Current Events > Do you think watching football is immoral?

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It's that time of year again. The official start of the football season begins this week, and people are sounding the usual alarms about the dangers of football. (See:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/opinion/tom-brady-brain-cte.html)

Given all we now know about the risks of serious brain injuries arising from the sport so you think that it is immoral to watch and support the football industry?
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No one is forcing them to play. Its a risk they accept for the trade off of a dream job that will make them rich.
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Nope, just boring as fuck.
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Yes because Kaepernick doesnt have a job

Zodd3224 posted...

No one is forcing them to play. Its a risk they accept for the trade off of a dream job that will make them rich.

How much risk should we allow people to take for profit? What if people were dying instead of suffering brain injuries?
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Yes

The danger of receiving traumatic brain injuries from watching football is too great to ignore.
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Callixtus posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

No one is forcing them to play. Its a risk they accept for the trade off of a dream job that will make them rich.

How much risk should we allow people to take for profit? What if people were dying instead of suffering brain injuries?

We should allow them to take as much risk as they want, its their lives.
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Zodd3224 posted...

Callixtus posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

No one is forcing them to play. Its a risk they accept for the trade off of a dream job that will make them rich.

How much risk should we allow people to take for profit? What if people were dying instead of suffering brain injuries?

We should allow them to take as much risk as they want, its their lives.

This, lmao. Is it my job to tell other people what they can or cant do?

Yes, supporting and enabling someone to harm/kill themselves or other people for my distraction and amusement is an immoral act.

Legally speaking, if they're doing it that's on them but it's not something one ought to endorse. If you're looking for competitive team play there's lots of team sports with less significant injuries and if you're looking for the ability to throw cash at someone and make 'em dance there's all sorts of strip clubs, movies, theatres, and concerts to attend that don't involve the aspect of harm.
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philsov posted...

Yes, supporting and enabling someone to harm/kill themselves or other people for my distraction and amusement is an immoral act.

Yes, we have really made Tom Brady's life a living hell.
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It's no different than watching gladiator games if you were in Ancient Rome
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Yes. I can not in good conscience support a sport where people commonly fake injuries to get penalties against the other team.
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thrashmetal14 posted...

Yes because Kaepernick doesnt have a job

You can thank his girlfriend for that.
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fenderbender321 posted...

Wrong. It's their body. It's their risk. It's their choice. They want to accept that risk in return for everything that comes with it.

You sufficiently answered the wrong question. I'm not saying it's immoral to play for the NFL.
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The players chose their careers, so no.
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Callixtus posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

No one is forcing them to play. Its a risk they accept for the trade off of a dream job that will make them rich.

How much risk should we allow people to take for profit? What if people were dying instead of suffering brain injuries?

As much as they want. It's a contract between two adults.
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Zodd3224 posted...

No one is forcing them to play. Its a risk they accept for the trade off of a dream job that will make them rich.

I don't think they all know the risks. but especially kids. remember, it's not just the nfl. people support highschool football where kids who know nothing risk breaking their necks. the parents, and teachers and coaches never tell the kids about the risks

No, cause I'm not a virtue signaling baby
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Zikten posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

No one is forcing them to play. Its a risk they accept for the trade off of a dream job that will make them rich.

I don't think they all know the risks. but especially kids. remember, it's not just the nfl. people support highschool football where kids who know nothing risk breaking their necks. the parents, and teachers and coaches never tell the kids about the risks

Are you really trying to claim that kids are too stupid to understand that running into other people repeatedly at high speed carries a risk of injury?
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SideshowBob311 posted...

Are you really trying to claim that kids are too stupid to understand that running into other people repeatedly at high speed carries a risk of injury?

yes actually, kids are dumb

9SideshowBob311 posted...

Zikten posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

No one is forcing them to play. Its a risk they accept for the trade off of a dream job that will make them rich.

I don't think they all know the risks. but especially kids. remember, it's not just the nfl. people support highschool football where kids who know nothing risk breaking their necks. the parents, and teachers and coaches never tell the kids about the risks

Are you really trying to claim that kids are too stupid to understand that running into other people repeatedly at high speed carries a risk of injury?

I think kids know you can break an arm or leg playing football, but I doubt many of them are aware that, at least at the professional level, a significant number of players walk away with degenerative brain diseases.
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fenderbender321 posted...

The specific effects of head/brain injuries might be and might have been unknown, but everyone for thousands of years has known that getting your head hit over and over was going to cause some bad problems.

People probably think the helmets are actually protective. Football players actually tend to be more risky than other contact sports players like in rugby because they think the gear protects them.
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Does this happen for boxing too?
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fenderbender321 posted...

Callixtus posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

The specific effects of head/brain injuries might be and might have been unknown, but everyone for thousands of years has known that getting your head hit over and over was going to cause some bad problems.

People probably think the helmets are actually protective. Football players actually tend to be more risky than other contact sports players like in rugby because they think the gear protects them.

It does protect their heads more than slamming into things without a helmet. It's a trade-off. But they still know it's still bad overall, just not as bad as without a helmet.

