Board 8 > POLL: What do you think about the google memo?

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foolm0r0n posted...

Metal_DK posted...

I guess were just going to have to agree to disagree

It's not an opinion

Your anecdotes aren't i suppose. But the studies do show people lie on social media, even among your friends/followers/etc
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Metal_DK posted...

Your anecdotes aren't i suppose

That's what the whole argument was about!

Anyways the point is, loser virgins fall for political movement like redpill/etc because they just want to get laid. They get laid, and nothing changes. They get married, have kids, nothing changes. It might be the entry point but it's definitely not why people stay in the movements.
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foolm0r0n posted...

WhoopsyDaisy posted...

It actually kind of explains a lot of gender differences

Doesn't explain India, or why many non-tech science fields like math have way stronger female representation.

And still you're explaining only the what, not WHY women are so anti-snag. Is it the DNA?

Math has a female-dominated teaching job at the end of it. if you look at math PhDs, which actually require you to contribute new knowledge which means trying random things until something works (in math at least), those are primarily male even though women get more PhDs overall:

http://www.ams.org/profession/data/annual-survey/2014Survey-NewDoctorates-Report.pdf

I found a video that addresses the India thing (29:33). The data they're referring to was from a study of 200,000 people in 53 countries in 6 continents, and across every single one men were more likely to be interested in thing-related jobs and women were more likely to be interested in people-related jobs. The gap was largest in the richest, freest countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E577jhf25t4&t=1773

At 24:00 they get into the "why." The higher your levels of prenatal testosterone, the more likely you are to be interested in people vs things, and the more difficulty you'll have empathizing with people, independently of sex.

If I had to guess why girls are more snag-resistant than boys it's because if you rewind 10,000 years it's a bad plan for women to waste calories doing dangerous stuff but not so much for men. Software engineering is kind of like going off into the wilderness while you're not sure what's out there.

The great thing is, though, that it implies a solution. We need to give kids more experience failing safely. If you get one bad test score in school that can hurt your grade forever. That benefits everyone, since mental toughness is a good attribute for anyone to have.
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foolm0r0n posted...

That's what the whole argument was about!

Anyways the point is, loser virgins fall for political movement like redpill/etc because they just want to get laid. They get laid, and nothing changes. They get married, have kids, nothing changes. It might be the entry point but it's definitely not why people stay in the movements.

Ok, your friends on social media are the ones who have never exaggerated anything/lied/etc. I'll just say most aren't like that according to research.

The entry point is kinda an important part.
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EndOfDiscOne posted...

I'm honestly surprised that everyone is arguing with Metal_DK on this point, and that he has to provide sources to prove that people lie and exaggerate on the internet. Or people are just trolling.

Nobody argued that people don't lie/exaggerate on the internet.

The argument was over the fact that Metal_DK just instantly handwaved foolmo's specific anecdote and told him "They're lying to you."
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WhoopsyDaisy posted...

I found a video that addresses the India thing

This was the first thing Vlado said to me so you can read #26 -> #34 for this

WhoopsyDaisy posted...

Math has a female-dominated teaching job at the end of it

Grade school math teaching is apparently around 50/50 so that doesn't make much sense either. Also, you don't need any math degrees to teach math. Any degree works, you just get a bonus for having a master/phd I think.

I mean there's clearly reasons that women don't continue from math in college into phds and industry and such, same with other sciences. But my point is, why is that effect only realized at the post-college level for math/sciences, but for CS specifically it is realized pre-college down to like elementary school? There's clearly something else there.

The rest of your post is non-science. As far as I know, women went out into the wilderness all the time and continued to be leaders in family survival for a long time, but I'm not anthropologist.

But you're right, there's so much early-stage nurture and stereotyping that force kids into certain boxes, for no reason. It's a very easy place to start changing things, but there's always lots of resistance, also for no reason.
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foolm0r0n posted...

As far as I know, women went out into the wilderness all the time and continued to be leaders in family survival for a long time, but I'm not anthropologist.

Translation: I pulled it out of my ass.

foolm0r0n posted...

But you're right, there's so much early-stage nurture and stereotyping that force kids into certain boxes, for no reason.

Citation needed.
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Espeon posted...

I find it hilarious that Vlado, as usual, only brings up "science" when it agrees with him.

So does the left.

oops I posted on my 3 alts in a row
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UltiXX posted...

Espeon posted...

I find it hilarious that Vlado, as usual, only brings up "science" when it agrees with him.

So does the left.

sure, because it always agrees with us
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