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Transcendentia 08/05/17 9:37:36 PM #1:	About how everyone had to work for the Collective. You were given a plot of land and some cows to work with. You would have to give the Collective portions of what was produced. If you ever gained more land or more cows, the Collective would take them and redistribute them. If you wanted milk, sugar, flour, and other necessary items...you had to wait in line to receive rations that were distributed by the Collective. My father would wait in those lines for ten to twenty hours at a time in order to get a small amount of necessary items. There were often shortages. Electricity was very unreliable and uncommon. Utilities and roads were almost nonexistent for most of the country. Anyone disagreeing with collective train of thought would be in danger of being fined, imprisoned, or even executed. Especially if you were religious. There were barely any businesses operating there. Individuals were not allowed to run and operate any businesses for themselves. Pretty much no hope of growing or expanding beyond bare subsistence and reliance on others. People were subject to complete indoctrination about how communism was good and capitalism was evil. Anti-American propaganda was everywhere even though people who managed to sneak in American shows fell in love with the concept of American capitalism and America in general. Essentially it was a shit hole that has never recovered. Good Cracked article: http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1314-5-things-you-only-know-if-you-grew-up-in-communist-regime.html --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884256101] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote>About how everyone had to work for the Collective. You were given a plot of land and some cows to work with. You would have to give the Collective portions of what was produced. If you ever gained more land or more cows, the Collective would take them and redistribute them. If you wanted milk, sugar, flour, and other necessary items...you had to wait in line to receive rations that were distributed by the Collective. My father would wait in those lines for ten to twenty hours at a time in order to get a small amount of necessary items. There were often shortages. Electricity was very unreliable and uncommon. Utilities and roads were almost nonexistent for most of the country. Anyone disagreeing with collective train of thought would be in danger of being fined, imprisoned, or even executed. Especially if you were religious. There were barely any businesses operating there. Individuals were not allowed to run and operate any businesses for themselves. Pretty much no hope of growing or expanding beyond bare subsistence and reliance on others. People were subject to complete indoctrination about how communism was good and capitalism was evil. Anti-American propaganda was everywhere even though people who managed to sneak in American shows fell in love with the concept of American capitalism and America in general. Essentially it was a shit hole that has never recovered. Good Cracked article: http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-1314-5-things-you-only-know-if-you-grew-up-in-communist-regime.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZombiePelican 08/05/17 9:41:18 PM #2:	>Unironically linking to Cracked --- http://i.imgur.com/J1Fi0Cw.jpg http://i.imgur.com/MCC79Ov.jpg http://i.imgur.com/iEMaJl1.jpg http://i.imgur.com/grqvrr9.png <cite>ZombiePelican posted [p:884256267] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote>>Unironically linking to Cracked</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
chill02 08/05/17 9:42:09 PM #3:	sounds like Cuba --- Ave, true to Caesar. <cite>chill02 posted [p:884256315] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote>sounds like Cuba</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/05/17 9:49:54 PM #4:	some Cracked stuff is interesting ;_; --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884256658] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote>some Cracked stuff is interesting ;_;</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 08/05/17 9:52:29 PM #5:	Transcendentia posted... About how everyone had to work for the Collective. You were given a plot of land and some cows to work with. You would have to give the Collective portions of what was produced. If you ever gained more land or more cows, the Collective would take them and redistribute them. If you wanted milk, sugar, flour, and other necessary items...you had to wait in line to receive rations that were distributed by the Collective. My father would wait in those lines for ten to twenty hours at a time in order to get a small amount of necessary items. There were often shortages. Electricity was very unreliable and uncommon. Utilities and roads were almost nonexistent for most of the country. Anyone disagreeing with collective train of thought would be in danger of being fined, imprisoned, or even executed. Especially if you were religious. There were barely any businesses operating there. Individuals were not allowed to run and operate any businesses for themselves. Pretty much no hope of growing or expanding beyond bare subsistence and reliance on others. People were subject to complete indoctrination about how communism was good and capitalism was evil. Anti-American propaganda was everywhere even though people who managed to sneak in American shows fell in love with the concept of American capitalism and America in general. One thing I'll always be grateful to Hillary for his stomping Bernie in the primaries. This is what he wants for the U.S. --- "If the day does not require an AK, it is good." The Great Warrior Poet, Ice Cube <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:884256790] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>About how everyone had to work for the Collective. You were given a plot of land and some cows to work with. You would have to give the