Current Events > The EU is forcing Sweden to end its border controls on November 12th.

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BalanceLost
09/06/17 9:49:13 AM
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The Swedish PM introduced them in November 2015 and they made immigration numbers drop like a rock. Now the EU is demanding their removal by November 12th since they violate the EU law of free movement within the EU.

Support for the controls here in Sweden is high so this could lead to a decrease in positive attitude toward the EU.
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DarkChozoGhost
09/06/17 9:50:52 AM
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I read about that 106 year old woman that was carried from Afghanistan being denied entry.
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PoopPotato
09/06/17 9:51:12 AM
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EU is gonna collapse in 15 years
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pikachupwnage
09/06/17 9:51:16 AM
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Nomadic View
09/06/17 9:52:34 AM
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Swexit
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scar the 1
09/06/17 9:52:54 AM
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It'll be interesting to see this play out. I don't know much about the appeal process, but I would think that Sweden could try and make their case in an EU court that since a lot of other EU countries didn't honor their refugee agreements, borders had to be closed.
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Newhopes
09/06/17 9:53:06 AM
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PoopPotato posted...
EU is gonna collapse in 15 years


Probably well before that.

Mass immigration is one of the tools the elite use to destroy countries.
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Awesome
09/06/17 9:54:09 AM
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how about they say no and leave the EU? make a statement that they wont let their citizens get killed.
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Mist_Turnips
09/06/17 9:56:02 AM
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RIP Sweden
Gone the way of Germany.
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Ilishe
09/06/17 9:57:31 AM
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Awesome posted...
how about they say no and leave the EU? make a statement that they wont let their citizens get killed.


That's not as simple as you think.
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snesmaster40
09/06/17 10:00:15 AM
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This is why Brexit happened.
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voldothegr8
09/06/17 10:03:15 AM
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PoopPotato posted...
EU is gonna collapse in 15 years

Generous estimate
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gunplagirl
09/06/17 10:07:47 AM
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PoopPotato posted...
EU is gonna collapse in 15 years

People have said this since it formed
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D-Lo_BrownTown
09/06/17 10:09:51 AM
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NinjaBreakfast
09/06/17 10:12:08 AM
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Usual suspects itt
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s0nicfan
09/06/17 10:14:23 AM
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The entire eastern bloc has border controls in place and none of them are planning on changing it. If the EU wants to make this the hill they die on, that's fine by me, but you're more likely to see a breakway union forming than you are all these nations suddenly falling in line.
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JE19426
09/06/17 10:19:49 AM
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snesmaster40 posted...
This is why Brexit happened.


How so?
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Sativa_Rose
09/06/17 10:20:49 AM
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It's funny how Angela Merkel gets to pick and choose when EU law gets followed. Like how she was just able to declare that EU law was no longer going to be followed when it came to the "refugees" and the law about them having to apply for asylum in the first EU country they reach.
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weapon_d00d816
09/06/17 10:21:42 AM
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Nomadic View posted...
Swexit

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s0nicfan
09/06/17 10:21:57 AM
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JE19426 posted...
snesmaster40 posted...
This is why Brexit happened.


How so?


Too much EU control being asserted over a nation's dominion. A full 30% of the UK's laws are EU laws. They can't fish off their own coast because the EU designated it as a fishing zone for other countries. Brexit was the result of the EU attempting to assert full control over the UK's sovereignty by going even further and telling them who they can and can't let into the country. All these things combined make people in the UK feel like their nation was being taken away from them, and that led to the rebellion that was Brexit.
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scar the 1
09/06/17 10:22:39 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
Brexit was the result of the EU attempting to assert full control over the UK's sovereignty by going even further and telling them who they can and can't let into the country

lol
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s0nicfan
09/06/17 10:23:28 AM
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scar the 1 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Brexit was the result of the EU attempting to assert full control over the UK's sovereignty by going even further and telling them who they can and can't let into the country

lol


That probably is a silly sentence when divorced from the context of everything else I said.
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Annihilated
09/06/17 10:24:27 AM
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PoopPotato posted...
EU is gonna collapse in 15 years


I'll give it 8.
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NinjaBreakfast
09/06/17 10:24:28 AM
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I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.
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The Great Muta 22
09/06/17 10:26:26 AM
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NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.


Hey, you're on CE man, where everyone is an expert about everything everywhere in the world and to where admit you may not be informed as others is a sign of weakness.
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s0nicfan
09/06/17 10:27:45 AM
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NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.

nGZeEqw
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NibeIungsnarf
09/06/17 10:28:00 AM
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BalanceLost posted...
Support for the controls here in Sweden is high so this could lead to a decrease in positive attitude toward the EU.

Good.
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voldothegr8
09/06/17 10:28:13 AM
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NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.

Just like how non Americans think they're experts about our government and shit on Trump like he's their leader.
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JE19426
09/06/17 10:28:18 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
They can't fish off their own coast because the EU designated it as a fishing zone for other countries.


That totally false. All EU countries have access to each others fishing grounds. They all have a limited specific amount they can fish but they are no limits on where they fish.

Brexit was the result of the EU attempting to assert full control over the UK's sovereignty by going even further and telling them who they can and can't let into the country.


How so?
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NinjaBreakfast
09/06/17 10:29:49 AM
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Yeah being able to discern that trump is a shithead is def the same as offering expert opinion on supposed no go areas in europe and the mindset of individual european people
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s0nicfan
09/06/17 10:30:43 AM
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JE19426 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
They can't fish off their own coast because the EU designated it as a fishing zone for other countries.


