Poll of the Day > Pentagon asks White House to give lethal weapons to Ukraine.

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WastelandCowboy
08/05/17 11:16:37 AM
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amp/pentagon-asks-white-house-give-lethal-weapons-ukraine-n789466

WASHINGTON — A recommendation to send high-tech tank-killing weapons to Ukraine to help in its fight against Russia is now at the White House, according to three U.S. officials.

The officials said a proposed aid package includes Javelin anti-tank missiles with an estimated cost of about $50 million.

"It is the right move and I see the fingerprints of Secretary of Defense Mattis all over it," said Ret. Adm. James Stavridis, former commander of NATO and an NBC News analyst.

"This is a very logical and sensible move which will increase deterrence — because it will place doubt in the minds of Russian aggressors in terms of their use of offensive weapons systems."

Russia invaded and annexed the Crimea in 2014 and continues to support pro-Russian rebels in eastern Ukraine. The proposal for providing weapons to Ukraine comes amid tension between the White House and Congress over how to respond to Russian interference in the 2016 election, and an investigation by Special Counsel Robert Mueller into possible collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. President Trump signed a bill imposing sanctions on Russia for its cyberhacking and its actions in Ukraine but complained that it harmed relations.

While the three officials said no final decision has been made on providing the weapons, they agreed that the Pentagon is in favor of the move.

A Pentagon spokesperson would not confirm the details of the package, saying only, "we haven't ruled anything out."

"I can certainly say that we have not provided defensive weapons nor have we ruled out the option to do so," said State Department spokesperson Heather Nauert during a briefing Thursday.

Still undecided, said the three officials, is whether the U.S. would provide the Javelins through an intermediary and whether U.S. service members would train the Ukrainian military on how to operate them.

The most common Russian tank is the T-90, according to Loren Thompson, chief operating officer of the Lexington Institute, a conservative think tank. The Javelin attacks tanks from above, one of the most vulnerable spots of the tank, he explained, adding that other shoulder-fired weapons like an RPG could not take out a Russian tank.

Thompson warned that providing lethal weapons to Ukraine — a country "on Russia's doorstep" — is not without peril for the U.S. "What would we think if the Russians were arming Mexico?" he asked. "This could potentially spark a wider war."

Former Acting CIA Director John McLaughlin, an NBC News analyst, said that the Russians had "earned" the U.S. aid to Ukraine, "but will see it as an escalation even though it poses no immediate danger to their forces given the disposition of the two sides and the nature of the current skirmishing."

"The U.S. should portray this as an enhancement of Ukrainian defensive capabilities, and part of the deal with Kiev should be that they not use the Javelins to provoke fighting but instead hold onto them for a contingency in which Russia actually uses armor to extend its invasion — which it has not been doing lately."


Yes. Let's poke the bear even more.
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Kyuubi4269
08/05/17 11:28:57 AM
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Stop giving people weapons.
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SkynyrdRocker
08/05/17 11:37:13 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Stop giving people weapons.
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Lightning Bolt
08/05/17 11:37:42 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Stop giving people weapons.

Weapons=freedom
duh
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Firewood18
08/05/17 12:08:26 PM
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Whatever happened to the investigation into that passenger plane that was "accidentally" shot down?
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WastelandCowboy
08/05/17 12:51:19 PM
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Firewood18 posted...
Whatever happened to the investigation into that passenger plane that was "accidentally" shot down?

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/militants-admit-to-shooting-down-mh17-reports-6031634.html

A conversation between militants thought to have shot down flight MH17 has been released by Ukrainian security services.

The transcript, published in English by the Kyiv Post, is a series of phone calls intercepted by the Security Services of Ukraine believed to be between Russian Military intelligence officers and members of terrorist groups.

One of the phone calls appears to be between two militants nicknamed Major and Greek inspecting the crash scene less than an hour after the plane crashed.

In the calls, Major and Greek can be overheard discussing that the plane "fell apart in the air" and noting that the flight was "100 percent a passenger (civilian) aircraft".

Major can be heard describing to the Greek seeing parts of the plane and "bodies".

Greek then asks Major if he can see any documents. Major replies that he has found one from an Indonesian student studying at a "university in Thompson".

In another intercepted call, the Cossack commander Nikolay Kozitsin and and an unidentified militant can be overheard discussing the many "bodies of women and children" they have found at the crash scene.

The militant is then heard asking the commander why the plane was in Ukrainian territory. To which the commanders replies: "That means they were carrying spies.

"They shouldn't be f***ing flying. There is a war going on."
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Zeus
08/06/17 3:20:26 PM
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SkynyrdRocker posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
Stop giving people weapons.


This, it's a stupid idea only making shit worse. That's overlooking that the US has turned Ukraine into a proxy war with Russia and that we're backing people who believe in ethnic cleansing. It's like backing the Hutu instead of the Tutsi.
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