Collective portions of what was produced. If you ever gained more land or more cows, the Collective would take them and redistribute them. If you wanted milk, sugar, flour, and other necessary items...you had to wait in line to receive rations that were distributed by the Collective. My father would wait in those lines for ten to twenty hours at a time in order to get a small amount of necessary items. There were often shortages. Electricity was very unreliable and uncommon. Utilities and roads were almost nonexistent for most of the country. Anyone disagreeing with collective train of thought would be in danger of being fined, imprisoned, or even executed. Especially if you were religious. There were barely any businesses operating there. Individuals were not allowed to run and operate any businesses for themselves. Pretty much no hope of growing or expanding beyond bare subsistence and reliance on others. People were subject to complete indoctrination about how communism was good and capitalism was evil. Anti-American propaganda was everywhere even though people who managed to sneak in American shows fell in love with the concept of American capitalism and America in general.</quote> One thing I'll always be grateful to Hillary for his stomping Bernie in the primaries. This is what he wants for the U.S.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/05/17 11:18:43 PM #6:	DifferentialEquation posted... One thing I'll always be grateful to Hillary for his stomping Bernie in the primaries. This is what he wants for the U.S. He might not want those things, but the outcome of his policies would push us in that direction. --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884260982] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>One thing I'll always be grateful to Hillary for his stomping Bernie in the primaries. This is what he wants for the U.S. </quote> He might not want those things, but the outcome of his policies would push us in that direction.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Genocet_10-325 08/05/17 11:21:25 PM #7:	Lol@ people who think democratic socialism is the same thing as Marxist socialism or communism. --- Formerly known as The_Great_Geno <cite>Genocet_10-325 posted [p:884261125] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote>Lol@ people who think democratic socialism is the same thing as Marxist socialism or communism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KiwiTerraRizing 08/05/17 11:22:45 PM #8:	In Romania, husband cuck you. --- Jake Peralta: World's Grossest Pervert <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:884261201] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote>In Romania, husband cuck you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/05/17 11:25:32 PM #9:	Genocet_10-325 posted... Lol@ people who think democratic socialism is the same thing as Marxist socialism or communism. They are not the same thing. Socialism is a bridge to communism, but not communism in itself. --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884261334] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote>Lol@ people who think democratic socialism is the same thing as Marxist socialism or communism.</quote> They are not the same thing. Socialism is a bridge to communism, but not communism in itself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Genocet_10-325 08/05/17 11:42:55 PM #10:	Transcendentia posted... Genocet_10-325 posted... Lol@ people who think democratic socialism is the same thing as Marxist socialism or communism. They are not the same thing. Socialism is a bridge to communism, but not communism in itself. Marxist socialism is a bridge to communism. Democratic socialism is not. --- Formerly known as The_Great_Geno <cite>Genocet_10-325 posted [p:884262186] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote>Lol@ people who think democratic socialism is the same thing as Marxist socialism or communism.</quote> They are not the same thing. Socialism is a bridge to communism, but not communism in itself.</quote> Marxist socialism is a bridge to communism. Democratic socialism is not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/05/17 11:47:43 PM #11:	Genocet_10-325 posted... Transcendentia posted... Genocet_10-325 posted... Lol@ people who think democratic socialism is the same thing as Marxist socialism or communism. They are not the same thing. Socialism is a bridge to communism, but not communism in itself. Marxist socialism is a bridge to communism. Democratic socialism is not. The distinction between democratic socialism, Marxist socialism, and socialism is useless and meaningless. --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884262420] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Genocet_10-325 posted...</cite> <quote>Lol@ people who think democratic socialism is the same thing as Marxist socialism or communism.</quote> They are not the same thing. Socialism is a bridge to communism, but not communism in itself.</quote> Marxist socialism is a bridge to communism. Democratic socialism is not.</quote> The distinction between democratic socialism, Marxist socialism, and socialism is useless and meaningless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 08/05/17 11:49:33 PM #12:	Transcendentia posted... some Cracked stuff is interesting ;_; It used to be good, it jumped the shark a few years ago. I think I stopped going there indefinitely after the article titled (paraphrasing) "Why Wikipedia is sexist against women", followed by a four point article where the first two points described how the author discovered Wikipedia and started editing and creating pages there, and the second two points were about how the Wikipedia community hated transgender people because the author of the article was actually transgender. <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:884262519] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>some Cracked stuff is interesting ;_;</quote> It used to be good, it jumped the shark a few years ago. I think I stopped going there indefinitely after the article titled (paraphrasing) "Why Wikipedia is sexist against women", followed by a four point article where the first two points described how the author discovered Wikipedia and started editing and creating pages there, and the second two points were about how the Wikipedia community hated transgender people because the author of the article was actually transgender.