Current Events > now scientists are thinking T-Rex didn't have feathers after all

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https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jun/07/feather-furore-trex-may-not-have-been-fluffy-after-all-skin-study-suggests

A new study by Phil Bell and colleagues has got the core of this debate. They describe skin impressions from a T rex specimen known as ‘Wyrex’ from the Houston Museum of Natural Science, collected from the Hell Creek Formation in Montana. They describe minute scales in clusters, divided by bands of skin, which are arranged in patterns reminiscent of veins on a leaf, and no evidence of feathers, or other features associated with avian integument.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/06/world-s-only-fossils-t-rex-skin-suggest-it-was-covered-scales-not-feathers

But without direct proof that T. rex had feathers, some scientists decided to hunt for clues in the next-best place: fossilized skin. They examined the world’s only known fossils of T. rex skin—from the neck, pelvis, and tail of a long-dead dino named Wyrex, stored since 2006 at the Houston Museum of Natural Science in Texas (above). They found no sign of feathers; just smooth, scaly skin. They also analyzed skin impressions from large tyrannosaurs that lived around the same time, such as Albertosaurus and Gorgosaurus. Like Wyrex, those dinosaurs were covered in scales,

https://phys.org/news/2017-06-rex-feathery.html

Tyrannosaurus rex had scales, not feathers, said a study Wednesday which rescues the giant lizard's reputation as a fearsome killer with a rough-and-tough hide.

Recent research has claimed to provide evidence for feathers in ancestors of T. rex, and suggested the iconic carnivore may itself have sported bird-like plumage rather than reptilian scales.

Those findings challenged a long-held contention that large-bodied dinos had no feathers, requiring them for neither warmth nor flight.


The data provides "compelling evidence" of an entirely scaly covering for T. rex, the team wrote in the Royal Society journal Biology Letters.
This suggested, in turn, "that most (if not all) large-bodied tyrannosaurids were scaly and, if partly feathered, these were limited to the dorsum (back)," they wrote.

R.I.P. giant chicken theory

inb4 next year a new study says they did have feathers


https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--Gm5BOuHc--/c_fill,fl_progressive,g_center,h_450,q_80,w_800/813266302148042132.jpg


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Can't they just look at early episodes of the Larry King show to see who he had on as guests?

Thank God. Now just find some evidence the rest of them didn't have feathers either.
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I don't remember ever hearing that it did.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

I don't remember ever hearing that it did.

Recent research has claimed to provide evidence for feathers in ancestors of T. rex, and suggested the iconic carnivore may itself have sported bird-like plumage rather than reptilian scales.

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The feathers are quite stupid looking.
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ffs make up your minds nerds
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Why didn't scientists just rite a book 2000 years ago that says if they do or don't have feathers? That'd solve the problem once and for all

Iconic carnivore? So they've changed their minds about it having been a scavenger as well? I can't keep up.
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like, where have you been @UnholyMudcrab ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrannosaurus

While there is no direct evidence for Tyrannosaurus rex having had feathers, many scientists now consider it likely that T. rex had feathers on at least parts of its body,[33] due to their presence in related species. Mark Norell of the American Museum of Natural History summarized the balance of evidence by stating that: "we have as much evidence that T. rex was feathered, at least during some stage of its life, as we do that australopithecines like Lucy had hair."[34]

The first evidence for feathers in tyrannosauroids came from the small species Dilong paradoxus, found in the Yixian Formation of China, and reported in 2004. As with many other theropods discovered in the Yixian, the fossil skeleton was preserved with a coat of filamentous structures which are commonly recognized as the precursors of feathers.[35] Because all known skin impressions from larger tyrannosauroids known at the time showed evidence of scales, the researchers who studied Dilong speculated that feathers may correlate negatively with body size—that juveniles may have been feathered, then shed the feathers and expressed only scales as the animal became larger and no longer needed insulation to stay warm.[35] However, subsequent discoveries showed that even some large tyrannosauroids had feathers covering much of their bodies, casting doubt on the hypothesis that they were a size-related feature.[36]

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EbonTitanium posted...

The feathers are quite stupid looking.

you just insulted millions of species of birds how insensitive!
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darkphoenix181 posted...

like, where have you been UnholyMudcrab ?

I guess not paying attention to archaeology reports? Get off my back about it.
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t-rex is verystrong
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

like, where have you been UnholyMudcrab ?

I guess not paying attention to archaeology reports? Get off my back about it.

sorry

but I mean CE went crazy about chickenosaurs
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Shepard.

darkphoenix181 posted...

Wyrex

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

I don't remember ever hearing that it did.

From the first article:

The discovery of simple, shaftless feathers on Dilong paradoxus, a 2-metre-long basal tyrannosauroid from the early Cretaceous of China, led to the suggestion that the tyrannosauroids as a group were feathered. Since the tyrannosauroids also includes the late Cretaceous heavyweight superstars that people have heard of, such as Tyrannosaurus, Albertosaurus and Gorgosaurus, this idea gained much interest.

This evidence led to people speculating that Tyrannosaurus may have had feathers. But I don't recall anyone ever saying anything beyond, "Tyrannosaurus might have had feathers."
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DarkDragon400 posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I don't remember ever hearing that it did.

From the first article:

The discovery of simple, shaftless feathers on Dilong paradoxus, a 2-metre-long basal tyrannosauroid from the early Cretaceous of China, led to the suggestion that the tyrannosauroids as a group were feathered. Since the tyrannosauroids also includes the late Cretaceous heavyweight superstars that people have heard of, such as Tyrannosaurus, Albertosaurus and Gorgosaurus, this idea gained much interest.

This evidence led to people speculating that Tyrannosaurus may have had feathers. But I don't recall anyone ever saying anything beyond, "Tyrannosaurus might have had feathers."

Well this guy at least heavily suggests it. I mean, Lucy is always depicted as having hair isn't she?

From wiki source:

https://www.wired.com/2012/04/yutyrannus-huali-feathers/

As for the possibility of a plumed T. rex, “We have as much evidence that T. rex was feathered, at least during some stage of its life, as we do that australopithecines like Lucy had hair,” said Mark Norell of the American Museum of Natural History.

“It’s an exciting time to be a dinosaur paleontologist,” said Norell. The feather findings “have rocked the world in terms of how we think of” dinosaurs, he said. “Instead of giant lizards, they were basically weird birds.”

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This is the sole reason to create a time machine, to solve the T-Rex debate once and for all.
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wait


if T-Rex was scaly BUT had feathers on his back

sounds like wings


DRAGONS
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darkphoenix181 posted...

DarkDragon400 posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I don't remember ever hearing that it did.

From the first article:

The discovery of simple, shaftless feathers on Dilong paradoxus, a 2-metre-long basal tyrannosauroid from the early Cretaceous of China, led to the suggestion that the tyrannosauroids as a group were feathered. Since the tyrannosauroids also includes the late Cretaceous heavyweight superstars that people have heard of, such as Tyrannosaurus, Albertosaurus and Gorgosaurus, this idea gained much interest.

This evidence led to people speculating that Tyrannosaurus may have had feathers. But I don't recall anyone ever saying anything beyond, "Tyrannosaurus might have had feathers."

Well this guy at least heavily suggests it. I mean, Lucy is always depicted as having hair isn't she?

From wiki source:

https://www.wired.com/2012/04/yutyrannus-huali-feathers/

As for the possibility of a plumed T. rex, “We have as much evidence that T. rex was feathered, at least during some stage of its life, as we do that australopithecines like Lucy had hair,” said Mark Norell of the American Museum of Natural History.

“It’s an exciting time to be a dinosaur paleontologist,” said Norell. The feather findings “have rocked the world in terms of how we think of” dinosaurs, he said. “Instead of giant lizards, they were basically weird birds.”

Thing is even before feather imprints were found Dinosaurs similarities to birds was known by scientists. The shape of their skeletons was a large indicator.

I have never understood the problem people have with dinosaurs be By related to birds or feathered dinosaurs. Birds can look intimidating.
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I fucking knew it motherfuckers. Suck my wenis, feathered dino advocates.

Just in time for Jurassic World 2
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creativerealms posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

DarkDragon400 posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

I don't remember ever hearing that it did.

From the first article:

The discovery of simple, shaftless feathers on Dilong paradoxus, a 2-metre-long basal tyrannosauroid from the early Cretaceous of China, led to the suggestion that the tyrannosauroids as a group were feathered. Since the tyrannosauroids also includes the late Cretaceous heavyweight superstars that people have heard of, such as Tyrannosaurus, Albertosaurus and Gorgosaurus, this idea gained much interest.

This evidence led to people speculating that Tyrannosaurus may have had feathers. But I don't recall anyone ever saying anything beyond, "Tyrannosaurus might have had feathers."

Well this guy at least heavily suggests it. I mean, Lucy is always depicted as having hair isn't she?

From wiki source:

https://www.wired.com/2012/04/yutyrannus-huali-feathers/

As for the possibility of a plumed T. rex, “We have as much evidence that T. rex was feathered, at least during some stage of its life, as we do that australopithecines like Lucy had hair,” said Mark Norell of the American Museum of Natural History.

“It’s an exciting time to be a dinosaur paleontologist,” said Norell. The feather findings “have rocked the world in terms of how we think of” dinosaurs, he said. “Instead of giant lizards, they were basically weird birds.”

Thing is even before feather imprints were found Dinosaurs similarities to birds was known by scientists. The shape of their skeletons was a large indicator.

I have never understood the problem people have with dinosaurs be By related to birds or feathered dinosaurs. Birds can look intimidating.

(Not really intimidating, but I found this picture and wanted to post it.)
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more proof that dinosaurs were not real and paleontologists are obsessed with whale bones.
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fenderbender321 posted...

That's why while I respect the scientific process, the results should always be taken with LOTS of salt. Next thing we'll learn in the next 5 years? That processed meats and foods are actually good for you.

and wireless signals and radio waves are what's truly causing cancer.
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