Poll of the Day > So can anyone tell me why Trump pardoning that sheriff was a good thing?

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adjl 08/26/17 1:02:16 PM #52:	OhhhJa posted... What's more scummy? Pardoning a sheriff? Or pardoning crack dealers Now there's a leading question. Could just as easily compare pardoning somebody who committed hundreds of human rights violations with pardoning a father of three beautiful children. Compare the crimes if you want to compare criminals; thinly-veiled pathos does nothing to help you. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:885484825] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>What's more scummy? Pardoning a sheriff? Or pardoning crack dealers</quote> Now there's a leading question. Could just as easily compare pardoning somebody who committed hundreds of human rights violations with pardoning a father of three beautiful children. Compare the crimes if you want to compare criminals; thinly-veiled pathos does nothing to help you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 08/26/17 6:46:30 PM #53:	OhhhJa posted... Remember when Obama released a bunch of crack dealers from prison Yep. It changes absolutely nothing about this particular pardon, but I remember. OhhhJa posted... What's more scummy? Pardoning a sheriff? Or pardoning crack dealers I believe you means "What's more scummy? Pardoning some guys who made a few bad decisions or pardoning a murderer who deliberately and maliciously turned jails into torture chambers, resulting in a slew of abuses, injuries, and deaths to people who hadn't even been convicted of a crime?" I mean, it's no less sensationalist an ask. Ignoring how incredibly slanted this question is, why are you even asking this? Again, it doesn't change the situation here. Even if you think the crack dealer is the worse offender, that's like a guy who killed someone while drunk driving asking a judge "Hey, remember that guy that shot six people in a church last month? Who's worse, him or me?". The fact that shittier pardons exist doesn't ameliorate the fact that this is also a shitty pardon that should never have happened. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:885500740] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Remember when Obama released a bunch of crack dealers from prison</quote> Yep. It changes absolutely nothing about this particular pardon, but I remember. <cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>What's more scummy? Pardoning a sheriff? Or pardoning crack dealers</quote> I believe you means "What's more scummy? Pardoning some guys who made a few bad decisions or pardoning a murderer who deliberately and maliciously turned jails into torture chambers, resulting in a slew of abuses, injuries, and deaths to people who hadn't even been convicted of a crime?" I mean, it's no less sensationalist an ask. Ignoring how incredibly slanted this question is, why are you even asking this? Again, it doesn't change the situation here. Even if you think the crack dealer is the worse offender, that's like a guy who killed someone while drunk driving asking a judge "Hey, remember that guy that shot six people in a church last month? Who's worse, him or me?". The fact that shittier pardons exist doesn't ameliorate the fact that this is also a shitty pardon that should never have happened.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
helIy 08/26/17 8:20:23 PM #54:	what if he pardoned snowden would you all still complain then --- depressed again morning comes too fast and i'm tired of the routine <cite>helIy posted [p:885505202] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote>what if he pardoned snowden would you all still complain then</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/26/17 9:13:48 PM #55:	darkknight109 posted... mooreandrew58 posted... I mean look up any presidents pardon list they almost always have ones that leave you scratching your head as to why they'd pardon them. Obama has some questionable ones. Bush had some questionable ones. and i'm sure many many more do, those are just the two i've been old enough to give a fuck about politics for. obama has one for a guy who distributed cocaine. embezzlement (5 counts of it) and much more and I know bush pardon some weed sellers. and thats just a tiny portion of their pardon lists mooreandrew58 posted... damn going over this list. Obama apparently had a soft spot for cocaine dealers Obama pardoned a lot of low-level drug users and those who got caught out by some pretty questionable laws (like the "three strikes" law that several states have implemented that can see you put away for life simply for getting busted three times on simple possession). I don't recall any of Obama's pardons that were as nakedly political as this one, though I freely admit my knowledge of who he pardoned is far from exhaustive. Bush Jr. had a few scuzzy ones (his commutation of Scooter Libby's prison sentence stands out in my mind) and I seem to recall Clinton using his last couple months to issue several politically motivated pardons. mooreandrew58 posted... yeah thats a power I really don't think the president should have. maybe congress as a whole as they'd have to do a vote on it. but no single man or woman should be able to do that The issue isn't who's issuing the pardons, the issue is the reason the pardons are issued. Pardons are supposed to be for exceptional cases and are usually