Current Events > I'm a minority and have a white nationalist friend

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They ain't all horrible people, he's a good friend and respects me. White nationalism is different from white supremacy though, they aren't looking to extinguish other cultures but rather to preserve their own culture and heritage
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yes, there is a difference between trying to preserve your culture and being racist. :v
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0/10 random Stormfaqs alt
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So, curious:

What does a white nationalist believe to be "white" culture? And in what ways do they think it is threatened?
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0/10 don't care
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AlisLandale posted...

So, curious:

What does a white nationalist believe to be "white" culture? And in what ways do they think it is threatened?

I'm white myself, and don't feel included in their "culture'. Basically being obese and rural
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"White culture?"

My dad used to tell me about the days when the different groups of European Americans hated each other. Now they're suddenly all unified? C'mon.
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yea... I don't really know what white culture is either and I'm white. :u Is it the mayflower?
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I don't understand this. Isn't White people already preserved through things like Irish parades and renaissance fairs and through Europe? Isn't there always a German town or Italian town in the big major cities?
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Cool.
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TroutPaste posted...

I'm white myself, and don't feel included in their "culture'. Basically being obese and rural

I'm mostly curious because to me, there isn't a "white" culture, because "being white" isn't something many modern people have built a culture around.

You can make the case for "Black Culture" by pointing to various historical elements in America, like music (Jazz, Rock) and different communities (Black churches, for example). Same with other minority ethnicities.

But "White" culture isn't really a thing. If there are cultures attributed to white ethnicities, it's innately divided by nationality or region, like Italian, Irish, etc. And unlike "White" culture, nobody is attacking or threatening those. Nobody thinks you're weird if you say "I'm proud of my Italian heritage and culture".
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White culture is whatever people feel it is at any given moment. You can bet it'd break down if they were the only group, with in-fighting between Irish and Danes and Scottish and whatever.
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AlisLandale posted...

So, curious:

What does a white nationalist believe to be "white" culture? And in what ways do they think it is threatened?

It's mostly American white southern culture from what I understand, he's from the south. I guess his white nationalism is a more regional one but broadly they feel threatened by the discrimination faced by Christians in modern American culture. They also feel being white in America today means they aren't equally competing for opportunities with minorities, they feel in jobs, school applications, etc... minorities have an unfair advantage because the liberal narrative has taken root in mainstream culture. True or not that's how they feel and that's what they want to change
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Funny thing is I've heard some Italians say they aren't White. Hilarious.
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Kazi1212 posted...

I guess his white nationalism is a more regional one but broadly they feel threatened by the discrimination faced by Christians in modern American culture. They also feel being white in America today means they aren't equally competing for opportunities with minorities, they feel in jobs, school applications, etc... minorities have an unfair advantage because the liberal narrative has taken root in mainstream culture. True or not that's how they feel and that's what they want to change

But all of this is vastly incorrect. White nationalism aside, you have a friend who believes things that simply aren't true, and are MEASURABLY not true.
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If you feel you're being oppressed because you're white...
I would have to say you likely have some sorry of complex.

This is very possible scenario, Rebel. You're tendency to label people as Stormfronters is asinine.
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lol 'white' culture.

isn't that just stealing other people's culture?
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ShotOJameson posted...

lol 'white' culture.

isn't that just stealing other people's culture?

No.
That's absurd.
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When races gonna combine like in that south park episode
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Kazi1212 posted...

the discrimination faced by Christians in modern American culture

Christians aren't discriminated against in America just because we're moving away from them being the favored religion.
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LordRazziel posted...

If you feel you're being oppressed because you're white...
I would have to say you likely have some sorry of complex.

This is very possible scenario, Rebel. You're tendency to label people as Stormfronters is asinine.

Im sure its just a coincidence that this random nobody account nobody has seen before popped out this week to defend neoNazis.
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Anteaterking posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

the discrimination faced by Christians in modern American culture

Christians aren't discriminated against in America just because we're moving away from them being the favored religion.

Maybe, but that's just how they feel. They might have a skewed view of reality but that genuine feeling of theirs is coming from somewhere. Perhaps it's because quite a large percentage in this country are either below or just barely hovering around the poverty line. And white people arent immune to this, a ton of white people are on welfare for instance, and its proportionally close to the percentage of people on welfare of other races(except Asians I believe). So they just feel these truths of their problems are being buried under the modern American cultural narrative, and thus they feel threatened.

