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(+) Yeah! (+)

We know that there's going to be a season 3 of daredevil so your fake out death was pointless from the start.

Also enough with Elektra. She's fucking boring. I really didn't like how she just usurped the entire hand.

ALSO the office fight scene was pretty rad. I wanted more of that. The entire last two episodes were honestly kind of dull. The best parts of the show were the first few episodes when the team was pulling together. I dunno. The threat needed to be a bit more tangible than just 'dragon bone power'.

It was a fun watch but I dunno if it was any greater than any of the shows that composed it.
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And what a lame use of Sagorney Weaver (prob spelled that wrong)
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Bump
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Yeah, the Defenders finished the job that Iron Fist started of making the Hand shit. Think about Madame Goa in Daredevil's first season. Wasn't she cool? This tiny old woman who had a small army of slaves that blinded themselves out of devotion to her, selling heroin marked with the sigil of the Iron Fist and knocking Daredevil back with a single punch. Or in S2 where the Hand unleashed an army of creepy, zombie ninjas and harvested innocent people for blood.

Then in Iron Fist, they're an after school program for at-risk youth. And The Defenders makes them just immortal gang leaders.
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The more I contemplate that show the more it angers me. :\

Danny, as terrible as his show was, the least annoying one in the Defenders too. God damn. How'd they accomplish that?!
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Danny, as terrible as his show was, the least annoying one in the Defenders too. God damn. How'd they accomplish that?!

They made him do almost nothing. And then no, he's still the most annoying one.
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Speak for yourself TC.
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It had some ups and downs. Action scenes were good, the villains were interesting. The forced drama bits were bad and the plot was underwhelming.

Doesn't feel like it advanced anything, or that it set up for anything. If it didn't happen, it doesn't feel like it would've changed anything.
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How is Danny not annoying when 90% of his dialogue is "I'm the immortal Iron Fist, defender of Khun Lhao, sworn enemy of the hand"?
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LordFarquad1312 posted...

How is Danny not annoying when 90% of his dialogue is "I'm the immortal Iron Fist, defender of Khun Lhao, sworn enemy of the hand"?

it's supposed to sound cheesy, that's the point holy fuck yall dense
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I just had a problem with some of the cringy dialogue and the awkwardly shot fight scenes
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The sooner the hand is permanently never seen again, the better
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Veggeta X posted...

LordFarquad1312 posted...

How is Danny not annoying when 90% of his dialogue is "I'm the immortal Iron Fist, defender of Khun Lhao, sworn enemy of the hand"?

it's supposed to sound cheesy, that's the point holy fuck yall dense

That being intentional doesn't make it good or okay.
The second half of Luke Cage going full blown cheesy blaxploitation with Diamondback was intentional but it was also garbage.
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It's bad if you're being hypercritical
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Also enough with Elektra. She's fucking boring. I really didn't like how she just usurped the entire hand.

Agreed on this. Her entire character made little sense to me. What is it that makes her so powerful? Like is she just like, extra ninja, extra strong or some shit? Her character is way less compelling than any of the other hand members. Except for Bakuto, he sucked ass.

In general it was a step down to make the entire universe about Ninjas. Daredevil season 1 was the greatest because the villains were somewhat adult.
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Veggeta X posted...

It's bad if you're being hypercritical

I'm not being hyercritcal, I don't give a fuck about comics or superhero TV/movies which puts me in a pretty good unbiased place to point out that all the hand stuff in DD S2 was garbage, everything after Cottonmouth died in LC was garbage with Diamondback, all of It on Fist was laughably bad, and most of the defenders was cheesy, melodramatic, trash.
DD S1 and JJ were legitimately good shows period not just good super hero shows, so I don't take any joy in saying how shitty the series has gotten. I want them to go back to the smaller, personal, grounded stories they had at the start.

Hopefully The Punisher show is able to avoid all the shit the other shows have done.
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But I liked it so it's all good to me.
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pinky0926 posted...

Also enough with Elektra. She's fucking boring. I really didn't like how she just usurped the entire hand.