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DawnKeyOaty 08/05/17 11:50:22 PM #13:	this is definitely a Proudclad topic --- Sad! <cite>DawnKeyOaty posted [p:884262563] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote>this is definitely a Proudclad topic</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Skye Reynolds 08/05/17 11:51:33 PM #14:	Cracked? Is it an old article? If this is new, it's pretty out of character for them. They're usually far enough to the left that they'd give us 6 reasons why we need to stop fearing the communist boogeyman. <cite>Skye Reynolds posted [p:884262630] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote>Cracked? Is it an old article? If this is new, it's pretty out of character for them. They're usually far enough to the left that they'd give us 6 reasons why we need to stop fearing the communist boogeyman.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 08/05/17 11:51:44 PM #15:	You mean Socialist Romania. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:884262641] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote>You mean Socialist Romania.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 08/05/17 11:52:33 PM #16:	Skye Reynolds posted... Cracked? Is it an old article? If this is new, it's pretty out of character for them. They're usually far enough to the left that they'd give us 6 reasons why we need to stop fearing the communist boogeyman. 2014. But as already pointed out, there's a big difference between socialism/hybrid capitalist-socialist societies and flatout Soviet-style communism. <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:884262689] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Skye Reynolds posted...</cite> <quote>Cracked? Is it an old article? If this is new, it's pretty out of character for them. They're usually far enough to the left that they'd give us 6 reasons why we need to stop fearing the communist boogeyman.</quote> 2014. But as already pointed out, there's a big difference between socialism/hybrid capitalist-socialist societies and flatout Soviet-style communism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/05/17 11:52:56 PM #17:	JE19426 posted... You mean Socialist Romania. It had a socialist party when it first started its descent into communism, but my grandma and parents lived in Romania when it had become a communist nation. --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884262710] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote>You mean Socialist Romania.</quote> It had a socialist party when it first started its descent into communism, but my grandma and parents lived in Romania when it had become a communist nation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 08/05/17 11:59:14 PM #18:	Transcendentia posted... It had a socialist party when it first started its descent into communism, but my grandma and parents lived in Romania when it had become a communist nation. It was never a Communist nation. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:884263030] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>It had a socialist party when it first started its descent into communism, but my grandma and parents lived in Romania when it had become a communist nation. </quote> It was never a Communist nation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/06/17 12:00:18 AM #19:	JE19426 posted... Transcendentia posted... It had a socialist party when it first started its descent into communism, but my grandma and parents lived in Romania when it had become a communist nation. It was never a Communist nation. Yes it was. --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884263086] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>It had a socialist party when it first started its descent into communism, but my grandma and parents lived in Romania when it had become a communist nation. </quote> It was never a Communist nation.</quote> Yes it was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
545x39 08/06/17 12:05:54 AM #20:	I recall watching a PBS program titled Chuck Norris vs Communism. It was about the bootleg film industry in Romania and how people would watch illegal American films. --- Freya weeps upon her golden throne. https://i.imgtc.com/dD8IIcQ.jpg <cite>545x39 posted [p:884263390] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote>I recall watching a PBS program titled Chuck Norris vs Communism. It was about the bootleg film industry in Romania and how people would watch illegal American films.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Transcendentia 08/06/17 12:07:02 AM #22:	545x39 posted... I recall watching a PBS program titled Chuck Norris vs Communism. It was about the bootleg film industry in Romania and how people would watch illegal American films. Yeah, it was a huge sub culture in Romania. Along with watching bootleg Bollywood films. But in general, Romanians were obsessed (and still are) with American culture. And when communism fell and people found the freedom to grow and thrive and start businesses and invest, they began to adopt a lot of the American culture. And a lot of Romanians relocated to America. --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884263446] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>545x39 posted...</cite> <quote>I recall watching a PBS program titled Chuck Norris vs Communism. It was about the bootleg film industry in Romania and how people would watch illegal American films.