I dont think the average person thinks you can get a concussion from routine tackles unless its a really hard hit, which is probably unlikely the younger the kids are.
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Its like any other vice that could shorten your life, everyone knows the risks.
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No, it's a calculated risk. The data is out there on injury potential and not so difficult to find. As long as their is a gain for them, they will want to do it. I like to lift weights for exercise. I lift heavy enough free weights that there is a risk for injury. I know that risk, but it is fun for me. This is no different for them.

fenderbender321 posted...

DuranOfForcena posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

Callixtus posted...

fenderbender321 posted...

The specific effects of head/brain injuries might be and might have been unknown, but everyone for thousands of years has known that getting your head hit over and over was going to cause some bad problems.

People probably think the helmets are actually protective. Football players actually tend to be more risky than other contact sports players like in rugby because they think the gear protects them.

It does protect their heads more than slamming into things without a helmet. It's a trade-off. But they still know it's still bad overall, just not as bad as without a helmet.

dude you have no idea what you are talking about. people thought for decades that the helmets made football players indestructible. they didn't "know its still bad overall". literally no one and nothing said anything on the subject of permanent brain injuries until the mid 90s. absolutely no one thought twice about it until then.

Oh please. You take a big hit to your head while wearing a helmet and you're gonna feel it. No way anybody could think that sort of pain was absolutely not going to be harmful.

If people thought it might lead to permanent brain damage, don't you think we'd see the same level of outrage as today?
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if you are a browns fan
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No. And speaking as a former football player and a former boxer (aka - long term, I probably do have some CTE concerns)....

Up until recently, we were all in the dark about the dangers of concussions. While the owners and the league deserve to be pilloried over reports that they withheld information about the dangers of the sport from the players and the public, that issue is not on the fans for following a sport that they love.

Nowadays, the information is out there. Everybody knows about the dangers of concussions and other injuries, and players that keep playing do so with the knowledge of that in mind. No issue there following it as a result either.

I liken the NFL to the tobacco industry. Look, if you have a person that smoked so much as a single cigarette prior to the release of information about the carcinogenic nature of smoking was made public (after decades of withholding the information by the industry), they deserve a massive payout. But if you started in the late 60s or later, you did so with the full knowledge that smoking is unhealthy, and that's on you.
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thrashmetal14 posted...

Yes because Kaepernick doesnt have a job

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Fin_Dawg_004 posted...

if you are a browns fan

browns fans are consenting adults that fully understand the risk involved

kids under 18 shouldn't be allowed to watch them though
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Callixtus posted...

9SideshowBob311 posted...

Zikten posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

No one is forcing them to play. Its a risk they accept for the trade off of a dream job that will make them rich.

I don't think they all know the risks. but especially kids. remember, it's not just the nfl. people support highschool football where kids who know nothing risk breaking their necks. the parents, and teachers and coaches never tell the kids about the risks

Are you really trying to claim that kids are too stupid to understand that running into other people repeatedly at high speed carries a risk of injury?

I think kids know you can break an arm or leg playing football, but I doubt many of them are aware that, at least at the professional level, a significant number of players walk away with degenerative brain diseases.

Then you are unaware of the amount of education that most school and youth programs provide or are required to provide to their players these days concerning concussions, neck injuries, etc. ImPACT testing has almost become standard at the high school level for not only football, but all sports.
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philsov posted...

Yes, supporting and enabling someone to harm/kill themselves or other people for my distraction and amusement is an immoral act.

Legally speaking, if they're doing it that's on them but it's not something one ought to endorse. If you're looking for competitive team play there's lots of team sports with less significant injuries and if you're looking for the ability to throw cash at someone and make 'em dance there's all sorts of strip clubs, movies, theatres, and concerts to attend that don't involve the aspect of harm.

So you don't endorse any contact sports? Keep in mind that football is not designed with the intention of causing TBI, so it's not like we are rooting for people to get hurt.
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beacraft posted...

Callixtus posted...

9SideshowBob311 posted...

Zikten posted...

Zodd3224 posted...

No one is forcing them to play. Its a risk they accept for the trade off of a dream job that will make them rich.

I don't think they all know the risks. but especially kids. remember, it's not just the nfl. people support highschool football where kids who know nothing risk breaking their necks. the parents, and teachers and coaches never tell the kids about the risks

Are you really trying to claim that kids are too stupid to understand that running into other people repeatedly at high speed carries a risk of injury?

I think kids know you can break an arm or leg playing football, but I doubt many of them are aware that, at least at the professional level, a significant number of players walk away with degenerative brain diseases.

Then you are unaware of the amount of education that most school and youth programs provide or are required to provide to their players these days concerning concussions, neck injuries, etc. ImPACT testing has almost become standard at the high school level for not only football, but all sports.

That's good.
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maybe a little, but much less immoral than parents who let their kids play... or even worse, encourage them to
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fenderbender321 posted...

The specific effects of head/brain injuries might be and might have been unknown, but everyone for thousands of years has known that getting your head hit over and over was going to cause some bad problems.

this is such a disingenuous argument, the thing that makes football bad is largely the modern equipment we use that enables people to crash into each other at a much higher velocity and for more sustained periods than otherwise

thus rugby is less dangerous than football
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