Board 8 > So it turns out Nick Robinson from Polygon is a piece of shit.

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MenuWars 08/05/17 3:10:23 PM #51:	FWIW if the dudes just a sleazy chancer, and not using his position to try and solicit nudes, then he's just a sleazy chancer and it's a shame we're in a world where these women couldn't just tell him to fuck off and they're not interested. Not the kind of person I'd want to hold up as extolling feminist values if he simply sees them as sex objects, but not something you should lose your job over if it's unrelated. I'm assuming, though that he was in fact implying he could further or impede careers based on it, or just straight up using his ties to get into women in the industries dms which is just as shitty. --- I'm bad at Maffs. BEDMAS Bioshock, Earthworm Jim, Diablo 2, Mass Effect 2, Ark: Survival Evolved, Super Meat Boy <cite>MenuWars posted [p:884236966] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote>FWIW if the dudes just a sleazy chancer, and not using his position to try and solicit nudes, then he's just a sleazy chancer and it's a shame we're in a world where these women couldn't just tell him to fuck off and they're not interested. Not the kind of person I'd want to hold up as extolling feminist values if he simply sees them as sex objects, but not something you should lose your job over if it's unrelated. I'm assuming, though that he was in fact implying he could further or impede careers based on it, or just straight up using his ties to get into women in the industries dms which is just as shitty.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/05/17 3:10:41 PM #52:	I'm gonna take another unrelated past occurrence as an example. 2007: Jeff Gerstmann gets fired from GameSpot. Soon after there is an exodus of other editors in solidarity. General consensus from the community was that he was fired for giving a middling review to a Kane & Lynch game which at the time had bought major ad space on the site. For like 5+ years, no one was allowed to talk directly about it or provide evidence that it happened. Until Giant Bomb was purchased by CBS and this the NDAs became moot, it was just hearsay. I never heard anyone, anywhere, defend the GameSpot executive based on the idea that "there's no proof." --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884236977] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote>I'm gonna take another unrelated past occurrence as an example. 2007: Jeff Gerstmann gets fired from GameSpot. Soon after there is an exodus of other editors in solidarity. General consensus from the community was that he was fired for giving a middling review to a Kane & Lynch game which at the time had bought major ad space on the site. For like 5+ years, no one was allowed to talk directly about it or provide evidence that it happened. Until Giant Bomb was purchased by CBS and this the NDAs became moot, it was just hearsay. I never heard anyone, anywhere, defend the GameSpot executive based on the idea that "there's no proof."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 08/05/17 3:10:55 PM #53:	LapisLazuli posted... Jakyl25 posted... WazzupGenius00 posted... Why is it difficult to believe that these various people are sharing their personal experiences and/or evidence privately with each other and with those close to him in order to verify the truth? Clearly it's easier for some to believe in the possibility of a wide swath of people deciding all at once on a conspiracy to get Nick Robinson fired. Just like Bill Cosby! We know exactly what Bill Cosby was accused of, and by how many people! This isn't the same thing, and you know it. --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:884236990] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WazzupGenius00 posted...</cite> <quote>Why is it difficult to believe that these various people are sharing their personal experiences and/or evidence privately with each other and with those close to him in order to verify the truth?</quote> Clearly it's easier for some to believe in the possibility of a wide swath of people deciding all at once on a conspiracy to get Nick Robinson fired.</quote> Just like Bill Cosby!</quote> We know exactly what Bill Cosby was accused of, and by how many people! This isn't the same thing, and you know it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 08/05/17 3:11:46 PM #54:	Jakyl25 posted... "Innocent until proven guilty" inherently makes the assumption that the accusers are lying. ...or that the accuser and the accused have a misunderstanding, that certain key details are wrong, that the target is the wrong person, etc. lying is just one possibility. the only inherent assumption made is that there was no wrongdoing. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:884237042] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote> "Innocent until proven guilty" inherently makes the assumption that the accusers are lying.</quote> ...or that the accuser and the accused have a misunderstanding, that certain key details are wrong, that the target is the wrong person, etc. lying is just one possibility. the only inherent assumption made is that there was no wrongdoing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/05/17 3:12:50 PM #55:	Wanglicious posted... which is why my position is that he may be scum and he may not be scum. i don't know because i don't know the facts, so i'll withhold opinion about him. i don't see how there can be any other reasonable response either. Where do you stand on Bill Cosby? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884237105] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>which is why my position is that he may be scum and he may not be scum. i don't know because i don't know the facts, so i'll withhold opinion about him. i don't see how there can be any other reasonable response either.</quote> Where do you stand on Bill Cosby?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MenuWars 08/05/17 3:16:43 PM #56:	The problem with the accusation is people that do these sorts of things are rightly vilified by society, for their predatory behaviour, and so the backlash is often life ruining and deservedly so. However people are also unscrupulous assholes that lie about things like this, so because of the attached weight of the crime I think people are extra sceptical especially when it comes to people whose output they enjoy. Which creates an awkward dichotomy of people probing and being more sceptical than they would when other shitty stories occur. It's weird, and one of those things I don't think we'll ever have a proper answer for. Which is pretty gross. But then there's situations like this where the floodgates seem to open and you just have to go, somethings definitely (not) right here. Fuck that dude. --- I'm bad at Maffs. BEDMAS Bioshock, Earthworm Jim, Diablo 2, Mass Effect 2, Ark: Survival Evolved, Super Meat Boy <cite>MenuWars posted [p:884237310] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote>The problem with the accusation is people that do these sorts of things are rightly vilified by society, for their predatory behaviour, and so the backlash is often life ruining and deservedly so. However people are also unscrupulous assholes that lie about things like this, so because of the attached weight of the crime I think people are extra sceptical especially when it comes to people whose output they enjoy. Which creates an awkward dichotomy of people probing and being more sceptical than they would when other shitty stories occur. It's weird, and one of those things I don't think we'll ever have a proper answer for. Which is pretty gross. But then there's situations like this where the floodgates seem to open and you just have to go, somethings definitely (not) right here. Fuck that dude.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 08/05/17 3:16:58 PM #57:	What. This is basically exactly like Bill Cosby, just on a smaller scale. What kind of revisionist history you trying to pull? --- **** Netflix <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:884237321] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote>What. This is basically exactly like Bill Cosby, just on a smaller scale. What kind of revisionist history you trying to pull?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/05/17 3:18:33 PM #58:	Wanglicious posted... but what is the accusation he's heard? the specific one. not that he's a bit of a creep or that he at one point went something like 'send nudes plz' or something. but what's the accusation, to whom, and how damning is it? was Nick in a relationship with that person? Why does it matter? I honestly don't get the hesitation to believe so many people, many of whom have something to lose by disowning Nick, that indicate they know more specifics than they are letting on and in turn condemning Nick and the industry culture which enabled him. Is it really just a matter of you need them to specifically say "Yes I have seen chat logs but I am not disclosing details?" Like, where specifically is the line for you? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884237406] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>but what is the accusation he's heard? the specific one. not that he's a bit of a creep or that he at one point went something like 'send nudes plz' or something. but what's the accusation, to whom, and how damning is it? was Nick in a relationship with that person? </quote> Why does it matter? I honestly don't get the hesitation to believe so many people, many of whom have something to lose by disowning Nick, that indicate they know more specifics than they are letting on and in turn condemning Nick and the industry culture which enabled him. Is it really just a matter of you need them to specifically say "Yes I have seen chat logs but I am not disclosing details?" Like, where specifically is the line for you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MenuWars 08/05/17 3:19:29 PM #59:	LapisLazuli posted... What. This is basically exactly like Bill Cosby, just on a smaller scale. What kind of revisionist history you trying to pull? Nah this is different, Bill Cosby was directly accused and blatantly of drugging and raping people. This is a lot more vague and low key. --- I'm bad at Maffs. BEDMAS Bioshock, Earthworm Jim, Diablo 2, Mass Effect 2, Ark: Survival Evolved, Super Meat Boy <cite>MenuWars posted [p:884237443] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>What. This is basically exactly like Bill Cosby, just on a smaller scale. What kind of revisionist history you trying to pull?</quote> Nah this is different, Bill Cosby was directly accused and blatantly of drugging and raping people. This is a lot more vague and low key.