</quote> Yeah, it was a huge sub culture in Romania. Along with watching bootleg Bollywood films. But in general, Romanians were obsessed (and still are) with American culture. And when communism fell and people found the freedom to grow and thrive and start businesses and invest, they began to adopt a lot of the American culture. And a lot of Romanians relocated to America.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 08/06/17 12:07:18 AM #23:	Transcendentia posted... Yes it was. Wrong. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:884263464] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Yes it was.</quote> Wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/06/17 12:07:31 AM #24:	CrimsonRage posted... So you hate communism because you're family is from Romania? Interesting. That certainly gives your posts a lot more context, Proudclad. I hate communism because it's the most immoral and corrosive system ever invented by mankind --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884263475] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>CrimsonRage posted...</cite> <quote>So you hate communism because you're family is from Romania? Interesting. That certainly gives your posts a lot more context, Proudclad.</quote> I hate communism because it's the most immoral and corrosive system ever invented by mankind</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/06/17 12:08:04 AM #25:	JE19426 posted... Transcendentia posted... Yes it was. Wrong. How is it wrong? --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884263505] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Yes it was.</quote> Wrong.</quote> How is it wrong?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 08/06/17 12:08:35 AM #26:	Transcendentia posted... How is it wrong? Because Romania was never Communist. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:884263528] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote> How is it wrong?</quote> Because Romania was never Communist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 08/06/17 12:08:40 AM #27:	JE19426 posted... Transcendentia posted... Yes it was. Wrong. Man hundreds of thousands of articles on the subject online must be entirely wrong then xd <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:884263531] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Yes it was.</quote> Wrong.</quote> Man hundreds of thousands of articles on the subject online must be entirely wrong then xd</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 08/06/17 12:09:28 AM #28:	Hexenherz posted... Man hundreds of thousands of articles on the subject online must be entirely wrong then xd Correct. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:884263561] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hexenherz posted...</cite> <quote>Man hundreds of thousands of articles on the subject online must be entirely wrong then xd</quote> Correct.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/06/17 12:09:42 AM #29:	JE19426 posted... Transcendentia posted... How is it wrong? Because Romania was never Communist. Really? So what would a communist country look like then? --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884263574] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote> How is it wrong?</quote> Because Romania was never Communist.</quote> Really? So what would a communist country look like then?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 08/06/17 12:12:23 AM #30:	Transcendentia posted... Really? So what would a communist country look like then? Communist countries can't exist. Communist societies require there be no state without a state you can't have a country. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:884263706] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Really? So what would a communist country look like then?</quote> Communist countries can't exist. Communist societies require there be no state without a state you can't have a country.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Klewer 08/06/17 12:14:56 AM #31:	i give proudclad 3 more weeks before he goes full white nationalist --- make yo dollas <cite>Klewer posted [p:884263827] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote>i give proudclad 3 more weeks before he goes full white nationalist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/06/17 12:15:25 AM #32:	JE19426 posted... Transcendentia posted... Really? So what would a communist country look like then? Communist countries can't exist. Communist societies require there be no state without a state you can't have a country. That's a meaningless distinction - so meaningless that the collective and its party went by the descriptor of "Romanian communist party" If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Sure, you can pull some theory out that says that "as a matter of principle communism can never exist" but that's only under an interpretation that takes every other characteristic of communism and disregards them if this one arbitrary and meaningless distinction is not met. --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884263858] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Really? So what would a communist country look like then?</quote> Communist countries can't exist. Communist societies require there be no state without a state you can't have a country.</quote> That's a meaningless distinction - so meaningless that the collective and its party went by the descriptor of "Romanian communist party" If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's probably a duck. Sure, you can pull some theory out that says that "as a matter of principle communism can never exist" but that's only under an interpretation that takes every other characteristic of communism and disregards them if this one arbitrary and meaningless distinction is not met.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/06/17 12:16:16 AM #33:	Klewer posted... So being against communism makes someone a nationalist? --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884263897] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Klewer posted...