:05 PM
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BillyKidd posted...
ok fine.

unlike liberals that have jobs in the entertainment industry, news, and politics; aka the liberals with a voice that everyone sees, that took months of assaults, arson, vandalism, etc... to finally denounce Antifa, conservatives have denounced white supremacists from jump.

What is your point?
How does it relate to your topic?
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CADE FOSTER
09/13/17 2:31:46 PM
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BillyKidd
09/13/17 2:31:57 PM
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The point is the liberals with huge followings resulting from social media, news, entertainment, and politics have this huge cognitive dissonance when it comes to the matter at hand. Don't punish this group for what their parents did but do punish this group for what people who most likely aren't even related to them did 200 years ago.
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darkphoenix181
09/13/17 2:33:16 PM
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BillyKidd posted...
The point is the liberals with huge followings resulting from social media, news, entertainment, and politics have this huge cognitive dissonance when it comes to the matter at hand. Don't punish this group for what their parents did but do punish this group for what people who most likely aren't even related to them did 200 years ago.


so you agree DACA should stay?

or you think DACA should go but you pay reparations to black people?
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BillyKidd
09/13/17 2:33:21 PM
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CADE FOSTER posted...
tc taking all the L's today


how so? All you've contributed to the topic is hurr durr i make teh funniez
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Darkman124
09/13/17 2:33:31 PM
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BillyKidd posted...

have you listened to the ones on the tv?


generally no

i focus on things that matter like laws
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hollow_shrine
09/13/17 2:33:43 PM
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EmeralDragon23 posted...
When was the last time you were personally punished for slavery?

Really, TC? You're going to ignore this highly specific and topical retort to your plainly disingenuous assertions?
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BillyKidd
09/13/17 2:36:21 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
BillyKidd posted...
The point is the liberals with huge followings resulting from social media, news, entertainment, and politics have this huge cognitive dissonance when it comes to the matter at hand. Don't punish this group for what their parents did but do punish this group for what people who most likely aren't even related to them did 200 years ago.


so you agree DACA should stay?

or you think DACA should go but you pay reparations to black people?


I don't give a shit. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of those with a voice on the left are saying. DACA was an unconstitutional executive order that Trump eliminated and forced to be done the right way, through the legislative branch.
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LordRazziel
09/13/17 2:37:13 PM
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BillyKidd posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
BillyKidd posted...
The point is the liberals with huge followings resulting from social media, news, entertainment, and politics have this huge cognitive dissonance when it comes to the matter at hand. Don't punish this group for what their parents did but do punish this group for what people who most likely aren't even related to them did 200 years ago.


so you agree DACA should stay?

or you think DACA should go but you pay reparations to black people?


I don't give a shit. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of those with a voice on the left are saying. DACA was an unconstitutional executive order that Trump eliminated and forced to be done the right way, through the legislative branch.

Okay. So what good came from this topic?
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darkphoenix181
09/13/17 2:37:24 PM
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BillyKidd posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
BillyKidd posted...
The point is the liberals with huge followings resulting from social media, news, entertainment, and politics have this huge cognitive dissonance when it comes to the matter at hand. Don't punish this group for what their parents did but do punish this group for what people who most likely aren't even related to them did 200 years ago.


so you agree DACA should stay?

or you think DACA should go but you pay reparations to black people?


I don't give a shit. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of those with a voice on the left are saying. DACA was an unconstitutional executive order that Trump eliminated and forced to be done the right way, through the legislative branch.


but you would be a hypocrite too if you think DACA people should be deported but reparations should be forgot about
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BillyKidd
09/13/17 2:37:53 PM
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hollow_shrine posted...
EmeralDragon23 posted...
When was the last time you were personally punished for slavery?

Really, TC? You're going to ignore this highly specific and topical retort to your plainly disingenuous assertions?


Post #4 and #27
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BLAKUboy
09/13/17 2:37:59 PM
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LordRazziel posted...
Okay. So what good came from this topic?

We got to laugh at TC.
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hollow_shrine
09/13/17 2:46:20 PM
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BillyKidd posted...
hollow_shrine posted...
EmeralDragon23 posted...
When was the last time you were personally punished for slavery?

Really, TC? You're going to ignore this highly specific and topical retort to your plainly disingenuous assertions?


Post #4 and #27

Well it's been thirty years, and I ain't got my money, honey. You're late with those reparations. What percent are we supposed to be garnishing your wages, bearing in mind that your taxes pay for other things like schooling, infrastructure, law enforcement, literal clean water, food and air, etc. For how many years? How much back pay do you think we're looking at?
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LordRazziel
09/13/17 2:51:51 PM
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BLAKUboy posted...
LordRazziel posted...
Okay. So what good came from this topic?

We got to laugh at TC.

If you consider that a good thing...
I don't.
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Gheb
09/13/17 2:59:52 PM
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So my ancestors did own slaves and I have never ever been punished for it, neither has my father, or my grandfather. I'm curious what sort of punishment Billy is undergoing that my family has unknowingly avoided for generations.
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Lightsasori
09/13/17 3:08:30 PM
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I actually agree with TC because it is hypocritical. Which is why I am against reparations and I support DACA.
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