Current Events > A Google employee wrote an anti-diversity manifesto thats going viral

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The document has been widely condemned by company employees

https://apple.news/AYj_HBY80SMCttPXhsctFTQ


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They are currently being sued for gender discrimination. That attorney has a raging boner right now.
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A senior software engineer at Google has written a document titled “Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber,” which calls for the company to replace its diversity initiatives with ones that promote “ideological diversity,” according to a report from Motherboard.

I mean, this is pretty much the point of diversity. There is no benefit of having people of different races and genders if they all share the same exact ideology.

Its author argues that the gender gaps at Google are the result of biological differences between men and women, and that the company shouldn’t offer programs that help under-represented groups

The Harvard studies examining the wage gap myth came to this same conclusion.

I haven't read the entire manifesto, but I don't see any issue with this. It seems like the kind of thing regressive liberals naturally hate because it's another instance where reality doesn't support their narrative.
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It's confusing to me what people against the idea of ideological differences between genders are concerned with. Men and women do think differently. It's both the result of the culture AND biological differences. We live on different instincts, and physically there are far too many differences to suggest that the two gender's minds could possibly act identical given the same upbringing. Without actual specifics to the article though, it's a bit unclear the true purpose of the article and key points.
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bump
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lol
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Literally shaking right now.

I don't think I've ever shook so hard in my life.
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shnangyboos posted...

Literally shaking right now.

I don't think I've ever shook so hard in my life.

shake it like a salt shaker
shake it like a salt shaker
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legendarylemur posted...

It's confusing to me what people against the idea of ideological differences between genders are concerned with. Men and women do think differently. It's both the result of the culture AND biological differences. We live on different instincts, and physically there are far too many differences to suggest that the two gender's minds could possibly act identical given the same upbringing. Without actual specifics to the article though, it's a bit unclear the true purpose of the article and key points.

gender binary is a human construct
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I've dated enough girls to know one thing. I don't understand how they fucking think at all, it's always a mystery.
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I found a book that helps you understand women:


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Captain_Qwark posted...

shaking in anger

Lmao
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Captain_Qwark posted...

shaking in anger

LITERALLY SHAKING!
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joeun_saram posted...

I found a book that helps you understand women:

Lmao!
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its pretty tame
like this passage.
Note, I’m not saying that all men differ from women in the following ways or that these differences are “just.” I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership. Many of these differences are small and there’s significant overlap between men and women, so you can’t say anything about an individual given these population level distributions
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legendarylemur posted...

It's confusing to me what people against the idea of ideological differences between genders are concerned with. Men and women do think differently. It's both the result of the culture AND biological differences. We live on different instincts, and physically there are far too many differences to suggest that the two gender's minds could possibly act identical given the same upbringing. Without actual specifics to the article though, it's a bit unclear the true purpose of the article and key points.

a lot of reasons. but you should know the basis of there thinking first. there is a long standing idea that humans are a blank slate(tabula rasa). John Locke, Rousseau.. its something deeply ingrained within the social sciences. This isn't stuff that is new by any means btw, Steven Pinker has a book about it in the early 2000's and making the case against it.

well if you think that humans are blank slate(and this isn't just argued mentally but also physically, that our gentials are the only difference), well then what do you attribute the difference of outcomes in society to? only society, so the society must be changed so that there is equality of outcome.

they also have a nice little trick to handwave criticism of contrary evidence that goes like this. All evidence society generates is inherently biased. And this bias is in favor of reinforcing the ideas currently held by society.
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KiwiTerraRizing posted...

They are currently being sued for gender discrimination. That attorney has a raging boner right now.

wtf
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Captain_Qwark posted...

shaking in anger

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Jaana Dogan was visibly shaken.
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Sounds like a conservative snowflake afraid a big bad woman will take his job.

He even starts it out with "I'm not sexist, but...."

Lol
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I read it. It sounds reasonable. Here's the most damning part for Google:

"I strongly believe in gender and racial diversity, and I think we should strive for more. However, to achieve a more equal gender and race representation, Google has created several discriminatory practices:
Programs, mentoring, and classes only for people with a certain gender or race [5]
A high priority queue and special treatment for “diversity” candidates
Hiring practices which can effectively lower the bar for “diversity” candidates by decreasing the false negative rate
Reconsidering any set of people if it’s not “diverse” enough, but not showing that same scrutiny in the reverse direction (clear confirmation bias)
Setting org level OKRs for increased representation which can incentivize illegal discrimination [6]"

That's fucked up and good for him for writing the memo.
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I can't find the actual memo :/

Really interested

As a white guy working in tech, there is basically no room for discourse on this sort of thing in the industry

Which is a tragedy because I think no one is really "anti-diversity" so much as skeptical of the methods used to achieve diversity

And maybe/probably everything google is doing is the best/right way to do it
But since no one can ask questions without being vilified, discontent festers into 10 page manifestos
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g980 posted...