</cite> So being against communism makes someone a nationalist?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 08/06/17 12:19:25 AM #34:	Transcendentia posted... That's a meaningless distinction - so meaningless that the collective and its party went by the descriptor of "Romanian communist party" Yes, because wanted to lead Romania to become a Communist society. There's a reason called the country "Socialist Republic of Romania" rather than the "Communist Republic of Romania". If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's probably a duck. So you agree that Socialist Romania wasn't Communist. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:884264050] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>That's a meaningless distinction - so meaningless that the collective and its party went by the descriptor of "Romanian communist party"</quote> Yes, because wanted to lead Romania to become a Communist society. There's a reason called the country "Socialist Republic of Romania" rather than the "Communist Republic of Romania". <quote>If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's probably a duck.</quote> So you agree that Socialist Romania wasn't Communist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/06/17 12:20:05 AM #35:	JE19426 posted... Transcendentia posted... That's a meaningless distinction - so meaningless that the collective and its party went by the descriptor of "Romanian communist party" Yes, because wanted to lead Romania to become a Communist society. There's a reason called the country "Socialist Republic of Romania" rather than the "Communist Republic of Romania". If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's probably a duck. So you agree that Socialist Romania wasn't Communist. What to you is the difference between a "Communist society" and a "Communist country" --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884264080] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>That's a meaningless distinction - so meaningless that the collective and its party went by the descriptor of "Romanian communist party"</quote> Yes, because wanted to lead Romania to become a Communist society. There's a reason called the country "Socialist Republic of Romania" rather than the "Communist Republic of Romania". <quote>If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's probably a duck.</quote> So you agree that Socialist Romania wasn't Communist.</quote> What to you is the difference between a "Communist society" and a "Communist country"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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JE19426 08/06/17 12:21:47 AM #37:	Transcendentia posted... What to you is the difference between a "Communist society" and a "Communist country" One is an oxymoron and the other isn't. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:884264149] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>What to you is the difference between a "Communist society" and a "Communist country"</quote> One is an oxymoron and the other isn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/06/17 12:23:17 AM #38:	CrimsonRage posted... Transcendentia posted... CrimsonRage posted... So you hate communism because you're family is from Romania? Interesting. That certainly gives your posts a lot more context, Proudclad. I hate communism because it's the most immoral and corrosive system ever invented by mankind Not when Nazism and Fascism exists. That's true tbqh JE19426 posted... Transcendentia posted... What to you is the difference between a "Communist society" and a "Communist country" One is an oxymoron and the other isn't. What to you is a difference between the people in Romania being in a "country" as opposed to being in a "society"? How are rules applied differently across the collective in either a society or a country? --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884264218] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>CrimsonRage posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CrimsonRage posted...</cite> <quote>So you hate communism because you're family is from Romania? Interesting. That certainly gives your posts a lot more context, Proudclad.</quote> I hate communism because it's the most immoral and corrosive system ever invented by mankind</quote> Not when Nazism and Fascism exists.</quote> That's true tbqh <cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>What to you is the difference between a "Communist society" and a "Communist country"</quote> One is an oxymoron and the other isn't.</quote> What to you is a difference between the people in Romania being in a "country" as opposed to being in a "society"? How are rules applied differently across the collective in either a society or a country?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 08/06/17 12:25:02 AM #39:	Transcendentia posted... What to you is a difference between the people in Romania being in a "country" as opposed to being in a "society"? How are rules applied differently across the collective in either a society or a country? Countries have a state and government a Communist society wouldn't. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:884264317] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>What to you is a difference between the people in Romania being in a "country" as opposed to being in a "society"? How are rules applied differently across the collective in either a society or a country?</quote> Countries have a state and government a Communist society wouldn't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/06/17 12:26:28 AM #40:	JE19426 posted... Transcendentia posted... What to you is a difference between the people in Romania being in a "country" as opposed to being in a "society"? How are rules applied differently across the collective in either a society or a country? Countries have a state and government a Communist society wouldn't. So if a society has all the characteristics represented in communist theory but also has a centralized authority that upholds those characteristics, what is it? --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884264380] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>What to you is a difference between the people in Romania being in a "country" as opposed to being in a "society"? How are rules applied differently across the collective in either a society or a country?