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COVxy
08/21/17 8:41:45 AM
#152:


wufei8706 posted...
ItsYourFault posted...
wight walker dragon!

on a side note: where the fuck did the white walkers come from? they said that one king started it all but where the fuck did he come from?


I ain't even gonna explain shit.
Did you watch any seasons before?
It's there


Tbf, the given explanation doesn't make much sense. The children of the forest didn't want humans cutting down trees so they created a zombie horde? Sounds pretty ridiculous.
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BlueBoy675
08/21/17 8:44:06 AM
#153:


COVxy posted...
wufei8706 posted...
ItsYourFault posted...
wight walker dragon!

on a side note: where the fuck did the white walkers come from? they said that one king started it all but where the fuck did he come from?


I ain't even gonna explain shit.
Did you watch any seasons before?
It's there


Tbf, the given explanation doesn't make much sense. The children of the forest didn't want humans cutting down trees so they created a zombie horde? Sounds pretty ridiculous.

Wasn't just the trees. They were hunting them down iirc
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Darkman124
08/21/17 8:44:22 AM
#154:


COVxy posted...
Tbf, the given explanation doesn't make much sense. The children of the forest didn't want humans cutting down trees so they created a zombie horde? Sounds pretty ridiculous.


first men and the children fought a war

children lost the war

children create walkers as a weapon of last resort

walkers overwhelm the children AND first men, and they form an alliance to defeat them

apparently at least one of them (night king) survived north of the wall, and slowly regenerated his walker army with the babies of wildlings
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COVxy
08/21/17 9:13:43 AM
#155:


Darkman124 posted...
COVxy posted...
Tbf, the given explanation doesn't make much sense. The children of the forest didn't want humans cutting down trees so they created a zombie horde? Sounds pretty ridiculous.


first men and the children fought a war

children lost the war

children create walkers as a weapon of last resort

walkers overwhelm the children AND first men, and they form an alliance to defeat them

apparently at least one of them (night king) survived north of the wall, and slowly regenerated his walker army with the babies of wildlings


I see, I can see how some of this can be grazed from the cave scenes and Bran's visions. But was there additional explanation?
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BlueBoy675
08/21/17 9:16:39 AM
#156:


COVxy posted...
Darkman124 posted...
COVxy posted...
Tbf, the given explanation doesn't make much sense. The children of the forest didn't want humans cutting down trees so they created a zombie horde? Sounds pretty ridiculous.


first men and the children fought a war

children lost the war

children create walkers as a weapon of last resort

walkers overwhelm the children AND first men, and they form an alliance to defeat them

apparently at least one of them (night king) survived north of the wall, and slowly regenerated his walker army with the babies of wildlings


I see, I can see how some of this can be grazed from the cave scenes and Bran's visions. But was there additional explanation?

There was literally a scene where they showed the children creating the Night King
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Trayvon
08/21/17 9:18:05 AM
#157:


why the fuck didn't that made guy at the end get on the horse with Jon lol
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COVxy
08/21/17 9:19:45 AM
#158:


BlueBoy675 posted...
There was literally a scene where they showed the children creating the Night King


Yes, and Bran woke up and looked to the lady and she said "to save the trees..." or something to that effect.

Or, that's what I remember from that scene.
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Darkman124
08/21/17 9:22:23 AM
#159:


COVxy posted...

I see, I can see how some of this can be grazed from the cave scenes and Bran's visions. But was there additional explanation?


i'm not sure exactly how often the war of man vs children is mentioned on the show but the books drill it in

only the show explicitly reveals the children created the walkers

the legend of the long night mentions man and children fighting the walkers off
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BlueBoy675
08/21/17 9:32:40 AM
#160:


Trayvon posted...
why the fuck didn't that made guy at the end get on the horse with Jon lol

He can't pass the wall, and I kinda get the vibe he's been wanting to die anyway
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scar the 1
08/21/17 9:45:49 AM
#161:


Darkman124 posted...
(and the only reason Gendry can possibly still exist as a character)

