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Darmik posted...

The whole set-up of this was really weird and lame. It made the White Walker army look pretty pathetic just standing around and staring. Not one of them had a ranged weapon? Oh wait the King guy had an icicle spear he didn't bother to use until the dragons came. They weren't even paying attention to the ice freezing over. Who knows how long they were waiting for no reason.

The set-up would have worked better if they were hiding behind enemy lines barely surviving or something.

Like another poster earlier said, the only way that scene made any sense is if the night king knew dany would come (somehow) so he can use a dragon

if it's not that, honestly the writers are just lost at this point and don't care about making sense
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ThyCorndog posted...

Darmik posted...

The whole set-up of this was really weird and lame. It made the White Walker army look pretty pathetic just standing around and staring. Not one of them had a ranged weapon? Oh wait the King guy had an icicle spear he didn't bother to use until the dragons came. They weren't even paying attention to the ice freezing over. Who knows how long they were waiting for no reason.

The set-up would have worked better if they were hiding behind enemy lines barely surviving or something.

Like another poster earlier said, the only way that scene made any sense is if the night king knew dany would come (somehow) so he can use a dragon

if it's not that, honestly the writers are just lost at this point and don't care about making sense

Maybe. But yet they didn't figure out they could cross the ice until the Hound threw a rock which made them look pretty dumb and simple minded.

I suppose he could have powers like Bran but I have no idea what they would do with that considering he just seems to be an evil zombie king man.
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So wait I forgot how this worked

So there is the night king and the undead army but how were the white walkers created again? What makes them different/better than the army horde?
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WizardPowers posted...

So wait I forgot how this worked

So there is the night king and the undead army but how were the white walkers created again? What makes them different/better than the army horde?

WWs were made by the children of the forest to fight off men (by shoving dragonglass into a mans heart iirc)

WWs raise wights (their army) from dead bodies
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Btw, what happened to the white walkers having a freezing blizzard around them? Why not just refreeze the lake?
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ManSpread posted...

WWs were made by the children of the forest to fight off men (by shoving dragonglass into a mans heart iirc)

right. And how many of them are there? Cause that's like the 2nd or 3rd one to die isn't it?
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WizardPowers posted...

ManSpread posted...

WWs were made by the children of the forest to fight off men (by shoving dragonglass into a mans heart iirc)

right. And how many of them are there? Cause that's like the 2nd or 3rd one to die isn't it?

the night king is generally seen with 3 other riders (four horsemen motif)

that was the 3rd one to die
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WizardPowers posted...

ManSpread posted...

WWs were made by the children of the forest to fight off men (by shoving dragonglass into a mans heart iirc)

right. And how many of them are there? Cause that's like the 2nd or 3rd one to die isn't it?

it seems like they can make more WWs themselves, though i assume it's a more time consuming process than Wights.
at least, that's the idea i got with the scene of the baby that was given to them at Crasters
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The White Walkers looked like chumps in this episode. They killed one of them and wiped out a whole zombie squad (maybe even a big chunk of their army elsewhere).

It doesn't really seem as threatening that they only need to kill the Night King to win. Especially since he charges up there with them. I suppose we don't know if he has the same weaknesses though and I know there'll be twists to make things complicated.
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COVxy posted...

wufei8706 posted...

ItsYourFault posted...

wight walker dragon!

on a side note: where the fuck did the white walkers come from? they said that one king started it all but where the fuck did he come from?

I ain't even gonna explain shit.
Did you watch any seasons before?
It's there

Tbf, the given explanation doesn't make much sense. The children of the forest didn't want humans cutting down trees so they created a zombie horde? Sounds pretty ridiculous.

this. wufei is being an asshat

Darmik posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

Darmik posted...

The whole set-up of this was really weird and lame. It made the White Walker army look pretty pathetic just standing around and staring. Not one of them had a ranged weapon? Oh wait the King guy had an icicle spear he didn't bother to use until the dragons came. They weren't even paying attention to the ice freezing over. Who knows how long they were waiting for no reason.

The set-up would have worked better if they were hiding behind enemy lines barely surviving or something.

Like another poster earlier said, the only way that scene made any sense is if the night king knew dany would come (somehow) so he can use a dragon

if it's not that, honestly the writers are just lost at this point and don't care about making sense

Maybe. But yet they didn't figure out they could cross the ice until the Hound threw a rock which made them look pretty dumb and simple minded.

I suppose he could have powers like Bran but I have no idea what they would do with that considering he just seems to be an evil zombie king man.

