Current Events > Trump's got a plan to solve the opioid crisis

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https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/895002109363585024
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What if we got a movie star and had them, I dunno, smash up a kitchen with a frying pan or something?
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It shouldn't be a real quote

but it is
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Damn, what a plan! Nobody's ever thought of that before!
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Well...god damn. 7d chess right there.
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In addition to the ineffectiveness of the plan, isn't the majority clientele of opiods adults with access to medical insurance?
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Asherlee10 posted...

Trump says to prevent opioid overdoses, tell youths "no good, really bad for you." "If they don't start it'll never be a problem."

Well, that just sounds incredibly convenient. Why in the hell do we have so many addiction specialists if the answer is this simple?

Rehab and addiction therapy and all that jazz are a waste of money. They might work for a while but if you need outside influence to quit, you'll start again as soon as you are back out on your own.

The only way to quit is willpower. Source: I broke my back and was on 120+mg oxy a day for like 5 years but realistically I only should've needed it for a few months. Quitting was a literal living hell but it's possible and opiod withdrawal won't directly kill you if you stay nourished. The day I quit I was going to kill myself but broke down and didn't do it, then I took the bullet out and now I have a necklace made out of it.
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you know i really was on the fence about this presidency but DAMN HE JUST ROASTED ALL HIS OPPONENTS

TRUMP 2020
TRUMP 2024

TRUMP FOR LIFE
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Meanwhile the leftists' plan to solve the opioid crisis is "just make it illegal, that'll stop em"
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philsov posted...

In addition to the ineffectiveness of the plan, isn't the majority clientele of opiods adults with access to medical insurance?

simple. we make a time machine, go back in time and tell them not to do it
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Meanwhile the leftists' plan to solve the opioid crisis is "just make it illegal, that'll stop em"

Pretty sure more liberals support things like rehab and treatment....
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I say we gather all the opioid and push them somewhere else.
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Why doesn't he just do this about Mexico instead of wasting money on the wall then? "hey, you criminals in Mexico, don't come over here, k?"

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Meanwhile the leftists' plan to solve the opioid crisis is "just make it illegal, that'll stop em"

I can't think of better evidence that you've actually never listened to a Liberal's platform on drug addiction.
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The only way to help people is to stop demonizing it so it's easier to tell the world you have a problem so you can take the time to get clean. It's borderline impossible to go through withdrawal and still function in every day Life. The withdrawals last at least 1-2 weeks so it's kinda impossible to quit if you have a job or anything. Then you have PAWS which can last for years after quitting ( was about 2 years for me).

Suboxone doesn't help it's just a healthier replacement but it's actually harder to get off of than oxys. Clonodine is the only thing I suggest asking a doctor about because I've heard from many people that it eases the physical pain from coming off the junk.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Meanwhile the leftists' plan to solve the opioid crisis is "just make it illegal, that'll stop em"

This is an incredibly stupid post even for your standards
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Meanwhile the leftists' plan to solve the opioid crisis is "just make it illegal, that'll stop em"

Prohibition is, uh, not the Left's approach to drug use at all
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Trump says to prevent opioid overdoses, tell youths "no good, really bad for you." "If they don't start it'll never be a problem."

Well, that just sounds incredibly convenient. Why in the hell do we have so many addiction specialists if the answer is this simple?

Rehab and addiction therapy and all that jazz are a waste of money. They might work for a while but if you need outside influence to quit, you'll start again as soon as you are back out on your own.

The only way to quit is willpower. Source: I broke my back and was on 120+mg oxy a day for like 5 years but realistically I only should've needed it for a few months. Quitting was a literal living hell but it's possible and opiod withdrawal won't directly kill you if you stay nourished. The day I quit I was going to kill myself but broke down and didn't do it, then I took the bullet out and now I have a necklace made out of it.

It's not a waste, that's why outpatient treatment like IOP is for. But it is a waste if the person doesn't want to stop, eg. Parents making their resistant kid go to rehab.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Meanwhile the leftists' plan to solve the opioid crisis is "just make it illegal, that'll stop em"

I can't think of better evidence that you've actually never listened to a Liberal's platform on drug addiction.