They're setting it up pretty poorly, then. Not even attempting to display his skill as a blacksmith. And if they go the direction you're saying, they'll have to be even more gratuitous with the amount of time it takes to do stuff. Forging weapons doesn't just happen over night, after all.
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Mernardi
08/21/17 9:49:21 AM
#162:


BlueBoy675 posted...
Trayvon posted...
why the fuck didn't that made guy at the end get on the horse with Jon lol

He can't pass the wall, and I kinda get the vibe he's been wanting to die anyway

But...if he's somehow a wight, how can he die except by fire or Valerian steel / dragon glass?
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BlueBoy675
08/21/17 9:58:35 AM
#163:


Mernardi posted...
BlueBoy675 posted...
Trayvon posted...
why the fuck didn't that made guy at the end get on the horse with Jon lol

He can't pass the wall, and I kinda get the vibe he's been wanting to die anyway

But...if he's somehow a wight, how can he die except by fire or Valerian steel / dragon glass?

He's not fully a wight. He can still die I'm pretty sure. However, he cannot pass the wall, as he's blocked by the same magic that the walkers and wights are. He wasn't sure why he was still alive, and probably saw rescuing Jon as his reason for living. I mean, that's just my take
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Darkman124
08/21/17 10:37:43 AM
#164:


i forgot to bitch about this before

but if benjen died there that was the shittiest death ever

and speaking of shitty deaths where the hell were the redshirts coming from? it's westeros seven anytime there is character interaction but if someone has to die all of a sudden there are random wildlings/watchmen/whatever who are getting killed

even late in the ice lake fight
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Mernardi
08/21/17 10:48:32 AM
#165:


Darkman124 posted...
i forgot to bitch about this before

but if benjen died there that was the shittiest death ever

and speaking of shitty deaths where the hell were the redshirts coming from? it's westeros seven anytime there is character interaction but if someone has to die all of a sudden there are random wildlings/watchmen/whatever who are getting killed

even late in the ice lake fight

They were always there. They just weren't shown prominently, for obvious reasons.
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Darkman124
08/21/17 11:52:57 AM
#168:


DuranOfForcena posted...
there is nothing to suggest that dragon glass has anything at all to do with the forging of Valyrian steel. all that we know concretely about it is that it is spellforged in dragonfire. it would be incredibly unrealistic if the show chose to claim that all it needs is some molten obsidian to be mixed in with the molten steel. there is no way that and dragonfire would be all that it takes to make the steel come out impossibly lighter, impossibly stronger and perpetually sharp. realistically if you tried to combine molten rock with steel, you'd ruin the metal and wouldn't even be able to make anything out of it. rock just does not have any physical characteristics that would be relevant or positive in forging a metal blade.


i am not disagreeing with you, but the show is likely to handwave it all as "valyrian steel works because it haz dragonglass in it!" simply because the writers are backed into a corner with the choices they have made.

that or the night king just crushes everyone, really. dragonglass isn't especially useful against wights, since it shatters on impact (see sam fighting wight in book 3 after killing a walker with dragonglass), so weapons made of that aren't gonna turn the horde of wights back, just kill the walkers.

and now that they've invented magic instakill spears to make dragons non-viable as a weapon against them, there's basically no useful weapon against the army of the dead, now complete with wall-melting dragon

as far as the 'lost spellforge methods' we've got two characters loaded up with forbidden/lost knowledge (bran/sam) and at least one person adept in fire magic (melisandre) so it seems likely that the secrets will be revealed. valyrian steel is a pretty clear chekov's gun for the story.
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ssj3vegeta_
08/21/17 11:54:11 AM
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Darkman124
08/21/17 11:54:55 AM
#170:


ssj3vegeta_ posted...