intended for those who have already served out a portion of their sentence and have shown acceptance and remorse for their crimes. Pardons should never be used for nakedly partisan purposes, which is exactly what happened here - unfortunately, whether it's congress, the president, or someone else who has this power, it's effectively impossible to prevent the hijacking of the pardon process for political gain. If anything, I think I'd probably trust the president MORE with the pardoning power (not this president specifically, but the office in general) because presidents are generally less prone to political grandstanding and stunting than congresspeople. Consider how various congressional factions have effectively held the government hostage over their own personal demands during the last few government shutdowns; you really expect them to behave better when criminals are involved? There is a 100% chance that if this power was delegated to congress, "law-and-order" candidates would start including "No pardons for criminals!" sections in their policies, and they'd probably win votes with them too. thats why I say it should be congress, as then its atleast a large group instead of a individual making the decision. won't stop scummy pardons but will atleast lower cases, of friends, or friends of friends being pardoned which I bet is the case with several pardons. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:885507693] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>I mean look up any presidents pardon list they almost always have ones that leave you scratching your head as to why they'd pardon them. Obama has some questionable ones. Bush had some questionable ones. and i'm sure many many more do, those are just the two i've been old enough to give a fuck about politics for. obama has one for a guy who distributed cocaine. embezzlement (5 counts of it) and much more and I know bush pardon some weed sellers. and thats just a tiny portion of their pardon lists</quote> <cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>damn going over this list. Obama apparently had a soft spot for cocaine dealers</quote> Obama pardoned a lot of low-level drug users and those who got caught out by some pretty questionable laws (like the "three strikes" law that several states have implemented that can see you put away for life simply for getting busted three times on simple possession). I don't recall any of Obama's pardons that were as nakedly political as this one, though I freely admit my knowledge of who he pardoned is far from exhaustive. Bush Jr. had a few scuzzy ones (his commutation of Scooter Libby's prison sentence stands out in my mind) and I seem to recall Clinton using his last couple months to issue several politically motivated pardons. <cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>yeah thats a power I really don't think the president should have. maybe congress as a whole as they'd have to do a vote on it. but no single man or woman should be able to do that </quote> The issue isn't who's issuing the pardons, the issue is the reason the pardons are issued. Pardons are supposed to be for exceptional cases and are usually intended for those who have already served out a portion of their sentence and have shown acceptance and remorse for their crimes. Pardons should never be used for nakedly partisan purposes, which is exactly what happened here - unfortunately, whether it's congress, the president, or someone else who has this power, it's effectively impossible to prevent the hijacking of the pardon process for political gain. If anything, I think I'd probably trust the president MORE with the pardoning power (not this president specifically, but the office in general) because presidents are generally less prone to political grandstanding and stunting than congresspeople. Consider how various congressional factions have effectively held the government hostage over their own personal demands during the last few government shutdowns; you really expect them to behave better when criminals are involved? There is a 100% chance that if this power was delegated to congress, "law-and-order" candidates would start including "No pardons for criminals!" sections in their policies, and they'd probably win votes with them too.</quote> thats why I say it should be congress, as then its atleast a large group instead of a individual making the decision. won't stop scummy pardons but will atleast lower cases, of friends, or friends of friends being pardoned which I bet is the case with several pardons.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 08/26/17 10:46:15 PM #56:	darkknight109 posted... I believe you means "What's more scummy? Pardoning some guys who made a few bad decisions Now that's a hilarious understatement. There exists no crack dealer who hasn't done a number of awful things. That lifestyle is more than just, "whoops I sold some crack, silly me" <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:885511740] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>I believe you means "What's more scummy? Pardoning some guys who made a few bad decisions</quote> Now that's a hilarious understatement. There exists no crack dealer who hasn't done a number of awful things. That lifestyle is more than just, "whoops I sold some crack, silly me"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/26/17 10:51:34 PM #57:	in most of the presidential pardons I