I assume he's referencing the Clinton era strategy on drugs.
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Butterfiles posted...

This is an incredibly stupid post even for your standards

Is it really though? Seems more par for the course
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philsov posted...

In addition to the ineffectiveness of the plan, isn't the majority clientele of opiods adults with access to medical insurance?

Yeah, both his plan and his idea of what the problem is stem from 1985.
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s0nicfan posted...

I assume he's referencing the Clinton era strategy on drugs.

Didn't the "war on drugs" start with Reagan, though?
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s0nicfan posted...

I assume he's referencing the Clinton era strategy on drugs.

So the party platform of 25 years ago is relevant to modern liberals how exactly?
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Antifar posted...

philsov posted...

In addition to the ineffectiveness of the plan, isn't the majority clientele of opiods adults with access to medical insurance?

Yeah, both his plan and his idea of what the problem is stem from 1985.

tbf i'm not suree Trump knows what an opioid is...

he has some kind of point

https://www.axios.com/doctors-from-elite-schools-prescribe-fewer-narcotics-2470360593.html?utm_medium=linkshare&utm_campaign=organic

General practitioners were less likely to be from elite schools, but when they were trained at Harvard, they averaged 180 opioid prescriptions a year; when they were from the lowest-ranked schools, they handed out an average of 550 opioid prescriptions a year.

"If all GPs prescribed like those from [Harvard], we would have had 56.5% fewer opioid prescriptions and 8.5% fewer deaths over the period 2006 to 2014," they wrote, making outreach to this type of doctor critical.
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CableZL posted...

s0nicfan posted...

I assume he's referencing the Clinton era strategy on drugs.

Didn't the "war on drugs" start with Reagan, though?

Technically the term was invented during Nixon's term. Clinton was just the first person to create a cabinet position to deal specifically with that, who then make it a taxpayer funded position. Some of the bigger actions like "stop and frisk" and "three strikes rules" were also first put into action under Clinton, and that doesn't include the whole "superpredator" thing.
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Trigg3rH4ppy posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Trump says to prevent opioid overdoses, tell youths "no good, really bad for you." "If they don't start it'll never be a problem."

Well, that just sounds incredibly convenient. Why in the hell do we have so many addiction specialists if the answer is this simple?

Rehab and addiction therapy and all that jazz are a waste of money. They might work for a while but if you need outside influence to quit, you'll start again as soon as you are back out on your own.

The only way to quit is willpower. Source: I broke my back and was on 120+mg oxy a day for like 5 years but realistically I only should've needed it for a few months. Quitting was a literal living hell but it's possible and opiod withdrawal won't directly kill you if you stay nourished. The day I quit I was going to kill myself but broke down and didn't do it, then I took the bullet out and now I have a necklace made out of it.

The system is so fucked up. Idk how things are now, but it's a deterrent for me. I won't go back to any of those freaking places. Every time I think about making a bad choice, I remind myself that I could very likely end up somewhere worse.

I think detox centers are fine, to monitor people who are trying to... well, detox. The in patient didn't help me one bit, and neither did the other portion. You know what I did do? Make friends.

Edit: I also had the same thing with breaking my back. I could have stopped after... maybe a month, since that's when I could walk by myself. They just sent me to pain management and those people were actually the ones who made me stop.
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Theresa May (the UK prime minister and famous leftist...not) has a great solution: ban all "psychoactive substances" and then exempt alcohol, cigarettes, etc. /s just in case. :(

Antifar posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Meanwhile the leftists' plan to solve the opioid crisis is "just make it illegal, that'll stop em"

Prohibition is, uh, not the Left's approach to drug use at all

Lol what?

Look at every single Democrats' stance on drugs that's not marijuana.
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Look at every single Democrats' stance on drugs that's not marijuana.