</quote> Countries have a state and government a Communist society wouldn't.</quote> So if a society has all the characteristics represented in communist theory but also has a centralized authority that upholds those characteristics, what is it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 08/06/17 12:30:16 AM #41:	Transcendentia posted... So if a society has all the characteristics represented in communist theory but also has a centralized authority that upholds those characteristics, what is it? An oxymoron. You can't have a centralized authority uphold the characteristics of a Communist society, because one of the characteristics is the absence of a central authority. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:884264549] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>So if a society has all the characteristics represented in communist theory but also has a centralized authority that upholds those characteristics, what is it?</quote> An oxymoron. You can't have a centralized authority uphold the characteristics of a Communist society, because one of the characteristics is the absence of a central authority.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/06/17 12:35:07 AM #42:	JE19426 posted... Transcendentia posted... So if a society has all the characteristics represented in communist theory but also has a centralized authority that upholds those characteristics, what is it? An oxymoron. You can't have a centralized authority uphold the characteristics of a Communist society, because one of the characteristics is the absence of a central authority. It's not an oxymoron. It's a compromise. The only way to have the real meat of what communism teaches is to have a centralized authority or collective that enforces the rules. Otherwise humans won't agree to participate in a communist society. --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884264760] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>So if a society has all the characteristics represented in communist theory but also has a centralized authority that upholds those characteristics, what is it?</quote> An oxymoron. You can't have a centralized authority uphold the characteristics of a Communist society, because one of the characteristics is the absence of a central authority.</quote> It's not an oxymoron. It's a compromise. The only way to have the real meat of what communism teaches is to have a centralized authority or collective that enforces the rules. Otherwise humans won't agree to participate in a communist society.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 08/06/17 12:40:56 AM #43:	Transcendentia posted... It's not an oxymoron. It's a compromise. The only way to have the real meat of what communism teaches is to have a centralized authority or collective that enforces the rules. The real meat of what Communism requires the absence of centralized authority. With a central authority, how can you have a classless society? Or the common ownership of goods? <cite>JE19426 posted [p:884265005] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>It's not an oxymoron. It's a compromise. The only way to have the real meat of what communism teaches is to have a centralized authority or collective that enforces the rules. </quote> The real meat of what Communism requires the absence of centralized authority. With a central authority, how can you have a classless society? Or the common ownership of goods?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/06/17 12:44:15 AM #44:	JE19426 posted... Transcendentia posted... It's not an oxymoron. It's a compromise. The only way to have the real meat of what communism teaches is to have a centralized authority or collective that enforces the rules. The real meat of what Communism requires the absence of centralized authority. With a central authority, how can you have a classless society? Or the common ownership of goods? Without a centralized authority, how can you maintain a classless society or common ownership of goods? You need it in order to ensure that people don't start their own businesses, that some people don't have more than other people, that every able bodied person works for others, that wealth is redistributed according to need rather than merit, etc. --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884265156] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>It's not an oxymoron. It's a compromise. The only way to have the real meat of what communism teaches is to have a centralized authority or collective that enforces the rules. </quote> The real meat of what Communism requires the absence of centralized authority. With a central authority, how can you have a classless society? Or the common ownership of goods?</quote> Without a centralized authority, how can you maintain a classless society or common ownership of goods? You need it in order to ensure that people don't start their own businesses, that some people don't have more than other people, that every able bodied person works for others, that wealth is redistributed according to need rather than merit, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 08/06/17 12:46:20 AM #45:	Transcendentia posted... Without a centralized authority, how can you maintain a classless society or common ownership of goods? You don't which is why they don't exist. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:884265245] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Without a centralized authority, how can you maintain a classless society or common ownership of goods?</quote> You don't which is why they don't exist.