looked up a lot of them had atleast one case of pardoning someone for tax evasion. you would think anyone in the government (not talking trump here, so lets not go there) would view that as stealing their money. and hell Bush Sr. even pardoned a drug dealer which is odd coming from a guy who worked in the CIA. but i'm sure it was a political favor to someone as i'm sure a lot of these pardons are --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:885511990] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote>in most of the presidential pardons I looked up a lot of them had atleast one case of pardoning someone for tax evasion. you would think anyone in the government (not talking trump here, so lets not go there) would view that as stealing their money. and hell Bush Sr. even pardoned a drug dealer which is odd coming from a guy who worked in the CIA. but i'm sure it was a political favor to someone as i'm sure a lot of these pardons are</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil69Leo 08/26/17 10:59:20 PM #58:	OhhhJa posted... What's more scummy? Pardoning a sheriff? Or pardoning crack dealers A sheriff who committed multiple human rights abuses and laughed about treating American citizens like Hitler treated jews. <cite>Lil69Leo posted [p:885512317] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>What's more scummy? Pardoning a sheriff? Or pardoning crack dealers</quote> A sheriff who committed multiple human rights abuses and laughed about treating American citizens like Hitler treated jews.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/26/17 11:42:02 PM #60:	OhhhJa posted... Now that's a hilarious understatement. Coming from the guy who turned "a murderer who deliberately and maliciously turned jails into torture chambers, resulting in a slew of abuses, injuries, and deaths to people who hadn't even been convicted of a crime" into "a sheriff," I think you might want to turn your gaze inward before you criticize other people for understating an issue. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:885514406] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Now that's a hilarious understatement.</quote> Coming from the guy who turned "a murderer who deliberately and maliciously turned jails into torture chambers, resulting in a slew of abuses, injuries, and deaths to people who hadn't even been convicted of a crime" into "a sheriff," I think you might want to turn your gaze inward before you criticize other people for understating an issue.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/27/17 12:00:06 AM #61:	Arpaio had a long history of refusing to investigate sex crimes across the valley Fuck that old turd everyone here hates him --- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead "I'm Mary Poppins ya'll!" <cite>Mead posted [p:885515223] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote>Arpaio had a long history of refusing to investigate sex crimes across the valley Fuck that old turd everyone here hates him</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lil69Leo 08/27/17 12:50:12 AM #62:	Mead posted... Arpaio had a long history of refusing to investigate sex crimes across the valley Fuck that old turd everyone here hates him And child molestation cases. <cite>Lil69Leo posted [p:885517425] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Arpaio had a long history of refusing to investigate sex crimes across the valley Fuck that old turd everyone here hates him</quote> And child molestation cases.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 08/27/17 1:09:03 AM #63:	Because he is the kind of man that Trump likes. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:885518546] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote>Because he is the kind of man that Trump likes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 08/27/17 2:30:10 AM #64:	OhhhJa posted... Now that's a hilarious understatement. There exists no crack dealer who hasn't done a number of awful things. That lifestyle is more than just, "whoops I sold some crack, silly me" Cool - and if you read beyond that point in the sentence, nevermind the rest of the post, you'd realise you completely missed the point of why I said that. mooreandrew58 posted... thats why I say it should be congress, as then its atleast a large group instead of a individual making the decision Yeah, but look at how that "large group" has handled other politically sensitive topics in the last 10 years. Is that really the people whom you want to trust with a responsibility like this? --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:885521592] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Now that's a hilarious understatement. There exists no crack dealer who hasn't done a number of awful things. That lifestyle is more than just, "whoops I sold some crack, silly me"</quote> Cool - and if you read beyond that point in the sentence, nevermind the rest of the post, you'd realise you completely missed the point of why I said that. <cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>thats why I say it should be congress, as then its atleast a large group instead of a individual making the decision</quote> Yeah, but look at how that "large group" has handled other politically sensitive topics in the last 10 years. Is that really the people whom you want to trust with a responsibility like this?