I guess my point it is they're people too. Their beliefs about the world might be empirically false but let's not discount genuiness of what they're feeling. They just perhaps express it in a distasteful way in our modern culture and the narratives we believe in.
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They arent people
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RebelElite791 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

If you feel you're being oppressed because you're white...
I would have to say you likely have some sorry of complex.

This is very possible scenario, Rebel. You're tendency to label people as Stormfronters is asinine.

Im sure its just a coincidence that this random nobody account nobody has seen before popped out this week to defend neoNazis.

And here I thought karma meant something :(
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Sages are the biggest shit posting trolls on this site.
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Kazi1212 posted...

RebelElite791 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

If you feel you're being oppressed because you're white...
I would have to say you likely have some sorry of complex.

This is very possible scenario, Rebel. You're tendency to label people as Stormfronters is asinine.

Im sure its just a coincidence that this random nobody account nobody has seen before popped out this week to defend neoNazis.

And here I thought karma meant something :(

Rebel is not anyone worth paying any mind to. Insults are about all he has in his arsenal.
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Kazi1212 posted...

Anteaterking posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

the discrimination faced by Christians in modern American culture

Christians aren't discriminated against in America just because we're moving away from them being the favored religion.

Maybe, but that's just how they feel. They might have a skewed view of reality but that genuine feeling of theirs is coming from somewhere. Perhaps it's because quite a large percentage in this country are either below or just barely hovering around the poverty line. And white people arent immune to this, a ton of white people are on welfare for instance, and its proportionally close to the percentage of people on welfare of other races(except Asians I believe). So they just feel these truths of their problems are being buried under the modern American cultural narrative, and thus they feel threatened.

I guess my point it is they're people too. Their beliefs about the world might be empirically false but let's not discount genuiness of what they're feeling. They just perhaps express it in a distasteful way in our modern culture and the narratives we believe in.

But when such people are confronted with the truth of the situation and choose to ignore it and cling more tightly to their mistaken beliefs and vote for candidates who let them maintain their delusion, then it stops being about "Think about their feelings!"
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Anteaterking posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Anteaterking posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

the discrimination faced by Christians in modern American culture

Christians aren't discriminated against in America just because we're moving away from them being the favored religion.

Maybe, but that's just how they feel. They might have a skewed view of reality but that genuine feeling of theirs is coming from somewhere. Perhaps it's because quite a large percentage in this country are either below or just barely hovering around the poverty line. And white people arent immune to this, a ton of white people are on welfare for instance, and its proportionally close to the percentage of people on welfare of other races(except Asians I believe). So they just feel these truths of their problems are being buried under the modern American cultural narrative, and thus they feel threatened.

I guess my point it is they're people too. Their beliefs about the world might be empirically false but let's not discount genuiness of what they're feeling. They just perhaps express it in a distasteful way in our modern culture and the narratives we believe in.

But when such people are confronted with the truth of the situation and choose to ignore it and cling more tightly to their mistaken beliefs and vote for candidates who let them maintain their delusion, then it stops being about "Think about their feelings!"

Perhaps, but on the same token it also doesn't mean that we should be demonizing them, calling them deplorables etc.. Because as I said, their feelings are a reflection of something genuine even if their articulation of it is not. It would behove the nation to be more charitable in our judgments of all Americans
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Dude, I could believe that every person wealthier than me should give me money so I could buy the things I want at their expense but it don't mean that view should be respected or that its not ridiculously laughable.
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Kazi1212 posted...

Perhaps, but on the same token it also doesn't mean that we should be demonizing them, calling them deplorables etc.. Because as I said, their feelings are a reflection of something genuine even if their articulation of it is not. It would behove the nation to be more charitable in our judgments of all Americans

then what are you suggesting be done about it? We can't stop no longer propping them up as most favoured, and that's what they want to continue. Ultimately they need to accept this, even if it may be upsetting.
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But when such people are confronted with the truth of the situation and choose to ignore it and cling more tightly to their mistaken beliefs and vote for candidates who let them maintain their delusion, then it stops being about "Think about their feelings!"

That's because of many of these people are failures. By that I mean they all feel like they've been screwed by the world. Usually it revolves around women, but sometimes it's work, or status, whatever. These people didn't meet their own expectations, and instead of reassessing, or seeking self-improvement, these snowflakes blame liberals and minorities for their problems. Attaching themselves to dangerous hate groups in order to feel a sense of community. They're the very definition of manchildren.
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Kazi1212 posted...

I don't know my gimmick

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That_Happened posted...

"White culture?"

My dad used to tell me about the days when the different groups of European Americans hated each other. Now they're suddenly all unified? C'mon.