Agreed on this. Her entire character made little sense to me. What is it that makes her so powerful? Like is she just like, extra ninja, extra strong or some shit? Her character is way less compelling than any of the other hand members. Except for Bakuto, he sucked ass.

In general it was a step down to make the entire universe about Ninjas. Daredevil season 1 was the greatest because the villains were somewhat adult.

Also I think it was hilarious that the premise of DD S2 was "if they get Elektra we're all fucked!" Then they got her and she didn't really do anything special at all... And then the story changed in The Defenders to "if they get Iron Fist we're all fucked!"
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Gamer99z posted...

pinky0926 posted...

Also enough with Elektra. She's fucking boring. I really didn't like how she just usurped the entire hand.

Agreed on this. Her entire character made little sense to me. What is it that makes her so powerful? Like is she just like, extra ninja, extra strong or some shit? Her character is way less compelling than any of the other hand members. Except for Bakuto, he sucked ass.

In general it was a step down to make the entire universe about Ninjas. Daredevil season 1 was the greatest because the villains were somewhat adult.

Also I think it was hilarious that the premise of DD S2 was "if they get Elektra we're all fucked!" Then they got her and she didn't really do anything special at all... And then the story changed in The Defenders to "if they get Iron Fist we're all fucked!"

They didn't do anything to explain at all what made the Black Sky a problem. Like at all, and the entire suspense was supposed to rest on whatever it is the Black Sky is.

I feel like someone forgot or something. You can't have the threat of the main villain be too confusing to relate to.

With Kingpin it was obvious why he was a problem. Everything about that guy was pure unadulterated terror. I don't even know what Elektra was good at other than being slightly better at ninja-ing than Daredevil.
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I think Elektra had some kind of superpowers. She seems to illustrate at least some super-strength. But the fact that I'm saying "think" and "seems" means that whatever superpowers she did have were shit compared to JJ and Cage.
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pegusus123456 posted...

I think Elektra had some kind of superpowers. She seems to illustrate at least some super-strength. But the fact that I'm saying "think" and "seems" means that whatever superpowers she did have were shit compared to JJ and Cage.

And also that they just didn't even try to explain it. It's really confusing. Is she just super skilful, or does she have the power of destiny, or what?
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JJ and LC's powers seemed inconsistent at times too
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Everyone was inconsistent. Even Daredevil who was shown to be consistently "the best" had no real consistent reason to be "the best".

Everyone told me that all of the other shows problems wouldn't matter because they were saving the best for Defenders. And I mean, it was allright I guess but still pretty mediocre.

Now I'm super worried for The Punisher.
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It's really weird how they never explain Black Sky. Did the showrunners just not want to commit to any definitive powers in case it took too much time and money to show off? And at times it seemed like everyone forgot about the other Black Sky that Stick killed in DD1.
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I honestly feel that they were winging everything when it came to The Hand and Black Sky.

If I really had to guess, I'd say that they didn't originally envision The Hand being the big bad of the Defenders waaaay back when they started all this, probably it was going to be Fisk or something else. But then they realized during pre-production of DD S2 that Fisk *had* to be Daredevils nemesis, and that just introducing a new big bad out of nowhere would piss people off, so they scrambled to connect The Hand to everything without any sort of gameplan.

That's why they seem so inconsistent from Season 1, to Season 2 to Iron Fist.
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There's most definitely truth to that since DD2 wasn't even planned at the time Marvel laid out their production timeline for Defenders. Just judging by the quality and story of the other series, Daredevil was not originally intended to be more than 1/4th of the whole crossover.
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SmidgeIsntBack posted...

It's really weird how they never explain Black Sky.

Yeah. I kept think when they spoke about it "did I foget when they explained this".

SmidgeIsntBack posted...

And at times it seemed like everyone forgot about the other Black Sky that Stick killed in DD1.

And then in The Defenders, they say the Black Sky was always Ripley's thing. Even though the Black Sky in DD1 was that ninja dude who was said to be working for the hunter Hand.

They really just needed to give the Hand a big, grand goal that wasn't just digging up some shitty dragonbones so they could keep living. That's pathetic.
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pegusus123456 posted...

SmidgeIsntBack posted...

And at times it seemed like everyone forgot about the other Black Sky that Stick killed in DD1.

And then in The Defenders, they say the Black Sky was always Ripley's thing. Even though the Black Sky in DD1 was that ninja dude who was said to be working for the hunter Hand.

I feel like Nobu was supposed to be a leader instead of that other guy, and that's another thing that changed with Daredevil getting a second season.
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That would make sense. They probably figured that his presence would overpower the other four (well, except Madame Gao).

Which brings up another questionable plot point. If the substance was limited and the Hand abandoned K'un-Lun solely so they could use it to gain immortality...why did they use it to resurrect underlings who died? I mean, Nobu was a good ninja, but was he SO good that you waste a little bit of dragon bone on him?
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I still hated Danny. He had one job... not to unlock the seal. He does everything he can to unlock the seal.

Elektra, I didn't care about her at all. I know she is in the comics. but her dying and coming back meant nothing to to me. So for her to be the main focus was not compelling. Heck they didn't say what made her special .

Alexandra what the hell. Just some random person being the head of this ninja clan...ok.

Cages power working sometime.

And the fight at the end . Where it was the leaders of the hand vs the heroes. Random shake cam and the strobe effects. I could not even make out what was going on.
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It's already been pointed out

But I don't get what exactly a Black Sky is
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cjsdowg posted...

I still hated Danny. He had one job... not to unlock the seal. He does everything he can to unlock the seal.

God yes, that was so fucking stupid. Literally all he had to do was not use the Iron Fist in that one room.
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Yaridovich posted...

And what a lame use of Sagorney Weaver (prob spelled that wrong)

This so much
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cjsdowg posted...

Elektra, I didn't care about her at all. I know she is in the comics. but her dying and coming back meant nothing to to me. So for her to be the main focus was not compelling. Heck they didn't say what made her special .

She's a destructive and destabilizing influence on Matt's life, but he just can't quit her.

I like her when her character fulfills that role.

She's also a nice mirror of Matt. How he would've ended up if Stick had kept him.
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Yeah I think Elektra is a good character and part of why I think season 2 is underrated. But she's also Black Sky and that is a poor plot point.
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You know, I was googling this and came across one article. It didn't really answer anything because well, Defenders doesn't fucking answer what the Black Sky is. But it did mention that both Stick and Alexandra call Elektra a "vessel." Now I know absolutely fuck all about the Hand in the comic books, but the one thing I do know is that they worship a god called the Beast. I'm now wondering if that was the original plan.

The Hand worships the Beast. The Beast is locked away somewhere, but they don't know where. They build a global criminal empire to fund their search and eventually discover it's beneath NYC. They fuck with Rand Enterprises to buy up the property above its prison. Hell, Rand Enterprises happening to own the land above the Beast's prison could even be called part of Iron Fist's kung-fu destiny. Anyway, the Hand can't simply free the Beast for whatever reason, it needs an avatar to take physical form. For whatever reason, only a tiny, tiny portion of people are capable of being the Beast's avatar; these people are the Black Sky. They find one, a young boy, but Stick kills him and he can't be revived for some reason. They happen to come across Elektra and realize she's another Black Sky.

If I say so myself, this plot I shit out in ten minutes seems better than what we got. Hell, this improves Iron Fist too since a hidden cult that preys on teenagers is a more serious threat than a karate college that's hiding a gang.
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pegusus123456 posted...

If I say so myself, this plot I shit out in ten minutes seems better than what we got. Hell, this improves Iron Fist too since a hidden cult that preys on teenagers is a more serious threat than a karate college that's hiding a gang.

yeah i agree

you should right for them

this actually sounds good
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^I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not <_<
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They should have introduced more leaders of the Hand in the individual series, and Nobu should have been one of them.
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LordFarquad1312 posted...

They should have introduced more leaders of the Hand in the individual series, and Nobu should have been one of them.

I wonder if the actor had a conflict in his schedule or something.
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