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/06/17 12:47:36 AM #46:	JE19426 posted... Transcendentia posted... Without a centralized authority, how can you maintain a classless society or common ownership of goods? You don't which is why they don't exist. They don't exist only if you absolutely insist that a system cannot exist in a meaningful sense unless every single aspect is realized. But rational and unbiased individuals aren't that extreme. On your way of defining systems, one could argue that there's never been a Christian society or that no one is actually Christian or etc. If it can't exist, why do communists insist on trying to make it exist? --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884265320] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Without a centralized authority, how can you maintain a classless society or common ownership of goods?</quote> You don't which is why they don't exist.</quote> They don't exist only if you absolutely insist that a system cannot exist in a meaningful sense unless every single aspect is realized. But rational and unbiased individuals aren't that extreme. On your way of defining systems, one could argue that there's never been a Christian society or that no one is actually Christian or etc. If it can't exist, why do communists insist on trying to make it exist?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/06/17 12:48:12 AM #47:	Also, it's worth noting that there was in fact a classless society and common ownership of goods. To the extent that pretty much everyone was very poor and everyone worked to supply the collective. --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884265354] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote>Also, it's worth noting that there was in fact a classless society and common ownership of goods. To the extent that pretty much everyone was very poor and everyone worked to supply the collective.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 08/06/17 12:57:44 AM #48:	Transcendentia posted... They don't exist only if you absolutely insist that a system cannot exist in a meaningful sense unless every single aspect is realized. There's are three key aspects of a Communist society. You need all three to have a Communist society because each needs the other to exist. If you have a central authority then that is a class. If you have classes you don't have common ownership of goods. If it can't exist, why do communists insist on trying to make it exist? Because they want to. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:884265792] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>They don't exist only if you absolutely insist that a system cannot exist in a meaningful sense unless every single aspect is realized.</quote> There's are three key aspects of a Communist society. You need all three to have a Communist society because each needs the other to exist. If you have a central authority then that is a class. If you have classes you don't have common ownership of goods. <quote>If it can't exist, why do communists insist on trying to make it exist?</quote> Because they want to.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Transcendentia 08/06/17 12:59:02 AM #49:	JE19426 posted... Transcendentia posted... They don't exist only if you absolutely insist that a system cannot exist in a meaningful sense unless every single aspect is realized. There's are three key aspects of a Communist society. You need all three to have a Communist society because each needs the other to exist. If you have a central authority then that is a class. If you have classes you don't have common ownership of goods. If it can't exist, why do communists insist on trying to make it exist? Because they want to. You do not need all three unless you're talking with someone who refuses to compromise. Centralized authority is not a class - it's a necessary force in order to prevent classes from arising. Or so they say. Why do communists want to try to make it exist if it cannot exist? --- Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj <cite>Transcendentia posted [p:884265854] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>They don't exist only if you absolutely insist that a system cannot exist in a meaningful sense unless every single aspect is realized.</quote> There's are three key aspects of a Communist society. You need all three to have a Communist society because each needs the other to exist. If you have a central authority then that is a class. If you have classes you don't have common ownership of goods. <quote>If it can't exist, why do communists insist on trying to make it exist?</quote> Because they want to.</quote> You do not need all three unless you're talking with someone who refuses to compromise. Centralized authority is not a class - it's a necessary force in order to prevent classes from arising. Or so they say. Why do communists want to try to make it exist if it cannot exist?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 08/06/17 1:16:48 AM #50:	Transcendentia posted... Centralized authority is not a class Yes it is (well it's members are). Look up the definition of class. If looks like a duck quacks like a duck then it's a duck. Why do communists want to try to make it exist if it cannot exist? That depends on the person. Some won't believe it's impossible some will believe even failing to make one is better then not trying. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:884266665] in My grandma... [t:75641923]...</cite> <quote><cite>Transcendentia posted...</cite> <quote>Centralized authority is not a class</quote> Yes it is (well it's members are). Look up the definition of class. If looks like a duck quacks like a duck then it's a duck. <quote>Why do communists want to try to make it exist if it cannot exist?</quote> That depends on the person. Some won't believe it's impossible some will believe even failing to make one is better then not trying.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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