That totally false. All EU countries have access to each others fishing grounds. They all have a limited specific amount they can fish but they are no limits on where they fish.

Brexit was the result of the EU attempting to assert full control over the UK's sovereignty by going even further and telling them who they can and can't let into the country.


How so?


To the first point, being told they can't fish in their own waters isn't entirely different from being told they can't catch as much fish as they want because other countries get a share too. My point was more their territorial waters had been divvied up, but I was incorrect on to what extent.

To the second point, while the refugee crisis wasn't the sole cause of brexit, it was part of it. There was a desire to limit the number of refugees coming into the country and the EU basically told them no in the same way that Sweden, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, etc are all being told the same thing.
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Mist_Turnips
09/06/17 10:36:07 AM
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NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.

Yet anyone who is for this is automatically an expert on the subject, eh dork?
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FaytlessHearts
09/06/17 10:37:25 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.

Just like how non Americans think they're experts about our government and shit on Trump like he's their leader.

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JE19426
09/06/17 10:37:32 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
To the second point, while the refugee crisis wasn't the sole cause of brexit, it was part of it. There was a desire to limit the number of refugees coming into the country and the EU basically told them no in the same way that Sweden, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, etc are all being told the same thing.


Except for the fact that it's untrue. The UK isn't a member of the Schengen Area and is largly free to limit immigration from non-EU countries. Other EU countries are unhappy about that but unable to do much to stop it.
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NinjaBreakfast
09/06/17 10:43:40 AM
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Mist_Turnips posted...
NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.

Yet anyone who is for this is automatically an expert on the subject, eh dork?

God you people are bad at this
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scar the 1
09/06/17 10:44:14 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
scar the 1 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Brexit was the result of the EU attempting to assert full control over the UK's sovereignty by going even further and telling them who they can and can't let into the country

lol


That probably is a silly sentence when divorced from the context of everything else I said.

No, it's a silly sentence even within that context :)
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Nazanir
09/06/17 10:55:05 AM
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voldothegr8 posted...
PoopPotato posted...
EU is gonna collapse in 15 years

Generous estimate

As an EU resident, I agree.
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mattnd2007
09/06/17 10:58:10 AM
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US has its problems. But thank god we aren't beholden to the EU. Fuck the EU
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scar the 1
09/06/17 11:06:29 AM
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mattnd2007 posted...
US has its problems. But thank god we aren't beholden to the EU. Fuck the EU

I'd rather have the EU's problems tbh.
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RebelElite791
09/06/17 11:16:13 AM
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Newhopes posted...
PoopPotato posted...
EU is gonna collapse in 15 years


Probably well before that.

Mass immigration is one of the tools the elite use to destroy countries.

You forgot your echoes
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Parappa09
09/06/17 11:24:35 AM
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The Great Muta 22 posted...
NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.


Hey, you're on CE man, where everyone is an expert about everything everywhere in the world and to where admit you may not be informed as others is a sign of weakness.

this is so fucking true
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D-Lo_BrownTown
09/06/17 11:41:16 AM
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NinjaBreakfast posted...
I love all these Americans on CE who have hardly left their home state yet are somehow experts on the inner workings of numerous European countries.


I base most of my statements regarding the EU and Sweden specifically on the conversations I've had with my Swedish friends, and I've always been open about that.
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ROBANN_88
09/06/17 1:46:26 PM
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is it possible for us to just tell the EU to fuck off?

though, i suspect the politicians wouldn't do that even if he could.
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FLUFFYGERM
09/06/17 1:48:49 PM
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it's a shame that the EU has become just a fascist authoritarian regime rather than a united front representing the civilized western world
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s0nicfan
09/06/17 1:50:02 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
it's a shame that the EU has become just a fascist authoritarian regime rather than a united front representing the civilized western world


It was only ever meant to be a trade union. I'm still not 100% sure how it went from that to asserting control over the continent.
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JE19426
09/06/17 1:53:16 PM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
is it possible for us to just tell the EU to fuck off?


Sweden can choose to leave the EU.
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RebelElite791
09/06/17 3:12:08 PM
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FLUFFYGERM posted...
it's a shame that the EU has become just a fascist authoritarian regime rather than a united front representing the civilized western world

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
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ROBANN_88
09/06/17 3:47:59 PM
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JE19426 posted...
ROBANN_88 posted...
is it possible for us to just tell the EU to fuck off?


Sweden can choose to leave the EU.


if this was a few years ago i might have said that we probably should, but after the absolute shitshow that is Brexit, it's clear that that would cause even more problems.
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s0nicfan
09/06/17 3:49:55 PM
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ROBANN_88 posted...
JE19426 posted...
ROBANN_88 posted...
is it possible for us to just tell the EU to fuck off?


Sweden can choose to leave the EU.


if this was a few years ago i might have said that we probably should, but after the absolute shitshow that is Brexit, it's clear that that would cause even more problems.


What's depressing is that the EU's goal of scaring away anyone else thinking of leaving by throwing the UK under the bus seems to be working.
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JE19426
09/06/17 4:01:16 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
What's depressing is that the EU's goal of scaring away anyone else thinking of leaving by throwing the UK under the bus seems to be working.


The EU doesn't need throw the UK under the bus. The UK is jumping under it, all on their free will.
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