We must confront the epidemic of drug and alcohol addiction, specifically the opioid crisis and other drugs plaguing our communities, by vastly expanding access to prevention and treatment, supporting recovery, helping community organizations, and promoting better practices by prescribers. The Democratic Party is committed to assisting the estimated 20 million people struggling with addiction in this country to find and sustain healthy lives by encouraging full recovery and integration into society and working to remove common barriers to gainful employment, housing, and education. We will continue to fight to expand access to care for addiction services, and ensure that insurance coverage is equal to that for any other health conditions. We think it is time for the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the Department of Labor, and state regulatory agencies to fully implement the protections of the Mental Health Parity and Addictions Equity Act of 2008—which means that American medical insurers, including the federal government, will need to disclose how they make their medical management decisions.

We should also do more to educate our youth, as well as their families, teachers, coaches, mentors, and friends, to intervene early to prevent drug and alcohol abuse and addiction. We should help state and local leaders establish evidence-based, age-appropriate, and locally-tailored prevention programs. These programs include school-based drug education programs that have been shown to have meaningful effects on risky behavior; community-based peer mentorship and leadership programs; and after-school activities that deter drug use and encourage life skills.


The party's fucking platform itself
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

Look at every single Democrats' stance on drugs that's not marijuana.

We must confront the epidemic of drug and alcohol addiction, specifically the opioid crisis and other drugs plaguing our communities, by vastly expanding access to prevention and treatment, supporting recovery, helping community organizations, and promoting better practices by prescribers. The Democratic Party is committed to assisting the estimated 20 million people struggling with addiction in this country to find and sustain healthy lives by encouraging full recovery and integration into society and working to remove common barriers to gainful employment, housing, and education. We will continue to fight to expand access to care for addiction services, and ensure that insurance coverage is equal to that for any other health conditions. We think it is time for the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), the Department of Labor, and state regulatory agencies to fully implement the protections of the Mental Health Parity and Addictions Equity Act of 2008—which means that American medical insurers, including the federal government, will need to disclose how they make their medical management decisions.

We should also do more to educate our youth, as well as their families, teachers, coaches, mentors, and friends, to intervene early to prevent drug and alcohol abuse and addiction. We should help state and local leaders establish evidence-based, age-appropriate, and locally-tailored prevention programs. These programs include school-based drug education programs that have been shown to have meaningful effects on risky behavior; community-based peer mentorship and leadership programs; and after-school activities that deter drug use and encourage life skills.


The party's fucking platform itself

So I know Trump is the least eloquent president we've ever had, but isn't his poorly worded point effectively the same as the bolded portion of the dem's platform?
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

The party's f***ing platform itself

I don't see "legalization" in there anywhere.

And we all know how well "rehabilitation" worked out during prohibition, right? Lol
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

The party's f***ing platform itself

I don't see "legalization" in there anywhere.

And we all know how well "rehabilitation" worked out during prohibition, right? Lol

Hey there Einstein, rehabilitation isn't in there either.
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Very few outside the US see the Democrats as leftist (rightly so IMO). It's even more laughable when you consider some of the criticisms that were levelled at Hillary Clinton (and Obama for that matter). I mean, she was commonly called 'Shillary' for fuck's sake and accused of being a 'war hawk'. That should tell you all you need to know.

Bernie is one of the few modern-day Democrats that could be accused of being a leftist, and shockingly, he supports legalizing marijuana at the federal level at the very least.

Hahahahahahahaha

I expected something stupid but damn

Does this tweet have a source?
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Sephiroth1288 posted...

The Great Muta 22 posted...

The party's f***ing platform itself

I don't see "legalization" in there anywhere.

And we all know how well "rehabilitation" worked out during prohibition, right? Lol

Hey there Einstein, rehabilitation isn't in there either.

Sorry, "treatment"
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Sephiroth1288 posted...

Sorry, "treatment"

You're original statement was that leftists plan to stop the opioid crisis is "just make it illegal, that'll stop em", which is categorically false. You suck at this.
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I'd be ok if we just stopped giving them out on a long term basis unless you were literally terminally ill.

They are one of the reasons health insurance sucks so hard in America because insurance pays out the ass so junkies can get weak 5 minute highs for free--until they OD and cost insurance even more money.
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