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/27/17 2:35:58 AM #65:	darkknight109 posted... OhhhJa posted... Now that's a hilarious understatement. There exists no crack dealer who hasn't done a number of awful things. That lifestyle is more than just, "whoops I sold some crack, silly me" Cool - and if you read beyond that point in the sentence, nevermind the rest of the post, you'd realise you completely missed the point of why I said that. mooreandrew58 posted... thats why I say it should be congress, as then its atleast a large group instead of a individual making the decision Yeah, but look at how that "large group" has handled other politically sensitive topics in the last 10 years. Is that really the people whom you want to trust with a responsibility like this? not really but better than a single person. some powers are just too great to allow a single person to have. with congress it would at least cut down on political favor pardons. as not everyone voting would owe the same person a favor. also with congress i'd want it to be more than simply say 51% in favor of it. make it 75% or something like that --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:885521796] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Now that's a hilarious understatement. There exists no crack dealer who hasn't done a number of awful things. That lifestyle is more than just, "whoops I sold some crack, silly me"</quote> Cool - and if you read beyond that point in the sentence, nevermind the rest of the post, you'd realise you completely missed the point of why I said that. <cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>thats why I say it should be congress, as then its atleast a large group instead of a individual making the decision</quote> Yeah, but look at how that "large group" has handled other politically sensitive topics in the last 10 years. Is that really the people whom you want to trust with a responsibility like this?</quote> not really but better than a single person. some powers are just too great to allow a single person to have. with congress it would at least cut down on political favor pardons. as not everyone voting would owe the same person a favor. also with congress i'd want it to be more than simply say 51% in favor of it. make it 75% or something like that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 08/27/17 2:46:41 AM #66:	mooreandrew58 posted... not really but better than a single person. some powers are just too great to allow a single person to have. with congress it would at least cut down on political favor pardons. as not everyone voting would owe the same person a favor. also with congress i'd want it to be more than simply say 51% in favor of it. make it 75% or something like that If you set the bar at 75%, I would bet good money that no one would ever be pardoned. Getting 75% of congress to agree on anything is a tall order. Getting them to agree on a politically dangerous action that benefits a single convicted criminal is a non-starter. Presidents have a lot of leverage in pardoning people, particularly in their second terms, because they don't have to seek re-election meaning they don't need to worry about whether or not the public approves of their choice. On the other hand, an overwhelming majority of congresspeople are intent on keeping their seats at the next election, so they are much more sensitive to how politically costly any particular action is. Any congressperson from a conservative, law-and-order district is going to vote against all or nearly all pardons and that's more than enough to scupper any pardon effort that needs 75% approval. Not to mention, calling a vote on each pardon would be an enormous waste of time. With the president, it can be summarized in a single report and he can decide to pardon or not pardon as he sees fit (there is a process designed to do exactly this in place right now); with congress, that report needs to be read by every single house rep and senator and then the formal process of holding a vote needs to be held. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:885522119] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>not really but better than a single person. some powers are just too great to allow a single person to have. with congress it would at least cut down on political favor pardons. as not everyone voting would owe the same person a favor. also with congress i'd want it to be more than simply say 51% in favor of it. make it 75% or something like that</quote> If you set the bar at 75%, I would bet good money that no one would ever be pardoned. Getting 75% of congress to agree on anything is a tall order. Getting them to agree on a politically dangerous action that benefits a single convicted criminal is a non-starter. Presidents have a lot of leverage in pardoning people, particularly in their second terms, because they don't have to seek re-election meaning they don't need to worry about whether or not the public approves of their choice. On the other hand, an overwhelming majority of congresspeople are intent on keeping their seats at the next election, so they are much more sensitive to how politically costly any particular action is. Any congressperson from a conservative, law-and-order district is going to vote against all or nearly all pardons and that's more than enough to scupper any pardon effort that needs 75% approval. Not to mention, calling a vote on each pardon would be an enormous waste of time. With the president, it can be summarized in a single report and he can decide to pardon or not pardon as he sees fit (there is a process designed to do exactly this in place right now); with congress, that report needs to be read by every single house rep and senator and then the formal process of holding a vote needs to be held.