You could maybe argue the Night King was just waiting out Jon and crew, figuring they'd freeze to death and he wouldn't lose any more of his undead army. But this assumes the Night King cares about losses, which he's never seemed to before.
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ROBANN_88 posted...

COVxy posted...

wufei8706 posted...

ItsYourFault posted...

wight walker dragon!

on a side note: where the fuck did the white walkers come from? they said that one king started it all but where the fuck did he come from?

I ain't even gonna explain shit.
Did you watch any seasons before?
It's there

Tbf, the given explanation doesn't make much sense. The children of the forest didn't want humans cutting down trees so they created a zombie horde? Sounds pretty ridiculous.

think of it like this:
to fight the Soviets, the Americans helped fund the Taliban, Bin Laden etc.
but then that bit them in the ass when they turned and crashed a plane in WTC.

same thing here. they created the Walkers to fight the Men, and then they turned on them.

so if the children created them, and bran is like their leader now, why the fuck doesnt he just make it stop?

ItsYourFault posted...

ROBANN_88 posted...

COVxy posted...

wufei8706 posted...

ItsYourFault posted...

wight walker dragon!

on a side note: where the fuck did the white walkers come from? they said that one king started it all but where the fuck did he come from?

I ain't even gonna explain shit.
Did you watch any seasons before?
It's there

Tbf, the given explanation doesn't make much sense. The children of the forest didn't want humans cutting down trees so they created a zombie horde? Sounds pretty ridiculous.

think of it like this:
to fight the Soviets, the Americans helped fund the Taliban, Bin Laden etc.
but then that bit them in the ass when they turned and crashed a plane in WTC.

same thing here. they created the Walkers to fight the Men, and then they turned on them.

so if the children created them, and bran is like their leader now, why the fuck doesnt he just make it stop?

Make what stop? Bran doesn't have any more control over the White Walkers than the children or previous 3 eyed raven did.
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TendoDRM posted...

Make what stop? Bran doesn't have any more control over the White Walkers than the children or previous 3 eyed raven did.

so they just created a monster they can no longer control. a frankenstein of sorts.

Captain_Qwark posted...

If that's actually how Benjen dies I'll be pretty fucking pissed.

You're gonna be pretty fucking pissed then

He died because he wanted to die and also because the writers needed to get rid of him so people don't ask at the end of the show "where's Benjen"
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Well we don't k ow why the walkers ended up turning on them. We haven't gotten any of the story after the first one was created, and we probably won't
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director from last nights ep:



“We were aware that timing was getting a little hazy. We’ve got Gendry running back, ravens flying a certain distance, dragons having to fly back a certain distance…In terms of the emotional experience, [Jon and company] sort of spent one dark night on the island in terms of storytelling moments. We tried to hedge it a little bit with the eternal twilight up there north of The Wall. I think there was some effort to fudge the timeline a little bit by not declaring exactly how long we were there. I think that worked for some people, for other people it didn’t. They seemed to be very concerned about how fast a raven can fly but there’s a thing called plausible impossibilities, which is what you try to achieve, rather than impossible plausibilities. So I think we were straining plausibility a little bit, but I hope the story’s momentum carries over some of that stuff.”

Which basically boils down to "we hoped you would just focus on our Michael Bay action scenes more than you would on logic"
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Maybe Dany borrowed Varys's teleporter
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also, i'm amazed he didn't just freeze to death, all wet like that
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TendoDRM posted...

Darmik posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

Darmik posted...

The whole set-up of this was really weird and lame. It made the White Walker army look pretty pathetic just standing around and staring. Not one of them had a ranged weapon? Oh wait the King guy had an icicle spear he didn't bother to use until the dragons came. They weren't even paying attention to the ice freezing over. Who knows how long they were waiting for no reason.

The set-up would have worked better if they were hiding behind enemy lines barely surviving or something.

Like another poster earlier said, the only way that scene made any sense is if the night king knew dany would come (somehow) so he can use a dragon

if it's not that, honestly the writers are just lost at this point and don't care about making sense

Maybe. But yet they didn't figure out they could cross the ice until the Hound threw a rock which made them look pretty dumb and simple minded.

I suppose he could have powers like Bran but I have no idea what they would do with that considering he just seems to be an evil zombie king man.

You could maybe argue the Night King was just waiting out Jon and crew, figuring they'd freeze to death and he wouldn't lose any more of his undead army. But this assumes the Night King cares about losses, which he's never seemed to before.

dead wights can be brought back, like we saw in hardhome. it either has to be the night king knew what was coming (could have greenseer like powers, considering he can spot bran when bran is spying on him) or the writers are just being dumb
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ThyCorndog posted...