I hope he at least wargs into viserion


heh, that would be an amusing idea and give new meaning to the arc words "you'll never walk, but you will fly."

probably rhaego and not viserion, though.
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Darkman124
08/21/17 12:38:02 PM
#172:


DuranOfForcena posted...

it's true that the show plays it much more fast and loose with dragonglass than the books do. for instance, in just this last episode people were shown using dragonglass to great effectiveness with the wights. that really doesn't make any sense, especially with what the books have established about it, like you brought up. so for that reason i think you may be right that the show is just gonna handwave it, realism and logic be damned, like they've done with so much other stuff. and yeah maybe some spells from Bran and Sam might come into play, but honestly i doubt the show is going to put that much care into it.

i still maintain that dragonglass will have nothing to do with the forging of Valyrian steel or dragonsteel in the book series though. GRRM actually cares about realism and logic. he's the guy who has dragons with 4 limbs including the wings, because there is no physiological precedent in real life for an animal to have 4 limbs plus the two wings, six limbs total. he puts care into the thinking behind this kind of stuff.


yeah to be clear i am speaking only of the show. i don't even recall valyrian steel having been shown to have unique effects against walkers in the books

(doing some research apparently 'dragonsteel'--strongly hinted to be valyrian steel--is written of in the archives as being lethal to them)
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justaguy3492
08/21/17 12:42:12 PM
#173:


I get suspense and all, but why has no one suggested that Jon marry Danny? Literally solves both of their problems, Jon doesn't have to give up his pride and Danny gets a locked in ally against Cersei.
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Darkman124
08/21/17 12:49:42 PM
#175:


justaguy3492 posted...
I get suspense and all, but why has no one suggested that Jon marry Danny? Literally solves both of their problems, Jon doesn't have to give up his pride and Danny gets a locked in ally against Cersei.


dany likely intends to rule without a king/prince consort as she sees herself as the 'last targaryen' and is barren. she won't even discuss what happens after her death.

presumably how this will go is she and jon fuck and his magic sperm gets her pregnant because plot

then soon afterward bran/howland reed reveal that he's a targaryen
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GOATSLAYER
08/21/17 1:11:37 PM
#176:


Darkman124 posted...
justaguy3492 posted...
I get suspense and all, but why has no one suggested that Jon marry Danny? Literally solves both of their problems, Jon doesn't have to give up his pride and Danny gets a locked in ally against Cersei.


dany likely intends to rule without a king/prince consort as she sees herself as the 'last targaryen' and is barren. she won't even discuss what happens after her death.

presumably how this will go is she and jon fuck and his magic sperm gets her pregnant because plot

then soon afterward bran/howland reed reveal that he's a targaryen

Did they ever specifically say on the show that she's barren? She's said a few times that she won't have another kid, but I thought she just didn't want to have another one because of how things turned out the first time. I didn't realize that she wasn't able to have any more
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Darkman124
08/21/17 1:18:23 PM
#177:


GOATSLAYER posted...
Did they ever specifically say on the show that she's barren? She's said a few times that she won't have another kid, but I thought she just didn't want to have another one because of how things turned out the first time. I didn't realize that she wasn't able to have any more


mirri maz bloodmage told her that the ritual to save drogo destroyed her unborn child as well as her ability to have any more
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The_Doge
08/21/17 1:22:31 PM
#179:


Darkman124 posted...
GOATSLAYER posted...
Did they ever specifically say on the show that she's barren? She's said a few times that she won't have another kid, but I thought she just didn't want to have another one because of how things turned out the first time. I didn't realize that she wasn't able to have any more


mirri maz bloodmage told her that the ritual to save drogo destroyed her unborn child as well as her ability to have any more

Link to scene?
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Butterfiles
08/21/17 1:26:51 PM
#180:


jon snow's plot armor is absolutely absurd

benjen deserves the throne more than his bitch ass or daenerys
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voldothegr8
08/21/17 1:27:52 PM
#181:


Butterfiles posted...
jon snow's plot armor is absolutely absurd

The Lord of Light works in mysterious ways.
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Butterfiles
08/21/17 1:42:46 PM
#182:


also this arya v sansa stuff is the most contrived bs
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ManSpread
08/21/17 2:15:50 PM
#183:


considering they keep bringing up dany being barren

shes going to get pregnant

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Sad_Face
08/21/17 2:17:39 PM
#184:


Butterfiles posted...
also this arya v sansa stuff is the most contrived bs


It annoys me to no end. It's one thing to say "I don't trust you". But what is she trying to accomplish by threatening to kill her or expose her and blaming her for everything that happened? This is such pointless animosity.
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salandrews
08/21/17 4:35:22 PM
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Jon snow is gonna pound that ass and have fun trying.