That honestly confuses me at times. Take for instance historically Irish and Italian people weren't the best of friends. Cultures are completely different and arrived in America at completely different instances of American history. Or even people with British vs French ancestries, can unite under being White.

My guess would be "white" is the shared common identity created in America for anyone of European descent. And that it doesn't really factor individual cultural differences too deeply.

I too have heard Italians either conisidering or not considering themselves white. I know that people like Anthony Cumia or Nick DiPaolo do.

Looking at TC's posting history he defends Trump and supports the KKK. Just tag the guy and move on. His opinions aren't worth reading.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Sages are the biggest shit posting trolls on this site.

umm... discrimination much!?
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A popular idea in moral psychology is that people make decisions based on their feelings and gut reaction to a situation, and then retroactively use rational or moral justifications to explain that action and make it jive with their perceptions of themselves. It's theorized to be a big part of the reasons people vote for things that hurt them, because they want to identify with the people who actually do benefit from the vote, even when they demonstrably do not, and statistically will not.

Really, this counter intuitive decision making rubric complicates a lot of our daily decisions, and beating it requires us to really slow down and painstakingly examine our motivations in ways we usually can't because of the constant pressure to keep moving and keep tackling decisions.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Sages are the biggest shit posting trolls on this site.

don't hate@ me for being level 37, BRO

Account Nazi
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https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75679798/884938552

smh
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Who wants to bet TC is one of those "As a black man" types
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Kazi1212 posted...

Perhaps, but on the same token it also doesn't mean that we should be demonizing them, calling them deplorables etc.. Because as I said, their feelings are a reflection of something genuine even if their articulation of it is not. It would behove the nation to be more charitable in our judgments of all Americans

What do you mean it's a reflection of something genuine? It doesn't matter if they genuinely believe something that's false, it's still false. And if they make decisions that negatively affect people who don't look like them out of some mistaken fear, they should still be called out on it, not coddled. What happened to being the party of personal responsibility?
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Anteaterking posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

Perhaps, but on the same token it also doesn't mean that we should be demonizing them, calling them deplorables etc.. Because as I said, their feelings are a reflection of something genuine even if their articulation of it is not. It would behove the nation to be more charitable in our judgments of all Americans

What do you mean it's a reflection of something genuine? It doesn't matter if they genuinely believe something that's false, it's still false. And if they make decisions that negatively affect people who don't look like them out of some mistaken fear, they should still be called out on it, not coddled. What happened to being the party of personal responsibility?

I mean it's a reflection of something genuine insofar as there's actual, extremely serious problems this demographic of people faces. Their anger is a misguided reaction to the mainstream culture deeming their issues and their suffering as being somehow insignificant compared to other groups of people. This is where the modern liberal is at fault, they don't give equal importance to a whole host of issues that almost a third of Americans are facing. It just happens to be they are white. But somehow in our culture today we have this attitude going around that if you're white you must automatically have a decent life that's void of problems other groups of people face. Liberals genuinely believe that somehow the woes of minorities are somehow more significant than those of white folks. Suffering is suffering people, ones skin color doesn't change that. Minorities might have different kinds of issues than white people face, but to softly delegitimize the problems of others based on that is just wrong.

So what are these problems these white people are facing? Because I'm sure someone will respond white people sociologically speaking don't have significant issues compared to minority groups. All I would ask you to do is critically examine the demographic of white people in South and Midwest, mainly those that live in rural areas. If you do, you will see they are stuck in a culture of poverty similar to other minority demographics. As I said earlier, the percentage of this demographic of people that are either below or just hovering around in the poverty line is similar to those of minority demographics. Quite a large percentage of them are in welfare. And they face similar problems that comes with being in poverty, drug addiction, constant financial issues, less likely to be college educated etc....

Just take a road trip venturing into the rust belt and Midwest, you will see town after town that's looks like they've been abandoned. There used to be jobs there, but the modern world has left them behind. These people, who comprise a third of our nation, are the forgotten people of today. Their problems are just as real and just as demanding, but because they are white somehow their issues are less significant. It's this lack attention on quite a large demographic of people that have spurred the radical right and all I'm saying we can't ignore their issues any longer and just keep calling them names
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TheBiggerWiggle posted...

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/75679798/884938552

smh

I see you have a great sarcasm detector
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Kazi1212 posted...

They ain't all horrible people, he's a good friend and respects me. White nationalism is different from white supremacy though, they aren't looking to extinguish other cultures but rather to preserve their own culture and heritage

What exactly is their culture? I am American and white btw.
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