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mooreandrew58 08/27/17 2:50:28 AM #67:	darkknight109 posted... mooreandrew58 posted... not really but better than a single person. some powers are just too great to allow a single person to have. with congress it would at least cut down on political favor pardons. as not everyone voting would owe the same person a favor. also with congress i'd want it to be more than simply say 51% in favor of it. make it 75% or something like that If you set the bar at 75%, I would bet good money that no one would ever be pardoned. Getting 75% of congress to agree on anything is a tall order. Getting them to agree on a politically dangerous action that benefits a single convicted criminal is a non-starter. Presidents have a lot of leverage in pardoning people, particularly in their second terms, because they don't have to seek re-election meaning they don't need to worry about whether or not the public approves of their choice. On the other hand, an overwhelming majority of congresspeople are intent on keeping their seats at the next election, so they are much more sensitive to how politically costly any particular action is. Any congressperson from a conservative, law-and-order district is going to vote against all or nearly all pardons and that's more than enough to scupper any pardon effort that needs 75% approval. Not to mention, calling a vote on each pardon would be an enormous waste of time. With the president, it can be summarized in a single report and he can decide to pardon or not pardon as he sees fit (there is a process designed to do exactly this in place right now); with congress, that report needs to be read by every single house rep and senator and then the formal process of holding a vote needs to be held. thats why I said 75% most of these dickweeds don't deserve the pardon. if someone was truly truly deserving of a pardon I feel enough of congress might agree. and I get what you say about wasting time, but sorry I still can't agree with one dude having that kind of power. especially since it seems common for presidents to take the low road and do it on their way out the door. --- Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!" <cite>mooreandrew58 posted [p:885522237] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>mooreandrew58 posted...</cite> <quote>not really but better than a single person. some powers are just too great to allow a single person to have. with congress it would at least cut down on political favor pardons. as not everyone voting would owe the same person a favor. also with congress i'd want it to be more than simply say 51% in favor of it. make it 75% or something like that</quote> If you set the bar at 75%, I would bet good money that no one would ever be pardoned. Getting 75% of congress to agree on anything is a tall order. Getting them to agree on a politically dangerous action that benefits a single convicted criminal is a non-starter. Presidents have a lot of leverage in pardoning people, particularly in their second terms, because they don't have to seek re-election meaning they don't need to worry about whether or not the public approves of their choice. On the other hand, an overwhelming majority of congresspeople are intent on keeping their seats at the next election, so they are much more sensitive to how politically costly any particular action is. Any congressperson from a conservative, law-and-order district is going to vote against all or nearly all pardons and that's more than enough to scupper any pardon effort that needs 75% approval. Not to mention, calling a vote on each pardon would be an enormous waste of time. With the president, it can be summarized in a single report and he can decide to pardon or not pardon as he sees fit (there is a process designed to do exactly this in place right now); with congress, that report needs to be read by every single house rep and senator and then the formal process of holding a vote needs to be held.</quote> thats why I said 75% most of these dickweeds don't deserve the pardon. if someone was truly truly deserving of a pardon I feel enough of congress might agree. and I get what you say about wasting time, but sorry I still can't agree with one dude having that kind of power. especially since it seems common for presidents to take the low road and do it on their way out the door.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/27/17 1:12:58 PM #68:	https://twitter.com/phoenixnewtimes/status/901263384087334914 What a delightful fellow. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:885538456] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/phoenixnewtimes/status/901263384087334914 What a delightful fellow.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kana 08/27/17 1:28:26 PM #69:	adjl posted... https://twitter.com/phoenixnewtimes/status/901263384087334914 What a delightful fellow. Wow what a piece of shit --- Kana \| http://i.imgur.com/N1naExX.png <cite>Kana posted [p:885539235] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/phoenixnewtimes/status/901263384087334914 What a delightful fellow.