The man is westeros jesus im sure he can manage
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salandrews
08/21/17 4:39:12 PM
#187:


It happened lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOIxJSVVIxI


This is not spoilers for future episodes.
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DarthAragorn
08/21/17 4:55:22 PM
#189:


That episode was badass and the character interactions beyond the wall were great but goddamn it's feeling so sloppy and rushed
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Oakland510_
08/21/17 5:17:11 PM
#190:


Is there a good quality of the entire scene where Dany and her dragons saves the group? Some youtube video quality suck ass and don't show the full thing. I don't want to go to the full episode and skip the video until I see the scene
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ssj3vegeta
08/21/17 5:50:52 PM
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voldothegr8
08/21/17 5:52:32 PM
#192:


ssj3vegeta posted...
Where the FUCK is ghost???




have the creators answered dat question yet

They don't have direwolf budget with all these dragons running amuck. One direwolf scene was it.
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FF_Redux
08/21/17 5:54:24 PM
#193:


I thought they killed Ghost when they killed Jon? Or am I remembering it wrong?
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ArtVandelay
08/21/17 6:02:31 PM
#194:


voldothegr8 posted...
ssj3vegeta posted...
Where the FUCK is ghost???




have the creators answered dat question yet

They don't have direwolf budget with all these dragons running amuck. One direwolf scene was it.

they didn't even bother showing Rhaegal at the wall near the end either lol
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ArtVandelay
08/21/17 6:02:47 PM
#195:


FF_Redux posted...
I thought they killed Ghost when they killed Jon? Or am I remembering it wrong?

you're remembering it wrong
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Makeveli_lives
08/21/17 6:03:37 PM
#196:


ssj3vegeta posted...
Where the FUCK is ghost???




have the creators answered dat question yet

Apparently the wolves are kept in a separate location and filming them means taking an entire camera crew and professional trainers to another country entirely to get the shot, then cgi that footage in or some insane shit
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Oakland510_
08/21/17 6:19:24 PM
#197:


Oakland510_ posted...
Is there a good quality of the entire scene where Dany and her dragons saves the group? Some youtube video quality suck ass and don't show the full thing. I don't want to go to the full episode and skip the video until I see the scene
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Darmik
08/21/17 6:25:41 PM
#198:


The whole set-up of this was really weird and lame. It made the White Walker army look pretty pathetic just standing around and staring. Not one of them had a ranged weapon? Oh wait the King guy had an icicle spear he didn't bother to use until the dragons came. They weren't even paying attention to the ice freezing over. Who knows how long they were waiting for no reason.

The set-up would have worked better if they were hiding behind enemy lines barely surviving or something.
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salandrews
08/21/17 6:42:27 PM
#199:


Those few skilled men tore apart a large number of undead.

Letting them freeze, alongside the risk of uncertain stability of the ice, to death is better for them
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ThyCorndog
08/21/17 6:55:44 PM
#200:


ssj3vegeta posted...
Where the FUCK is ghost???




have the creators answered dat question yet

Ghost is going to rescue benjen!
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ROBANN_88
08/21/17 6:56:39 PM
#201:


COVxy posted...
wufei8706 posted...
ItsYourFault posted...
wight walker dragon!

on a side note: where the fuck did the white walkers come from? they said that one king started it all but where the fuck did he come from?


I ain't even gonna explain shit.
Did you watch any seasons before?
It's there


Tbf, the given explanation doesn't make much sense. The children of the forest didn't want humans cutting down trees so they created a zombie horde? Sounds pretty ridiculous.


think of it like this:
to fight the Soviets, the Americans helped fund the Taliban, Bin Laden etc.
but then that bit them in the ass when they turned and crashed a plane in WTC.

same thing here. they created the Walkers to fight the Men, and then they turned on them.
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