TendoDRM posted...

Darmik posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

Darmik posted...

The whole set-up of this was really weird and lame. It made the White Walker army look pretty pathetic just standing around and staring. Not one of them had a ranged weapon? Oh wait the King guy had an icicle spear he didn't bother to use until the dragons came. They weren't even paying attention to the ice freezing over. Who knows how long they were waiting for no reason.

The set-up would have worked better if they were hiding behind enemy lines barely surviving or something.

Like another poster earlier said, the only way that scene made any sense is if the night king knew dany would come (somehow) so he can use a dragon

if it's not that, honestly the writers are just lost at this point and don't care about making sense

Maybe. But yet they didn't figure out they could cross the ice until the Hound threw a rock which made them look pretty dumb and simple minded.

I suppose he could have powers like Bran but I have no idea what they would do with that considering he just seems to be an evil zombie king man.

You could maybe argue the Night King was just waiting out Jon and crew, figuring they'd freeze to death and he wouldn't lose any more of his undead army. But this assumes the Night King cares about losses, which he's never seemed to before.

dead wights can be brought back, like we saw in hardhome. it either has to be the night king knew what was coming (could have greenseer like powers, considering he can spot bran when bran is spying on him) or the writers are just being dumb

to be fair, how many wights at hardhome were defeated with dragonglass or valyrian steel?
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are all of Aryas faces people she killed?
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DuranOfForcena posted...

so Preston Jacobs presented the math on how fast the raven they sent to Dany would have to have been going. the distance from the Wall to Dragonstone is apparently about 2000 miles, and Gendry appeared to arrive at East-watch at about dusk whereas Dany was heading out with her dragons after getting the raven at what appeared to be midmorning, so given about 12 hours with no time for resting or eating, the raven would have to be flying at about 170 miles an hour. more than 3 times what a raven is actually capable of.

i haven't gotten to what he says about Dany's travel time yet. should be a doozy.

who is that preston jacobs guy? he has so many videos and Ive listened to way more than I probably should have
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I spent many days watching his videos when I first heard about him.

I really like the whole idea that's it's really a sci-fi series and not fantasy
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DuranOfForcena posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

Darmik posted...

The whole set-up of this was really weird and lame. It made the White Walker army look pretty pathetic just standing around and staring. Not one of them had a ranged weapon? Oh wait the King guy had an icicle spear he didn't bother to use until the dragons came. They weren't even paying attention to the ice freezing over. Who knows how long they were waiting for no reason.

The set-up would have worked better if they were hiding behind enemy lines barely surviving or something.

Like another poster earlier said, the only way that scene made any sense is if the night king knew dany would come (somehow) so he can use a dragon

if it's not that, honestly the writers are just lost at this point and don't care about making sense

if you watch the "Inside the Episode" featurette that HBO Now plays after the episode, pretty much all Dan Weiss talks about is how they knew certain plot points that they wanted to have happen (mainly capturing the wight, the party getting stranded, and Dany rescuing them) and everything else was kinda sorta fill in the blanks here, connect these lines there, in ways that could happen or could make some kinda sense. it was pretty laughable watching him explain their process and all actually.

Damn... why can't GRRM just finish the damn books already!! The show is a mess
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DuranOfForcena posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

Darmik posted...

The whole set-up of this was really weird and lame. It made the White Walker army look pretty pathetic just standing around and staring. Not one of them had a ranged weapon? Oh wait the King guy had an icicle spear he didn't bother to use until the dragons came. They weren't even paying attention to the ice freezing over. Who knows how long they were waiting for no reason.

The set-up would have worked better if they were hiding behind enemy lines barely surviving or something.

Like another poster earlier said, the only way that scene made any sense is if the night king knew dany would come (somehow) so he can use a dragon

if it's not that, honestly the writers are just lost at this point and don't care about making sense

if you watch the "Inside the Episode" featurette that HBO Now plays after the episode, pretty much all Dan Weiss talks about is how they knew certain plot points that they wanted to have happen (mainly capturing the wight, the party getting stranded, and Dany rescuing them) and everything else was kinda sorta fill in the blanks here, connect these lines there, in ways that could happen or could make some kinda sense. it was pretty laughable watching him explain their process and all actually.

urghhh
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The whole capturing the wight thing is so stupid. They tried that in like, book two. And it didn't work. But I guess when you have teleportation powers it'll work better. And I also guess that Qyburn will get a huge science boner from seeing the wight.
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scar the 1 posted...