I can't find the actual memo :/

Really interested

As a white guy working in tech, there is basically no room for discourse on this sort of thing in the industry

Which is a tragedy because I think no one is really "anti-diversity" so much as skeptical of the methods used to achieve diversity

And maybe/probably everything google is doing is the best/right way to do it
But since no one can ask questions without being vilified, discontent festers into 10 page manifestos

The full memo is on Gizmodo but watch out for the comments section, it's full of cancer
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Women, who needs 'em!
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Not everything was right, but it was a reasonable document which was met ironically, but not surprisingly, by the echo chamber mentioned in the prelude. I also didn't read everything so he may have degenerated into some bullshit by some point, I actually stopped around the time he started talking about sex differences which surely will be a contentious point.

Most of what was written before hand was accurate though.
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IllegalAlien posted...

Not everything was right, but it was a reasonable document which was met ironically, but not surprisingly, by the echo chamber mentioned in the prelude. I also didn't read everything so he may have degenerated into some bullshit by some point, I actually stopped around the time he started talking about sex differences which surely will be a contentious point.

Most of what was written before hand was accurate though.

It was a very reasonable piece, tbqh.
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Captain_Qwark posted...

shaking in anger

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idk that seemed reasonable and not meant to be inflammatory in the slightest

though i'm sure he's been fired and branded a racist misogynist by now

This is why Trump won, liberals can't stand facts that races and genders will never be equal and confuse that for sexism and racist behavior
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcTdlCtW2dA

You can find the whole memo here
http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320

Way too long to block quote

Reads like a /redpill compilation
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tremain07 posted...

liberals can't stand facts that races and genders will never be equal

and why's that?
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joeun_saram posted...

tremain07 posted...

liberals can't stand facts that races and genders will never be equal

and why's that?

because the powers that be will not allow it.
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iosifsvoboda posted...

You can find the whole memo here
http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320

Way too long to block quote

Reads like a /redpill compilation

maybe if youre a far left super SJW
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bump
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should women be paid less because 'they are biologically inferior to men'
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Turtlebread posted...

should women be paid less because 'they are biologically inferior to men'

Nope, and they're not. The difference in salary after controlling for similar job and education is almost entirely explained by family decisions -- women taking more time off for maternity leave, wanting to work flex time after giving birth, etc. In fact, if you compare professional childless men and women in their late 30s to early 40s, the wage gap not only disappears, it reverses itself.
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well i think they should
boys rule girls drool!
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GiftedACIII posted...

lol

iosifsvoboda posted...

You can find the whole memo here
http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320

Way too long to block quote

Reads like a /redpill compilation

Thanks for the link

The guy definitely has a couple thinly veiled r/redpill ideas in there, but you have to give him credit for presenting his ideas in a non-inflammatory way

I think it's wild that so many articles label this as "anti diversity" though

He's presented his view on what effective diversity should mean, and suggests that there is a deficit of critical conversation on the subject
The backlash just helps to prove his point
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Turtlebread posted...

should women be paid less because 'they are biologically inferior to men'

Who are you quoting
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iPhone_7 posted...

shnangyboos posted...

Literally shaking right now.

I don't think I've ever shook so hard in my life.

shake it like a salt shaker
shake it like a salt shaker

she felt like this

Jeff Sessions should probably take a look at Google. And many, many more.
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Capn Circus posted...

Jeff Sessions should probably take a look at Google. And many, many more.

?

Fucking Hail Satan
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I like how nowhere in the article is there a real refutation to the "manifesto"

Just a bunch of people salty that anyone would make a fact-based argument against their worldview.
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g980 posted...

iosifsvoboda posted...

You can find the whole memo here
http://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-diversity-screed-1797564320

Way too long to block quote

Reads like a /redpill compilation

Thanks for the link

The guy definitely has a couple thinly veiled r/redpill ideas in there, but you have to give him credit for presenting his ideas in a non-inflammatory way

I think it's wild that so many articles label this as "anti diversity" though

He's presented his view on what effective diversity should mean, and suggests that there is a deficit of critical conversation on the subject
The backlash just helps to prove his point

It's not anti inflammatory just because he speaks of his opposition retorically
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What does

Reconsidering any set of people if it’s not “diverse” enough, but not showing that same scrutiny in the reverse direction (clear confirmation bias)

mean?

Questionmarktarius posted...

What does

Reconsidering any set of people if it’s not “diverse” enough, but not showing that same scrutiny in the reverse direction (clear confirmation bias)

mean?

He wants a set of people to be able to considered too diverse and wants too much diversity to be scrutinized
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