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 08/05/17 3:20:04 PM #60:	Jakyl25 posted... Why does it matter? I honestly don't get the hesitation to believe so many people, many of whom have something to lose by disowning Nick, that indicate they know more specifics than they are letting on and in turn condemning Nick and the industry culture which enabled him. You're fully aware of the person you're talking to and his past affiliations on this subject. --- **** Netflix <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:884237476] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote>Why does it matter? I honestly don't get the hesitation to believe so many people, many of whom have something to lose by disowning Nick, that indicate they know more specifics than they are letting on and in turn condemning Nick and the industry culture which enabled him.</quote> You're fully aware of the person you're talking to and his past affiliations on this subject.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 08/05/17 3:21:23 PM #61:	MenuWars posted... LapisLazuli posted... What. This is basically exactly like Bill Cosby, just on a smaller scale. What kind of revisionist history you trying to pull? Nah this is different, Bill Cosby was directly accused and blatantly of drugging and raping people. This is a lot more vague and low key. Yeah, smaller scale, that's exactly what I said. The nuances are the same, though. --- **** Netflix <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:884237549] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>MenuWars posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>What. This is basically exactly like Bill Cosby, just on a smaller scale. What kind of revisionist history you trying to pull?</quote> Nah this is different, Bill Cosby was directly accused and blatantly of drugging and raping people. This is a lot more vague and low key.</quote> Yeah, smaller scale, that's exactly what I said. The nuances are the same, though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/05/17 3:24:03 PM #62:	MenuWars posted... The problem with the accusation is people that do these sorts of things are rightly vilified by society, for their predatory behaviour, and so the backlash is often life ruining and deservedly so. Is it really life ruining? There are cases like Cosby's where it is, and plenty of other cases where the scummy dudes (and ladies!) move on with their lives like nothing happened. Recent example: Bill O'Reilly --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884237688] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>MenuWars posted...</cite> <quote>The problem with the accusation is people that do these sorts of things are rightly vilified by society, for their predatory behaviour, and so the backlash is often life ruining and deservedly so.</quote> Is it really life ruining? There are cases like Cosby's where it is, and plenty of other cases where the scummy dudes (and ladies!) move on with their lives like nothing happened. Recent example: Bill O'Reilly</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MenuWars 08/05/17 3:24:06 PM #63:	LapisLazuli posted... MenuWars posted... LapisLazuli posted... What. This is basically exactly like Bill Cosby, just on a smaller scale. What kind of revisionist history you trying to pull? Nah this is different, Bill Cosby was directly accused and blatantly of drugging and raping people. This is a lot more vague and low key. Yeah, smaller scale, that's exactly what I said. The nuances are the same, though. Not really, after reading a bit of it I was left with only the impression that he'd been a predatory fucker, most of it could easily have been "he keeps asking women he knows for nudes", which as I said earlier, is still sleazy and not my kind of person but you shouldn't have your life ruined over it. It's only the backlash from his friends that makes the darker assumptions have any weight. --- I'm bad at Maffs. BEDMAS Bioshock, Earthworm Jim, Diablo 2, Mass Effect 2, Ark: Survival Evolved, Super Meat Boy <cite>MenuWars posted [p:884237689] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MenuWars posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>What. This is basically exactly like Bill Cosby, just on a smaller scale. What kind of revisionist history you trying to pull?</quote> Nah this is different, Bill Cosby was directly accused and blatantly of drugging and raping people. This is a lot more vague and low key.</quote> Yeah, smaller scale, that's exactly what I said. The nuances are the same, though.</quote> Not really, after reading a bit of it I was left with only the impression that he'd been a predatory fucker, most of it could easily have been "he keeps asking women he knows for nudes", which as I said earlier, is still sleazy and not my kind of person but you shouldn't have your life ruined over it. It's only the backlash from his friends that makes the darker assumptions have any weight.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MenuWars 08/05/17 3:25:10 PM #64:	Jakyl25 posted... MenuWars posted... The problem with the accusation is people that do these sorts of things are rightly vilified by society, for their predatory behaviour, and so the backlash is often life ruining and deservedly so. Is it really life ruining? There are cases like Cosby's where it is, and plenty of other cases where the scummy dudes (and ladies!) move on with their lives like nothing happened. Recent example: Bill O'Reilly I didn't follow this much because I can't stand that guy, but didn't he lose his job and livelihood and basically got forced to disappear up his own arse over it? --- I'm bad at Maffs. BEDMAS Bioshock, Earthworm Jim, Diablo 2, Mass Effect 2, Ark: Survival Evolved, Super Meat Boy <cite>MenuWars posted [p:884237747] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MenuWars posted...