The whole capturing the wight thing is so stupid. They tried that in like, book two. And it didn't work. But I guess when you have teleportation powers it'll work better. And I also guess that Qyburn will get a huge science boner from seeing the wight.

science boner aside, now we actually have a use for the misfired chekov's gun that was his scorpion
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Darkman124 posted...

scar the 1 posted...

The whole capturing the wight thing is so stupid. They tried that in like, book two. And it didn't work. But I guess when you have teleportation powers it'll work better. And I also guess that Qyburn will get a huge science boner from seeing the wight.

science boner aside, now we actually have a use for the misfired chekov's gun that was his scorpion

If he finds out how Viserion died, maybe he can reverse engineer those magical ice javelins also.
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And why the hell wouldn't they just keep smacking the ice with Gendry's giant hammer like they did to that one wight? They could have kept the wights away indefinitely like that.
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If the Night King can toss a spear a mile, why didn't he just pick off the Fellowship while they were sitting ducks on that rock?

Yeah it satisfied our nerd boners seeing the White Walkers vs. the Dragons, but the more and more I think about it, the more I realize how much the show has been a massive let down. With GRRMs books to guide them, they were able to build a very complex world with awesome characters, now they have no idea what to do with those characters...

Besides Tyrion, Jon Snow, and Dany, I don't think there is any argument that can be made for the other characters being better or equal in the show compared to the books. Varys, Little Finger, Jaime, Dornish, Tyrells, Sansa, Arya, Stannis, Roose, Euron, etc. are all infinitely better in the books.
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

If the Night King can toss a spear a mile, why didn't he just pick off the Fellowship while they were sitting ducks on that rock?

isn't this kind of like asking, if you can just assassinate someone with a shadow, why not assassinate everyone with a shadow? the books have done a pretty good job showing that even these fantastical beings and magicks have pretty serious limitations so I didn't have a problem with that, though arguably the show is not as good about making that point

the only problem I had was with the wights being smart enough to stop running into the water but stupid enough not to realize it had frozen over. I guess it makes sense if you assume that the night king was waiting for the dragons (although, even if so, why? you can let the guy get the dragons to come and then ambush them with an ice spear if that's your motive, it's not like she knows they're going to be alive when she comes through)

anyway though yeah the show kinda sucks imho
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

Besides Tyrion, Jon Snow, and Dany

Those three aren't better in the show, especially not after it caught up with the books.
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AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

If the Night King can toss a spear a mile, why didn't he just pick off the Fellowship while they were sitting ducks on that rock?

Depends on how many javelins he had. It's reasonable to assume that they're high-powered artifacts in fairly short supply if they can cut through dragonhide like butter. Because it's a lot easier for one human sitting bored on a rock to sidestep a javelin toss than it is for a massive dragon to dodge one mid-flight, especially if it's too busy roasting zombies to notice.
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I've always thought the books were unilaterally better than the show, even though I thought the show was pretty good until this season

I mean, it's still good, just in a pulpier kind of way imho
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Its pretty much GRRMs fault for the show going to shit
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DuranOfForcena posted...

scar the 1 posted...

The whole capturing the wight thing is so stupid. They tried that in like, book two. And it didn't work. But I guess when you have teleportation powers it'll work better. And I also guess that Qyburn will get a huge science boner from seeing the wight.

lol it'd be funny if when they are done presenting it Qyburn was like "oh would you mind if i kept that?"

if anything he'd bne like" meh, already got one in this shiny armour"
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ManSpread posted...

Its pretty much GRRMs fault for the show going to shit

I think the blame is more or less equally parceled out across multiple parties - GRRM, D&D, the director of a particularly bad or underwhelming ep, right down to the costume designer who came in hungover one day and ordered Euron's wardrobe straight out of the Hugo Boss catalog.

I do get tired of people who dump the blame exclusively at D&D's feet, though. I'm sure they are directly responsible for plenty of the show's missteps, but they've always gotten plenty of sympathy from me over the unenviable task of adapting and unfilmable and unfinished book series.
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masterpug53 posted...

I do get tired of people who dump the blame exclusively at D&D's feet, though. I'm sure they are directly responsible for plenty of the show's missteps, but they've always gotten plenty of sympathy from me over the unenviable task of adapting and unfilmable and unfinished book series.

Well, they are the showrunners. I guess you can also blame GRRM for writing slowly, lol. But the buck pretty much stops with them.
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that and book 4 being so bad that the showrunnners had to mostly invent new material to fill the gap presented by brienne's quest to nowhere
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