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YellowSUV
09/16/17 7:18:34 PM
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saspa posted...
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Pogo_Marimo posted...
To Kill A Mockingbird because Atticus Finch holds racists beliefs.

Wait what when?

Read the sequel

That's like saying read the sequel to Moby Dick or Gone with the wind or Grapes of Wrath. It's just not done.

I'm sure you're trolling but
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_Set_a_Watchman

Wow you were serious. Just recently published in 2015? That's damn recent.


Its questionable how much of a sequel it is. Many say its a draft of To Kill a Mockingbird that was published to make money for the person in charge of Harper Lee's finances.
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saspa
09/17/17 12:37:17 AM
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hollow_shrine posted...
BB mofo posted...
Asuka hates Shinji because she feels she is inferior to him as a pilot. She resorts to seduction and her sexuality so that she feels she has some power over him. However, she ends up feeling even more angry and defeated because to her it looks like Shinji is immune to her charms. In her eyes, Shinji is defeating her all over again.

I want to add to this, that Asuka is unable to self actualize, and has struggled with this ever since her mother went though the EVA prototype experiments and came out of it as an aloof husk of a human being. She either couldn't or refused to recognize her own daughter. Asuka tries desperately to get her mother to acknowledge her, even submitting herself to the EVA program and earning the right to pilot the EVA her mother gave her heart and literal soul to, only discover her mother has hanged herself and she will never experience her acknowledgement again.

From that point on Asuka lives for the praise of others. If not for her pilot skills then for her brains. If not for her brains then for her body. The dysfunction of NERV only aggravates her issues because none of them are equipped to step into the role of parental surrogate either. Not aloof/alcoholic Misato. Not even Kaji, who's been her guardian for years is present in her life consistently enough to fill the role of a parent. Worse still, because he's such a mystery, Asuka has ascribed conflicting sets of expectations about him, both as a surrogate father, and as an object of sexual attraction. Single-minded, Kaji doesn't acknowledge either of those things and never does. So Asuka looks to Shinji and Rei for actualization, but they're just as damaged as she is, and Rei is barely even a whole person because of the human isolation of growing up with Gendo. When she attempts to live without the praise of others the circumstances of Kaoru on the base and her falling sync rate undermines her self-worth eventually leading to the psychic assault that essentially 'kills' her for the rest of the series.

Very good analysis and to all the ones who explored eva in this topic I enjoyed reading them. Also it's been a while but I'm confused over what exactly happened with Asuka's mother and what the deal is with that. If I'm remembering incorrectly it's that her father left her mother and the mother took it really hard so that's why she's left a shell of a human? I don't know how much Rebuild changes or retcons their backstory, and which source material you're going with since the original show left a lot of things ambiguous and/or unexplained.
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saspa
09/19/17 12:15:44 AM
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Laserion posted...

" thus".

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saspa
09/21/17 3:13:36 AM
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Pogo_Marimo posted...
Shinji is probably one of the more realistic characters in anime. Look at most of the dweebs on this website--Do you really think most of them would do stuff differently? Do you think most 15 year olds would suddenly grow a set of iron balls, drop their crippling fears and insecurities about women and themselves, and become a super badass? What world are you living in? My facebook feed is filled every day with 20-something year olds who can barely cope with paying taxes and balancing a checkbook.

Also, being put in a bio-mechnical robot that literally syncs with your brainwaves then being forced to fight other giant terrifying monsters to the death (Either of you, plus humanity) really isn't my idea of a good time. How did we go from the shellshock and dehumanization in the original Gundam and Shinji being an emotional wreck of a human to glorifying giant robots and murder? Then turn around and criticize these legitimate human portrayals as shitty? It's a shame that people only want rad-as-fuck "Protag with a dark past" in these shows when characters like Shinji are a more interesting and gut-wrenching

I think because most of said dweebs watch action-oriented shows as a form of wish fulfillment, watching a show like eva and a character like Shinji who hits a little too close to home makes them hate it.
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BB mofo
09/21/17 8:42:15 PM
#101:


saspa posted...
I think because most of said dweebs watch action-oriented shows as a form of wish fulfillment, watching a show like eva and a character like Shinji who hits a little too close to home makes them hate it.


My problem with Evangelion is that the series is ultimately about how much the writer hates himself and his audience. There's no real introspection, it's a stage tragedy where the main characters are all meant to be unsympathetic and the tragic elements are so over the top that it becomes melodrama. The writer tries his best to give his main character no redeemable qualities and goes out of his way to belittle the few positive traits or successes he does have. It's not enough that the MC thinks he is trash, the plot has to go prove he is trash.

It's not a story about a person dealing with Borderline Personality Disorder, it's about a self-aware person with BPD writing his self-insert character to beat up on. That includes the distorted way he sees himself and the world. Then he invites his audience to come watch because he thinks they are all sadists who exist to punish him for his short comings.

If you know a psychologist or therapist, ask them what it's like to treat a patient suffering from BPD. Watching EVA is like treating a BPD patient. I have the same reaction to Neil LaBute's "The Shape of Things."

TL;DR: Hideaki Anno is the Neil LaBute of anime.

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CreekCo
09/23/17 9:54:00 AM
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Rebuild 1.11 and 2.22 interestingly weren't like this. However, 3.33 sinks right back into what you're saying. Upon repeated viewings... 3.33 is the one the director cared the most about. The whole opening sequence can be seen as a "why won't you leave me alone" statement. I really hope we get to actually see 4.44 and how he chooses to end the series and if Anno does defeat his demons.
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CreekCo
09/24/17 8:20:35 PM
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Watched some of 2.22 again... Shinji is actually full on awesome. The part where he runs straight up a wall to save the day is still one if my favorite anime scenes. If you ignore 3.33, Rebuild Shinji is a top tier Super Robot pilot not just for results but just being cool. I hope 4.44 doesn't suck.
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Returning_CEmen
09/24/17 8:27:28 PM
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I want this topic in my active posts
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Ricemills
09/24/17 9:30:44 PM
#105:


CreekCo posted...
Watched some of 2.22 again... Shinji is actually full on awesome. The part where he runs straight up a wall to save the day is still one if my favorite anime scenes. If you ignore 3.33, Rebuild Shinji is a top tier Super Robot pilot not just for results but just being cool. I hope 4.44 doesn't suck.


you should not ignore 3.33, especially when you think 2.22 shinji is badass. the events in 3.33 happens because shinji thought he was doing the right thing and had everyone's support (while also looking badass) in 2.22, but everyone suddenly rejects him after he's awake from 13 years of sleep. that's why he's so desperate for proving his worth, which unfortunately makes everything worse.
sure, in the final moments kaworu has warned him to not to pull the spear, but a few moments before that he was cheering shinji to do whatever he wanted to do.
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CreekCo
09/24/17 9:45:56 PM
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I saw 3.33. I like to pretend it doesn't exist except if I have to acknowledge it for a discussion just like I'd like to think Anno is seeing a good shrink.
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WellKnownNomad
09/24/17 9:47:45 PM
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4GrINpo
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saspa
09/27/17 6:53:30 AM
#108:


BB mofo posted...
saspa posted...
I think because most of said dweebs watch action-oriented shows as a form of wish fulfillment, watching a show like eva and a character like Shinji who hits a little too close to home makes them hate it.


My problem with Evangelion is that the series is ultimately about how much the writer hates himself and his audience. There's no real introspection, it's a stage tragedy where the main characters are all meant to be unsympathetic and the tragic elements are so over the top that it becomes melodrama. The writer tries his best to give his main character no redeemable qualities and goes out of his way to belittle the few positive traits or successes he does have. It's not enough that the MC thinks he is trash, the plot has to go prove he is trash.

It's not a story about a person dealing with Borderline Personality Disorder, it's about a self-aware person with BPD writing his self-insert character to beat up on. That includes the distorted way he sees himself and the world. Then he invites his audience to come watch because he thinks they are all sadists who exist to punish him for his short comings.

If you know a psychologist or therapist, ask them what it's like to treat a patient suffering from BPD. Watching EVA is like treating a BPD patient. I have the same reaction to Neil LaBute's "The Shape of Things."

TL;DR: Hideaki Anno is the Neil LaBute of anime.

That is also a pretty good analysis, it's quite clear how depressed and full of self loathing the eva creator was.
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saspa
09/29/17 3:11:03 AM
#109:


CreekCo posted...
Watched some of 2.22 again... Shinji is actually full on awesome. The part where he runs straight up a wall to save the day is still one if my favorite anime scenes. If you ignore 3.33, Rebuild Shinji is a top tier Super Robot pilot not just for results but just being cool. I hope 4.44 doesn't suck.

But as stated you're missing the point of the franchise if you're watching it for a character that's a badass who defeats all the bad guys and gets the girl(s) at the end. The franchise has never been that nor will ever be. There will never be that particular catharsis.
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CreekCo
09/29/17 5:32:00 AM
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I don't have to accept that. Maybe Anno will grow up and accept that others appreciate him.
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DocileOrangeCup
09/29/17 5:32:23 AM
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saspa
09/29/17 5:38:03 AM
#112:


CreekCo posted...
I don't have to accept that. Maybe Anno will grow up and accept that others appreciate him.

Well we can't comment on what the author himself is going through. But there is a saying, acceptance is not a prerequisite of truth, the fact of the matter is that is the state of the show. It won't ever be something it's not, regardless of anything else.
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CreekCo
09/29/17 5:35:48 PM
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It's not written in stone. After all, Rewrite in itself is something of a good alternate ending to EVA imo. I wouldn't be surprised if this even turned out to occur during EoE.
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Kineth
09/29/17 5:40:16 PM
#114:


gunplagirl posted...
OpheliaAdenade posted...
gunplagirl posted...
The sad thing is, I wish somebody did to me what he did to her

Except

You know

With my consent


Have a guy awkwardly fondle your boobs as you lie like a dead fish in a hospital bed?


Choke me and then relieve their urges on me


Holla atcha boy. I have no shame.
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saspa
10/01/17 3:58:20 AM
#115:


CreekCo posted...
It's not written in stone. After all, Rewrite in itself is something of a good alternate ending to EVA imo. I wouldn't be surprised if this even turned out to occur during EoE.

Rewrite?
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saspa
10/03/17 5:48:12 AM
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BB mofo
10/03/17 6:32:53 PM
#117:


CreekCo posted...
I don't have to accept that. Maybe Anno will grow up and accept that others appreciate him.


I don't believe it's a matter of immaturity. Anno needs psychiatric help, he can't really do it alone.
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ChromaticAngel
10/03/17 6:59:00 PM
#118:


legendarylemur posted...
It's not a deconstruction when it's not even that good as a mech genre

Mechs are a diversion. The anime is basically about the pilots.
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CreekCo
10/03/17 8:11:52 PM
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Yeah... the mechs really aren't the point. I think it's a fascinating series and I wonder how it's going to end.
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saspa
10/06/17 5:37:36 AM
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BB mofo posted...
CreekCo posted...
I don't have to accept that. Maybe Anno will grow up and accept that others appreciate him.


I don't believe it's a matter of immaturity. Anno needs psychiatric help, he can't really do it alone.

I wonder if there's a stigma regarding mental health in japan like most asian areas.
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saspa
10/08/17 6:57:02 AM
#121:


CreekCo posted...
Yeah... the mechs really aren't the point. I think it's a fascinating series and I wonder how it's going to end.

You talking about the original or rebirth?
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CreekCo
10/08/17 8:44:24 AM
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Rebirth
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saspa
10/08/17 8:54:43 AM
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If you're aware the mechs aren't really the point then you would also appreciate what kind of show it is as well right, as being more of a deconstruction than a simple power fantasy and that the frustration the audience feels at the characters' actions or Shinji's indecision is deliberate right?
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RE_expert44
10/08/17 9:15:31 AM
#124:


For freak tho, askua was a THOT
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saspa
10/10/17 5:58:16 AM
#125:


RE_expert44 posted...
For freak tho, askua was a THOT

A what?
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Jet_Enduro101
10/10/17 6:01:43 AM
#126:


I have nothing good to say about Eva, or the people who like it. I'll just leave it at that.
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x_SaintBoot_x
10/10/17 6:33:52 AM
#127:


NGE was one of those shows in anime that I wish I could UN watch.
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saspa
10/12/17 5:43:42 AM
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I've never understood that "unwatch" something mentality. There's always something to be gained from something, even if it's a lesson to not watch something. But unwatching doesn't make sense.
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Kineth
10/12/17 6:19:08 AM
#129:


Jet_Enduro101 posted...
I have nothing good to say about Eva, or the people who like it. I'll just leave it at that.


Not quite this negative, but pretty close to the same sentiment I have.
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RE_expert44
10/13/17 7:08:42 AM
#130:


saspa posted...
RE_expert44 posted...
For freak tho, askua was a THOT

A what?

She wasaho
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saspa
10/15/17 5:25:48 AM
#131:


Kineth posted...
Jet_Enduro101 posted...
I have nothing good to say about Eva, or the people who like it. I'll just leave it at that.


Not quite this negative, but pretty close to the same sentiment I have.

I mean, hate the show is one thing but hating the audience just seems petty.
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ModLogic
10/15/17 5:35:21 AM
#132:


saspa posted...
And this was before Japan became known for what they're known for.

lmfao one of those weebs
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saspa
10/17/17 4:12:34 AM
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RE_expert44 posted...
saspa posted...
RE_expert44 posted...
For freak tho, askua was a THOT

A what?

She wasaho

No seriously.
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Kaname_Madoka
10/17/17 4:13:27 AM
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That ho over there
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DocileOrangeCup
10/17/17 4:15:48 AM
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saspa
10/19/17 6:23:10 AM
#136:


ModLogic posted...
saspa posted...
And this was before Japan became known for what they're known for.

lmfao one of those weebs

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Kineth
10/19/17 6:37:40 AM
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saspa posted...
Kineth posted...
Jet_Enduro101 posted...
I have nothing good to say about Eva, or the people who like it. I'll just leave it at that.


Not quite this negative, but pretty close to the same sentiment I have.

I mean, hate the show is one thing but hating the audience just seems petty.


So just to clarify, I don't really have anything negative to say about the audience either, I just wouldn't have anything positive to say about a person because of, or in relation to their fandom with Evangelion. It's not a matter of hate at all.
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Cloud_Strife_1
10/19/17 8:44:47 AM
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The worst part is those rooms have cameras and nerv probably watched the whole thing
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saspa
10/21/17 6:35:13 AM
#139:


Kineth posted...
saspa posted...
Kineth posted...
Jet_Enduro101 posted...
I have nothing good to say about Eva, or the people who like it. I'll just leave it at that.


Not quite this negative, but pretty close to the same sentiment I have.

I mean, hate the show is one thing but hating the audience just seems petty.


So just to clarify, I don't really have anything negative to say about the audience either, I just wouldn't have anything positive to say about a person because of, or in relation to their fandom with Evangelion. It's not a matter of hate at all.

That's fair, but liking something doesn't necessarily translate it to the extreme of fandom. Also I still wouldn't judge someone for liking something I find crap.
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