</quote> Wow what a piece of shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raganork 08/27/17 1:45:32 PM #70:	Arpaio is a racist you-know-what, but I'm not surprised he was pardoned, considering he supported Trump during the election. Get on the president's good side and you could get away with stealing The Crown Jewels. Also, contrary to what you may have seen during the rally, most people here in AZ hate the guy. <cite>Raganork posted [p:885540127] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote>Arpaio is a racist you-know-what, but I'm not surprised he was pardoned, considering he supported Trump during the election. Get on the president's good side and you could get away with stealing The Crown Jewels. Also, contrary to what you may have seen during the rally, most people here in AZ hate the guy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RCtheWSBC 08/27/17 1:47:10 PM #71:	Arpaio was apparently trying to help Trump prove Obama wasn't a US citizen: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/225620165138726912 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/225647494141452290 --- http://i.imgur.com/1yl1fH0.jpg the White-Sounding Black Chick <cite>RCtheWSBC posted [p:885540210] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote>Arpaio was apparently trying to help Trump prove Obama wasn't a US citizen: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/225620165138726912 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/225647494141452290</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Raganork 08/27/17 1:48:54 PM #72:	Trump, yes. I mistyped. Fixed, thank you. <cite>Raganork posted [p:885540319] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote>Trump, yes. I mistyped. Fixed, thank you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RCtheWSBC 08/27/17 1:49:59 PM #73:	You're welcome! Figured it was a typo --- http://i.imgur.com/1yl1fH0.jpg the White-Sounding Black Chick <cite>RCtheWSBC posted [p:885540375] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote>You're welcome! Figured it was a typo</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nightmare2398 08/27/17 5:51:51 PM #74:	adjl posted... https://twitter.com/phoenixnewtimes/status/901263384087334914 What a delightful fellow. This is the newspaper stuff I was talking about, i was just too lazy to find it earlier. He's a real piece of ** --- Steam: SneakyT <cite>Nightmare2398 posted [p:885552591] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/phoenixnewtimes/status/901263384087334914 What a delightful fellow.</quote> This is the newspaper stuff I was talking about, i was just too lazy to find it earlier. He's a real piece of **</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/27/17 5:54:05 PM #75:	Bonus points because the first reply to that stream of damning stories is somebody saying "stick to hockey and don't make political commentary." Some people seem to rather enjoy remaining in denial about awful things Trump's doing. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:885552709] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote>Bonus points because the first reply to that stream of damning stories is somebody saying "stick to hockey and don't make political commentary." Some people seem to rather enjoy remaining in denial about awful things Trump's doing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathMagnetic80 08/28/17 10:01:00 AM #76:	So, the answer is no one can defend it, and at best, will deflect to Obama. <cite>DeathMagnetic80 posted [p:885588107] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote>So, the answer is no one can defend it, and at best, will deflect to Obama.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rooster_Sucker 08/28/17 10:02:09 AM #77:	KevinceKostner posted... Despite the dude being a massive piece of shit (the sheriff that is) No need to specify. Trump is a massive piece of shit, too. <cite>Rooster_Sucker posted [p:885588152] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>KevinceKostner posted...</cite> <quote>Despite the dude being a massive piece of shit (the sheriff that is)</quote> No need to specify. Trump is a massive piece of shit, too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
argonautweakend 08/28/17 10:03:16 AM #78:	adjl posted... Bonus points because the first reply to that stream of damning stories is somebody saying "stick to hockey and don't make political commentary." Some people seem to rather enjoy remaining in denial about awful things Trump's doing. Theyre the news, lol. obviously theyre gonna talk politics <cite>argonautweakend posted [p:885588192] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Bonus points because the first reply to that stream of damning stories is somebody saying "stick to hockey and don't make political commentary." Some people seem to rather enjoy remaining in denial about awful things Trump's doing.</quote> Theyre the news, lol. obviously theyre gonna talk politics</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 08/28/17 10:34:09 AM #79:	It basically comes down to Trump being Trump. He either got no problem with this kind of behavior, or he doesnt know (or care) about it and only cares that the sheriff is a man that "gets shit done". Both things are bad but it is this kind of behavior that got Trump elected, so why act surprised? --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:885589507] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote>It basically comes down to Trump being Trump. He either got no problem with this kind of behavior, or he doesnt know (or care) about it and only cares that the sheriff is a man that "gets shit done". Both things are bad but it is this kind of behavior that got Trump elected, so why act surprised?