</cite> <quote>The problem with the accusation is people that do these sorts of things are rightly vilified by society, for their predatory behaviour, and so the backlash is often life ruining and deservedly so.</quote> Is it really life ruining? There are cases like Cosby's where it is, and plenty of other cases where the scummy dudes (and ladies!) move on with their lives like nothing happened. Recent example: Bill O'Reilly</quote> I didn't follow this much because I can't stand that guy, but didn't he lose his job and livelihood and basically got forced to disappear up his own arse over it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tabiicat42 08/05/17 3:25:22 PM #65:	More people in the gaming community are trashy and gross more news at 11 --- Posted using GameFlux Get it now for Android from Google Play! <cite>tabiicat42 posted [p:884237757] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote>More people in the gaming community are trashy and gross more news at 11</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/05/17 3:26:38 PM #66:	MenuWars posted... Jakyl25 posted... MenuWars posted... The problem with the accusation is people that do these sorts of things are rightly vilified by society, for their predatory behaviour, and so the backlash is often life ruining and deservedly so. Is it really life ruining? There are cases like Cosby's where it is, and plenty of other cases where the scummy dudes (and ladies!) move on with their lives like nothing happened. Recent example: Bill O'Reilly I didn't follow this much because I can't stand that guy, but didn't he lose his job and livelihood and basically got forced to disappear up his own arse over it? He lost his specific job on Fox News, yes, but now his radio show/podcast are going strong and he's still publishing books and raking it in playing the victim. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884237825] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>MenuWars posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MenuWars posted...</cite> <quote>The problem with the accusation is people that do these sorts of things are rightly vilified by society, for their predatory behaviour, and so the backlash is often life ruining and deservedly so.</quote> Is it really life ruining? There are cases like Cosby's where it is, and plenty of other cases where the scummy dudes (and ladies!) move on with their lives like nothing happened. Recent example: Bill O'Reilly</quote> I didn't follow this much because I can't stand that guy, but didn't he lose his job and livelihood and basically got forced to disappear up his own arse over it?</quote> He lost his specific job on Fox News, yes, but now his radio show/podcast are going strong and he's still publishing books and raking it in playing the victim.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 08/05/17 3:28:37 PM #67:	MenuWars posted... but not something you should lose your job over if it's unrelated. eh, at polygon? he should. he could potentially work at other places depending on who he asked, what the context of that asking was, etc. but pretty sure he's done at polygon and should be considering it'd violate the expectations of what you'd expect one of its writers to do. Jakyl25 posted... 2007: Jeff Gerstmann gets fired from GameSpot. Soon after there is an exodus of other editors in solidarity. you're greatly oversimplifying the aftermath in all this. though more importantly, you're looking back at something and comparing it to a thing that isn't even with 48 hours from the initial accusation. Jakyl25 posted... Where do you stand on Bill Cosby? Cosby had direct accusers specifying direct actions taken against them and did so under oath. early on it was shown that there had been a long history spanning 30+ years of him being charged or accused but nothing ever happened. now, some people who accused him of stuff just dropped the cases on their own. i don't think all of them are real, no, i think some outright were lying to make a buck, that's been known to happen. but some might be, with the greatest evidence being how Cosby and his lawyers have taken specific actions to suppress the speech of these women, talk about what happened, and their ability to go to court. here in this case, we're not even 48 hours removed from accusations made on twitter with no supporting evidence, no specific claims, and no direct people known. hell of a comparison to make. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:884237922] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>MenuWars posted...</cite> <quote>but not something you should lose your job over if it's unrelated.</quote> eh, at polygon? he should. he could potentially work at other places depending on who he asked, what the context of that asking was, etc. but pretty sure he's done at polygon and should be considering it'd violate the expectations of what you'd expect one of its writers to do. <cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote> 2007: Jeff Gerstmann gets fired from GameSpot. Soon after there is an exodus of other editors in solidarity.</quote> you're greatly oversimplifying the aftermath in all this. though more importantly, you're looking back at something and comparing it to a thing that isn't even with 48 hours from the initial accusation. <cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote> Where do you stand on Bill Cosby?</quote> Cosby had direct accusers specifying direct actions taken against them and did so under oath. early on it was shown that there had been a long history spanning 30+ years of him being charged or accused but nothing ever happened. now, some people who accused him of stuff just dropped the cases on their own. i don't think all of them are real, no, i think some outright were lying to make a buck, that's been known to happen. but some might be, with the greatest evidence being how Cosby and his lawyers have taken specific actions to suppress the speech of these women, talk about what happened, and their ability to go to court. here in this case, we're not even 48 hours removed from accusations made on twitter with no supporting evidence, no specific claims, and no direct people known. hell of a comparison to make.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 08/05/17 3:28:59 PM #68:	tabiicat42 posted... More people in the gaming community are trashy and gross more news at 11 Dammit you stole my joke :( --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:884237937] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>tabiicat42 posted...</cite> <quote>More people in the gaming community are trashy and gross more news at 11</quote> Dammit you stole my joke :(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/05/17 3:29:52 PM #69:	And let me clarify: not playing the victim like he maintains his innocence; playing the victim as though PC culture is to blame for his firing and those broads are only here for me to fondle anyway. There are many, many people who see Mad Men as an IDEAL corporate culture, not the hellscape it's meant to be. Yeah I want to be Don Draper! --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884237978] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote>And let me clarify: not playing the victim like he maintains his innocence; playing the victim as though PC culture is to blame for his firing and those broads are only here for me to fondle anyway. There are many, many people who see Mad Men as an IDEAL corporate culture, not the hellscape it's meant to be. Yeah I want to be Don Draper!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tabiicat42 08/05/17 3:30:11 PM #70:	scarletspeed7 posted... tabiicat42 posted... More people in the gaming community are trashy and gross more news at 11 Dammit you stole my joke :( We can share --- Posted using GameFlux <cite>tabiicat42 posted [p:884238000] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tabiicat42 posted...</cite> <quote>More people in the gaming community are trashy and gross more news at 11</quote> Dammit you stole my joke :(</quote> We can share</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MenuWars 08/05/17 3:30:14 PM #71:	Jakyl25 posted... MenuWars posted... Jakyl25 posted... MenuWars posted... The problem with the accusation is people that do these sorts of things are rightly vilified by society, for their predatory behaviour, and so the backlash is often life ruining and deservedly so. Is it really life ruining? There are cases like Cosby's where it is, and plenty of other cases where the scummy dudes (and ladies!) move on with their lives like nothing happened. Recent example: Bill O'Reilly I didn't follow this much because I can't stand that guy, but didn't he lose his job and livelihood and basically got forced to disappear up his own arse over it? He lost his specific job on Fox News, yes, but now his radio show/podcast are going strong and he's still publishing books and raking it in playing the victim. ew, but that's not generally what happens and his crimes to my knowledge were on a lesser scale. Basically he was a douchebag, which, was pretty evident to anyone with a brain anyway. I also know it's hard for victims to come forward in cases like these but they REALLY fucking need to do so nowadays, and before 20 years have past and many more victims have been accrued. I wish I had a solution to make this process easier but I don't. --- I'm bad at Maffs. BEDMAS Bioshock, Earthworm Jim, Diablo 2, Mass Effect 2, Ark: Survival Evolved, Super Meat Boy <cite>MenuWars posted [p:884238006] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MenuWars posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MenuWars posted...</cite> <quote>The problem with the accusation is people that do these sorts of things are rightly vilified by society, for their predatory behaviour, and so the backlash is often life ruining and deservedly so.</quote> Is it really life ruining? There are cases like Cosby's where it is, and plenty of other cases where the scummy dudes (and ladies!) move on with their lives like nothing happened. Recent example: Bill O'Reilly</quote> I didn't follow this much because I can't stand that guy, but didn't he lose his job and livelihood and basically got forced to disappear up his own arse over it?</quote> He lost his specific job on Fox News, yes, but now his radio show/podcast are going strong and he's still publishing books and raking it in playing the victim.</quote> ew, but that's not generally what happens and his crimes to my knowledge were on a lesser scale. Basically he was a douchebag, which, was pretty evident to anyone with a brain anyway. I also know it's hard for victims to come forward in cases like these but they REALLY fucking need to do so nowadays, and before 20 years have past and many more victims have been accrued. I wish I had a solution to make this process easier but I don't.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ClyTheCool 08/05/17 3:33:29 PM #72:	But what about dota 2 tho --- Cly at Work So more power to North Korea for this one. Good show. - MWC <cite>ClyTheCool posted [p:884238173] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote>But what about dota 2 tho</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 08/05/17 3:33:51 PM #73:	tabiicat42 posted... scarletspeed7 posted... tabiicat42 posted... More people in the gaming community are trashy and gross more news at 11 Dammit you stole my joke :( We can share Hooray! --- "Reading would be your friend." ~Dave Meltzer <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:884238195] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>tabiicat42 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>tabiicat42 posted...</cite> <quote>More people in the gaming community are trashy and gross more news at 11</quote> Dammit you stole my joke :(</quote> We can share</quote> Hooray!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MenuWars 08/05/17 3:34:42 PM #74:	ClyTheCool posted... But what about dota 2 tho Yeah I read parts of this too and have no idea sorry. --- I'm bad at Maffs. BEDMAS Bioshock, Earthworm Jim, Diablo 2, Mass Effect 2, Ark: Survival Evolved, Super Meat Boy <cite>MenuWars posted [p:884238244] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>ClyTheCool posted...</cite> <quote>But what about dota 2 tho</quote> Yeah I read parts of this too and have no idea sorry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00 08/05/17 3:36:49 PM #75:	https://mobile.twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665 --- http://i.imgur.com/k0v0z3q.gif <cite>WazzupGenius00 posted [p:884238335] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote>https://mobile.twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/05/17 3:37:48 PM #76:	MenuWars posted... I also know it's hard for victims to come forward in cases like these but they REALLY f*ing need to do so nowadays, and before 20 years have past and many more victims have been accrued. I wish I had a solution to make this process easier but I don't. The solution for now is what's happening Victims are taking their allegations and evidence to the proper channels while still maintaining their anonymity so as to be shielded from the backlash, and friends of those people are speaking out not about specifics but about the culture that enables it to happen. Ultimately it doesn't really matter what any of us believe, just that the proper actions are taken and that there are good people in power to take action accordingly instead of closing ranks --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884238382] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>MenuWars posted...</cite> <quote>I also know it's hard for victims to come forward in cases like these but they REALLY f*ing need to do so nowadays, and before 20 years have past and many more victims have been accrued. I wish I had a solution to make this process easier but I don't.</quote> The solution for now is what's happening Victims are taking their allegations and evidence to the proper channels while still maintaining their anonymity so as to be shielded from the backlash, and friends of those people are speaking out not about specifics but about the culture that enables it to happen. Ultimately it doesn't really matter what any of us believe, just that the proper actions are taken and that there are good people in power to take action accordingly instead of closing ranks</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MenuWars 08/05/17 3:40:30 PM #77:	WazzupGenius00 posted... https://mobile.twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665 See she says stop then says joke and goes on about teasing, and then comes out afterwards and says it wasn't a joke? Why not just stop at STOP? --- I'm bad at Maffs. BEDMAS Bioshock, Earthworm Jim, Diablo 2, Mass Effect 2, Ark: Survival Evolved, Super Meat Boy <cite>MenuWars posted [p:884238522] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>WazzupGenius00 posted...</cite> <quote>https://mobile.twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665</quote> See she says stop then says joke and goes on about teasing, and then comes out afterwards and says it wasn't a joke? Why not just stop at STOP?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WazzupGenius00 08/05/17 3:41:46 PM #78:	Read her other posts about it where she explains this --- http://i.imgur.com/k0v0z3q.gif <cite>WazzupGenius00 posted [p:884238582] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote>Read her other posts about it where she explains this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 08/05/17 3:42:13 PM #79:	WazzupGenius00 posted... https://mobile.twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665 All the replies of "I'm sorry this happened to you". ...but what happened? They're joking around, and she literally says "I tease you more than you tease me". --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:884238603] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>WazzupGenius00 posted...</cite> <quote>https://mobile.twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665</quote> All the replies of "I'm sorry this happened to you". ...but what happened? They're joking around, and she literally says "I tease you more than you tease me".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MenuWars 08/05/17 3:43:40 PM #80:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... WazzupGenius00 posted... https://mobile.twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665 All the replies of "I'm sorry this happened to you". ...but what happened? They're joking around, and she literally says "I tease you more than you tease me". Yeah this was my take on it, that actually made me more sceptical than I was previously, please don't post weird bullshit that proves nothing. --- I'm bad at Maffs. BEDMAS Bioshock, Earthworm Jim, Diablo 2, Mass Effect 2, Ark: Survival Evolved, Super Meat Boy <cite>MenuWars posted [p:884238671] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WazzupGenius00 posted...</cite> <quote>https://mobile.twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665</quote> All the replies of "I'm sorry this happened to you". ...but what happened? They're joking around, and she literally says "I tease you more than you tease me".</quote> Yeah this was my take on it, that actually made me more sceptical than I was previously, please don't post weird bullshit that proves nothing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HotDogButts 08/05/17 3:46:38 PM #81:	WazzupGenius00 posted... https://mobile.twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665 lmfao completely ridiculous regardless of whether this is all true or not --- Burns then confronted him about the fart and Willie became agitated, telling her to shut up <cite>HotDogButts posted [p:884238821] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>WazzupGenius00 posted...</cite> <quote>https://mobile.twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665</quote> lmfao completely ridiculous regardless of whether this is all true or not</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 08/05/17 3:53:25 PM #82:	Jakyl25 posted... Why does it matter? I honestly don't get the hesitation to believe so many people, many of whom have something to lose by disowning Nick, that indicate they know more specifics than they are letting on and in turn condemning Nick and the industry culture which enabled him. Is it really just a matter of you need them to specifically say "Yes I have seen chat logs but I am not disclosing details?" Like, where specifically is the line for you? there's two specific questions i gave you - "what's the accusation, to whom, and how damning is it? was Nick in a relationship with that person?" are you asking why it matters that people claiming to be "in the know" are aware of all that as they give their vague comments on twitter? i'm legit not sure that's an actual question because it's a really surprising one for you to ask. like say he did inappropriately ask for nudes of somebody who's a friend with that person. okay, bad thing to do. but "not traded nudes for industry benefits" bad, which is an entirely different accusation to make. say it's in the context of the two forming a sexual relationship. a clear sign that he shouldn't be working as a journo, yes, but not "scum of the earth" bad. there's varying degrees of what he could've done and all of those details matter, especially if you're going to claim to be an insider who knows what you're talking about. by leaving a vague statement all you do is fuel the worst conspiracy theories. if all you have is a one sided account of the story, then you aren't fully aware of what's going on or what actually happened, it's a single biased account. so i'm not sure what you're asking "why does it matter" to. long story short: you want to use this person as an authority on the subject without knowing if they actually are an authority on the subject. that does not make sense and yes, that matters. you mention that i'm hesitant to believe "so many people." except the people to believe have not spoken up, it's just been third party accounts. i don't know if we're talking about one girl or three. i don't even know if we're just talking about girls. there are no details on how widespread this was so there's nothing to work with there. if you want me to believe something, give me evidence of it, not empty accusations. why is that a difficult standard for you to understand? as for the question at the end, any input on these questions would be a starting point before i can believe a third party: - have they seen/heard both sides of the story, unedited? - what accusations have weight, which ones don't, to how many people, in what context? and honestly? i don't expect them his friends to have either one yet. that's what the investigation is for. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:884239152] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote> Why does it matter? I honestly don't get the hesitation to believe so many people, many of whom have something to lose by disowning Nick, that indicate they know more specifics than they are letting on and in turn condemning Nick and the industry culture which enabled him. Is it really just a matter of you need them to specifically say "Yes I have seen chat logs but I am not disclosing details?" Like, where specifically is the line for you?</quote> there's two specific questions i gave you - "what's the accusation, to whom, and how damning is it? was Nick in a relationship with that person?" are you asking why it matters that people claiming to be "in the know" are aware of all that as they give their vague comments on twitter? i'm legit not sure that's an actual question because it's a really surprising one for you to ask. like say he did inappropriately ask for nudes of somebody who's a friend with that person. okay, bad thing to do. but "not traded nudes for industry benefits" bad, which is an entirely different accusation to make. say it's in the context of the two forming a sexual relationship. a clear sign that he shouldn't be working as a journo, yes, but not "scum of the earth" bad. there's varying degrees of what he could've done and all of those details matter, especially if you're going to claim to be an insider who knows what you're talking about. by leaving a vague statement all you do is fuel the worst conspiracy theories. if all you have is a one sided account of the story, then you aren't fully aware of what's going on or what actually happened, it's a single biased account. so i'm not sure what you're asking "why does it matter" to. long story short: you want to use this person as an authority on the subject without knowing if they actually are an authority on the subject. that does not make sense and yes, that matters. you mention that i'm hesitant to believe "so many people." except the people to believe have not spoken up, it's just been third party accounts. i don't know if we're talking about one girl or three. i don't even know if we're just talking about girls. there are no details on how widespread this was so there's nothing to work with there. if you want me to believe something, give me evidence of it, not empty accusations. why is that a difficult standard for you to understand? as for the question at the end, any input on these questions would be a starting point before i can believe a third party: - have they seen/heard both sides of the story, unedited? - what accusations have weight, which ones don't, to how many people, in what context? and honestly? i don't expect them his friends to have either one yet. that's what the investigation is for.</quote> ... 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Jakyl25 08/05/17 3:58:06 PM #83:	Wanglicious posted... if you want me to believe something, give me evidence of it, not empty accusations. why is that a difficult standard for you to understand? People who know him personally for many years immediately distancing themselves from him, with zero hesitation or hedging, in ways which would hurt their careers if they were wrong, is evidence enough for me. Clearly you're different. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884239383] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>Wanglicious posted...</cite> <quote>if you want me to believe something, give me evidence of it, not empty accusations. why is that a difficult standard for you to understand? </quote> People who know him personally for many years immediately distancing themselves from him, with zero hesitation or hedging, in ways which would hurt their careers if they were wrong, is evidence enough for me. Clearly you're different.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/05/17 4:02:08 PM #84:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... WazzupGenius00 posted... https://mobile.twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665 All the replies of "I'm sorry this happened to you". ...but what happened? They're joking around, and she literally says "I tease you more than you tease me". He's super creepy here with someone who was just a fan, and then it led to him propositioning her for oral sex. That's all the point she's making. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884239586] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WazzupGenius00 posted...</cite> <quote>https://mobile.twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665</quote> All the replies of "I'm sorry this happened to you". ...but what happened? They're joking around, and she literally says "I tease you more than you tease me".</quote> He's super creepy here with someone who was just a fan, and then it led to him propositioning her for oral sex. That's all the point she's making.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MenuWars 08/05/17 4:04:50 PM #85:	Jakyl25 posted... ChaosTonyV4 posted... WazzupGenius00 posted... https://mobile.twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665 All the replies of "I'm sorry this happened to you". ...but what happened? They're joking around, and she literally says "I tease you more than you tease me". He's super creepy here with someone who was just a fan, and then it led to him propositioning her for oral sex. That's all the point she's making. If she's been teasing him, then that's not even creepy, creepy to an outsider looking in yes, but everyone has their own banter and flirting is generally a pretty personal thing that makes everyone look stupid when viewed through a lens. But I don't see why that, is some sort of horrendous activity? --- I'm bad at Maffs. BEDMAS Bioshock, Earthworm Jim, Diablo 2, Mass Effect 2, