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darkphoenix181
09/07/17 3:56:26 PM
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A poor downtrodden female scientist who just wants to save the plants!
vs.
a rich white cis male on a power trip who constantly beats up poor people and helps cops and trusts in privatized prisons and uses women to keep up his secret identity like objects\tools as a millionaire playboy
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Zanzenburger
09/07/17 4:04:02 PM
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lol

On a slightly related note, the new Superhero Girls movies and TV show made Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy into good guys. Were they not able to find enough female heroes that they had to dig into the villain pool?
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darkphoenix181
09/07/17 4:05:34 PM
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Zanzenburger posted...
lol

On a slightly related note, the new Superhero Girls movies and TV show made Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy into good guys. Were they not able to find enough female heroes that they had to dig into the villain pool?


that is because like a year or two ago in the comics they made Ivy and Harley into anti-heroes on suicide squad

not sure how Ivy lost her thirst to feed people to plants but..
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3khc
09/07/17 4:05:37 PM
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Poison Ivy kills people. Batman does not.
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darkphoenix181
09/07/17 4:06:13 PM
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3khc posted...
Poison Ivy kills people. Batman does not.


she only kills bad people who had it coming and voted for Trump
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Antifar
09/07/17 4:06:51 PM
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I mean, the idea that the best way for a billionaire to help fight crime is as a vigilante dressed as a bat is pretty ludicrous if given more than five seconds' thought.
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Duncanwii
09/07/17 4:07:02 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
Zanzenburger posted...
lol

On a slightly related note, the new Superhero Girls movies and TV show made Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy into good guys. Were they not able to find enough female heroes that they had to dig into the villain pool?


that is because like a year or two ago in the comics they made Ivy and Harley into anti-heroes on suicide squad

not sure how Ivy lost her thirst to feed people to plants but..

I've never seen the appeal of Harly Quinn. Is it the whole clown bit that everyone loves. Because to be honest clowns are creepy and not hot at all.
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darkphoenix181
09/07/17 4:08:30 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
I've never seen the appeal of Harly Quinn.


she is a blonde with huge knockers and a big butt
and many men find crazy women hot in bed
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MildlyIrkedOwl
09/07/17 4:11:14 PM
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You joke but when you really think about it batman is a fucking psycho
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darkphoenix181
09/07/17 4:12:25 PM
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MildlyIrkedOwl posted...
You joke but when you really think about it batman is a fucking psycho


idk

in a world where people fly, aliens exist and a woman feeds people to plants

Batman is probably one of the few who are sane enough to accept reality for what it is
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DragonPick
09/07/17 4:15:10 PM
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Batman's an asshole for not killing people like poison ivy, joker, and killer croc and not letting superman just come take care of shit.

People are dying because of this shit
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darkphoenix181
09/07/17 4:16:44 PM
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DragonPick posted...
Batman's an a****** for not killing people


not killing people makes you an a******
who knew
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Duncanwii
09/07/17 4:16:45 PM
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DragonPick posted...
Batman's an asshole for not killing people like poison ivy, joker, and killer croc and not letting superman just come take care of shit.

People are dying because of this shit

Batman doesn't kill people because once you start you can't stop and soon you are exactly the same as the people you kill. Its a slippery slope Bruce doesn't want to go down.
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ChromaticAngel
09/07/17 4:20:11 PM
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Zanzenburger posted...
lol

On a slightly related note, the new Superhero Girls movies and TV show made Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy into good guys. Were they not able to find enough female heroes that they had to dig into the villain pool?


Superhero Girls isn't canon to the rest of DCU. They went with familiarity and relatability over accuracy. It's a spin off for little girls, it's not meant to be this gritty action-packed comic about sex, mental disabilities, and murder.

It's basically My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic but with Superheroes.
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Axiom
09/07/17 4:22:32 PM
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DragonPick posted...
Batman's an asshole for not killing people like poison ivy, joker, and killer croc and not letting superman just come take care of shit.

People are dying because of this shit

True. He puts Joker in jail. Joker breaks out and mass murders. Batman puts him back in jail and the cycle repeats. Hero my ass
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HylianFox
09/07/17 4:23:17 PM
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Batman is more of an anti-hero anyway

A vigilante
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darkphoenix181
09/07/17 4:24:38 PM
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HylianFox posted...
Batman is more of an anti-hero anyway

A vigilante


a silent protector

a dark knight

he's the hero Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
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HylianFox
09/07/17 4:24:57 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Batman doesn't kill people because once you start you can't stop and soon you are exactly the same as the people you kill. Its a slippery slope Bruce doesn't want to go down.

So he allows innocent people to die because he doesn't want to become a killer himself, and yet by his non-action it cancels out
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ChromaticAngel
09/07/17 4:27:45 PM
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Axiom posted...
DragonPick posted...
Batman's an asshole for not killing people like poison ivy, joker, and killer croc and not letting superman just come take care of shit.

People are dying because of this shit

True. He puts Joker in jail. Joker breaks out and mass murders. Batman puts him back in jail and the cycle repeats. Hero my ass


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DragonPick
09/07/17 4:29:14 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
not killing people makes you an a******
who knew


Not killing people like maybe most iterations of riddler, catwoman, or mr freeze (maybe not, he tends to just fucking freeze gotham every now and then, but you understand me?) is just fine. These guys need help and don't murder on a daily basis (again, not all versions). But throwing guys like Joker them into a corrupt paper prison where they can not only influence more people to help them cause their unnecessary destruction is just fucked.

I say he's an asshole, because he's taken gotham as his sole responsibility and refuses help, when it would save more lives. Maybe asshole is too harsh? Is that the problem? Misguided and poor in judgement then.

Clayface, I would be wrong on though.

Duncanwii posted...
Batman doesn't kill people because once you start you can't stop and soon you are exactly the same as the people you kill. Its a slippery slope Bruce doesn't want to go down.


I know this, but I always thought it was a horrible and flimsy excuse. 1) if he doesn't have the self control to set punishments that match crimes, maybe he shouldn't have the responsibility as batman. 2) Repeat mass murderers probably do just need to not be around anymore and it's not like he's ignorant to the fact that arkham is shit.

I get that some of these people need help, but many of them can't be helped. Ivy has been helped recently (I didn't know that until this topic, cool) so I concede alongside clayface, maybe there's a method to his madness, but how many lives have to be lost trying to find the good apples among a group of mass murdering repeat offenders?

There's several of stories where he works as bruce in order to better places like arkham and it's an uphill battle, and I genuinely enjoy those because it feels like he's not just living a wet dream of punching villains to feel better about crime alley. They are just too few, I guess.
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hockeybub89
09/07/17 4:33:24 PM
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darkphoenix181
09/07/17 4:35:23 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
Democrats are eco terrorists?


didn't say that

but do they not care about the earth and the trees?

1. she is female
2. she is a scientist
3. batman aka patriarchy is trying to keep her down
4. she fights against large corps especially ones who pollute and contribute to global warming
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DragonPick
09/07/17 4:36:31 PM
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Your comparisons work perfectly if you take out all the parts that don't work at all >_>
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Callixtus
09/07/17 4:37:00 PM
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Batman also loves killing precious animals

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Yes, in that last one he is breaking the gator's jaw King Kong-style.
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darkphoenix181
09/07/17 4:38:34 PM
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Callixtus posted...
Batman also loves killing precious animals


yea

pretty sure that would make vegans against him

but then Ivy might not like vegans

but I guess she don't have to like them to have them like her
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darkphoenix181
09/07/17 4:42:36 PM
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DragonPick posted...
Your comparisons work perfectly if you take out all the parts that don't work at all >_>


can you point out such parts?

I can also say that there are no parts that don't work

wow that was easy

as easy as saying "there are parts that don't work"
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DragonPick
09/07/17 4:44:35 PM
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The eco terrorists thing for one. Why didn't you ever reply to my reply about Bats being an asshole, by the way. I wanted to have an argument about why Bats is an ass, thats why I posted in the topic in the first place lol
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darkphoenix181
09/07/17 4:45:35 PM
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DragonPick posted...
The eco terrorists thing for one. Why didn't you ever reply to my reply about Bats being an asshole, by the way. I wanted to have an argument about why Bats is an ass, thats why I posted in the topic in the first place lol


I did. I am the one who said that you think not killing people makes you an ********

btw this topic is satire, don't take it too seriously
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Kim Kusanagi
09/07/17 4:46:23 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
I've never seen the appeal of Harly Quinn.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xclKQL-SGMQ

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creativerealms
09/07/17 4:46:32 PM
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No.
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DragonPick
09/07/17 4:51:34 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
I did. I am the one who said that you think not killing people makes you an ********

btw this topic is satire, don't take it too seriously


Oh lol, of course not, you're good. I just like taking the piss out of Batman and Gotham in general.
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darkphoenix181
09/07/17 4:52:34 PM
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DragonPick posted...
Oh lol, of course not, you're good. I just like taking the piss out of Batman and Gotham in general.


Batman can totally beat Superman

u mad?
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DragonPick
09/07/17 4:54:31 PM
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But can he beat Goku?
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darkphoenix181
09/07/17 4:56:44 PM
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DragonPick posted...
But can he beat Goku?


duh

superman > goku

for one thing, bullets hurt Goku
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A_Good_Boy
09/07/17 5:06:10 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYMBwqtMht0


Even Batman can't justify his own ideology.
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darkphoenix181
09/07/17 5:07:20 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Even Batman can't justify his own ideology.


goes to show he is a realistic rather than a zealot

he accepts that he could be wrong but given the current context must move forward cautiously with the intent of doing right

not a Sith dealing in absolutes!
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thanosibe
09/07/17 5:11:58 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
darkphoenix181 posted...
Zanzenburger posted...
lol

On a slightly related note, the new Superhero Girls movies and TV show made Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy into good guys. Were they not able to find enough female heroes that they had to dig into the villain pool?


that is because like a year or two ago in the comics they made Ivy and Harley into anti-heroes on suicide squad

not sure how Ivy lost her thirst to feed people to plants but..

I've never seen the appeal of Harly Quinn. Is it the whole clown bit that everyone loves. Because to be honest clowns are creepy and not hot at all.
It's because they slowly changed her from a mentally unstable psychiatrist with an obsession for the Joker into a whore. The latter is easier to sell to the masses.
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JE19426
09/07/17 5:27:46 PM
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Antifar posted...
I mean, the idea that the best way for a billionaire to help fight crime is as a vigilante dressed as a bat is pretty ludicrous if given more than five seconds' thought.


Which is why only the shitty or lazy writers treat it that way. Decent writer make being Batman only a small part of Bruce Wayne's plan to help Gotham. Unfortunately comic books near worship of the status quo means it isn't very common for his other efforts to work.
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Kim Kusanagi
09/07/17 5:31:17 PM
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thanosibe posted...
It's because they slowly changed her from a mentally unstable psychiatrist with an obsession for the Joker into a


Shut your filthy mouth
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thanosibe
09/07/17 5:35:25 PM
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JE19426 posted...
Antifar posted...
I mean, the idea that the best way for a billionaire to help fight crime is as a vigilante dressed as a bat is pretty ludicrous if given more than five seconds' thought.


Which is why only the shitty or lazy writers treat it that way. Decent writer make being Batman only a small part of Bruce Wayne's plan to help Gotham. Unfortunately comic books near worship of the status quo means it isn't very common for his other efforts to work.
I actually though The Batman show did well with presenting both Batman and Bruce's efforts even though I still prefer TAS.

As for the comics, I will agree. Though I haven't read a Batman comic since Damien.


Kim Kusanagi posted...
thanosibe posted...
It's because they slowly changed her from a mentally unstable psychiatrist with an obsession for the Joker into a


Shut your filthy mouth
I know the truth hurts. Especially because she was a character with some actual depth that would garner interest to reader/viewers. Now not at all the case.
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Kim Kusanagi
09/07/17 5:48:51 PM
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thanosibe posted...
Now not at all the case.


SHUT UP
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Zikten
09/07/17 6:03:22 PM
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darkphoenix181 posted...
that is because like a year or two ago in the comics they made Ivy and Harley into anti-heroes on suicide squad

Ivy also had a brief time working with the Birds of Prey, in 2011, when they did the New 52 reboot. it only lasted a few issues though and then she left the team
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