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XlaxJynx007 08/28/17 10:41:18 AM #80:	I don't really get why you guys are getting so worked up over this --- XB1: MrMegaNutz PS4: DrMegaNutz <cite>XlaxJynx007 posted [p:885589817] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote>I don't really get why you guys are getting so worked up over this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvilMegas 08/28/17 10:49:18 AM #81:	XlaxJynx007 posted... I don't really get why you guys are getting so worked up over this I don't get why you guys are upset over human rights volations and racial profiling being pardoned. --- Official King of Black People http://i.imgur.com/Zk3VS3o.jpg http://imgur.com/a/UeQiE <cite>EvilMegas posted [p:885590145] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't really get why you guys are getting so worked up over this</quote> I don't get why you guys are upset over human rights volations and racial profiling being pardoned.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Bolt 08/28/17 11:03:57 AM #82:	XlaxJynx007 posted... I don't really get why you guys are getting so worked up over this Basically, Trump pardoned a political ally, a sheriff at the border blocking immigration through heavily illegal methods. Trump pardoned Joe because he liked what Joe had accomplished in terms of immigration, despite all the horrifying human rights abuses and blatant disregard for the law. This sets a precedent for the President pardoning more of his allies for doing illegal things he likes. Arpaio even says he wants to be active in politics again... --- One day dude, I'm just gonna get off the bus, and I'm gonna run in the woods and never come back, and when I come back I'm gonna be the knife master! -The Rev <cite>Lightning Bolt posted [p:885590801] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote>I don't really get why you guys are getting so worked up over this</quote> Basically, Trump pardoned a political ally, a sheriff at the border blocking immigration through heavily illegal methods. Trump pardoned Joe because he liked what Joe had accomplished in terms of immigration, despite all the horrifying human rights abuses and blatant disregard for the law. This sets a precedent for the President pardoning more of his allies for doing illegal things he likes. Arpaio even says he wants to be active in politics again...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XlaxJynx007 08/28/17 12:48:56 PM #83:	The President is allowed to pardon anybody they want --- XB1: MrMegaNutz PS4: DrMegaNutz <cite>XlaxJynx007 posted [p:885595722] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote>The President is allowed to pardon anybody they want</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EvilMegas 08/28/17 12:55:14 PM #84:	XlaxJynx007 posted... The President is allowed to pardon anybody they want K bye. Move along --- Official King of Black People http://i.imgur.com/Zk3VS3o.jpg http://imgur.com/a/UeQiE <cite>EvilMegas posted [p:885596021] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote>The President is allowed to pardon anybody they want</quote> K bye. Move along</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sarcasthma 08/28/17 1:22:22 PM #85:	XlaxJynx007 posted... The President is allowed to pardon anybody they want And people are allowed to complain about it. --- What's the difference between a pickpocket and a peeping tom? A pickpocket snatches your watch. <cite>Sarcasthma posted [p:885597497] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote>The President is allowed to pardon anybody they want</quote> And people are allowed to complain about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lightning Bolt 08/28/17 1:23:48 PM #86:	XlaxJynx007 posted... The President is allowed to pardon anybody they want Yep. Pardoning is one of those "above the law" powers, which are necessary in case the law needs to be controlled. It's an important check/balance against the judicial branch. But the fact that it's not really restricted by law means that we need to separately judge the use of each and every pardon, the same as we do with other "above the law" checks/balances such as impeachment (which is a purely political process, not a criminal one), vetos, judicial review, etc. That's the opinion the Supreme Court gave at least, when they declined to set any limits on the pardon. They said, if pardons were being abused, that the proper solution is to impeach. --- One day dude, I'm just gonna get off the bus, and I'm gonna run in the woods and never come back, and when I come back I'm gonna be the knife master! -The Rev <cite>Lightning Bolt posted [p:885597564] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote>The President is allowed to pardon anybody they want</quote> Yep. Pardoning is one of those "above the law" powers, which are necessary in case the law needs to be controlled. It's an important check/balance against the judicial branch. But the fact that it's not really restricted by law means that we need to separately judge the use of each and every pardon, the same as we do with other "above the law" checks/balances such as impeachment (which is a purely political process, not a criminal one), vetos, judicial review, etc. That's the opinion the Supreme Court gave at least, when they declined to set any limits on the pardon. They said, if pardons were being abused, that the proper solution is to impeach.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Grendel Prime 08/28/17 1:24:52 PM #87:	XlaxJynx007 posted... The President is allowed to pardon anybody they want Doesn't mean the President is immune from criticism. Particularly when that criticism is warranted. --- http://i.imgur.com/ocx9d7F.gifv <cite>Grendel Prime posted [p:885597625] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote>The President is allowed to pardon anybody they want</quote> Doesn't mean the President is immune from criticism. Particularly when that criticism is warranted.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tropic_Sunset 08/28/17 2:16:57 PM #88:	XlaxJynx007 posted... The President is allowed to pardon anybody they want Yeah, but in the context of the topic, why was this action a good thing? Or even tenable? --- "Nostalgia is a hell of a drug." -Magus 10 <cite>Tropic_Sunset posted [p:885600543] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote>The President is allowed to pardon anybody they want</quote> Yeah, but in the context of the topic, why was this action a good thing? Or even tenable?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 08/28/17 2:42:52 PM #89:	XlaxJynx007 posted... The President is allowed to pardon anybody they want Nobody's suggesting he wasn't. But, like any other dumb political decision or bad law passed, just because a politician can do something doesn't mean they should. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:885601937] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote>The President is allowed to pardon anybody they want</quote> Nobody's suggesting he wasn't. But, like any other dumb political decision or bad law passed, just because a politician can do something doesn't mean they should.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RCtheWSBC 08/28/17 5:05:27 PM #90:	President Trump on Monday said he announced his pardon of former Maricopa County, Ariz., Sheriff Joe Arpaio as Hurricane Harvey made landfall in Texas because he “assumed the ratings would be far higher.” “In the middle of a hurricane, even though it was a Friday evening, I assumed the ratings would be far higher than they would be normally,” Trump said during a press conference with Finnish President Saudi Niinisto. “You know, the hurricane was just starting.” http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/348327-trump-i-pardoned-arpaio-during-hurricane-because-i-thought-tv-ratings Okay. --- http://i.imgur.com/1yl1fH0.jpg the White-Sounding Black Chick <cite>RCtheWSBC posted [p:885609952] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><quote>President Trump on Monday said he announced his pardon of former Maricopa County, Ariz., Sheriff Joe Arpaio as Hurricane Harvey made landfall in Texas because he “assumed the ratings would be far higher.” “In the middle of a hurricane, even though it was a Friday evening, I assumed the ratings would be far higher than they would be normally,” Trump said during a press conference with Finnish President Saudi Niinisto. “You know, the hurricane was just starting.”</quote> http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/348327-trump-i-pardoned-arpaio-during-hurricane-because-i-thought-tv-ratings Okay.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 08/28/17 5:12:10 PM #91:	XlaxJynx007 posted... The President is allowed to pardon anybody they want And this president pardoned an unambiguous scumbag who has no business being back on the streets. This is a problem, because now an unambiguous scumbag who has no business being back on the streets is back on the streets. That Trump is allowed to do this doesn't make it any less of a problem. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:885610315] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>XlaxJynx007 posted...</cite> <quote>The President is allowed to pardon anybody they want</quote> And this president pardoned an unambiguous scumbag who has no business being back on the streets. This is a problem, because now an unambiguous scumbag who has no business being back on the streets is back on the streets. That Trump is allowed to do this doesn't make it any less of a problem.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tropic_Sunset 08/28/17 5:29:18 PM #92:	adjl posted... And this president pardoned an unambiguous scumbag who has no business being back on the streets. This is my understanding. It doesn't make it good, nor bad. But I don't think I fully understand it, so it seems bad based on what I know. I will welcome your proving me wrong. --- "Nostalgia is a hell of a drug." -Magus 10 <cite>Tropic_Sunset posted [p:885611195] in So can any... [t:75709134]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>And this president pardoned an unambiguous scumbag who has no business being back on the streets.</quote> This is my understanding. It doesn't make it good, nor bad. But I don't think I fully understand it, so it seems bad based on what I know. I will welcome your proving me wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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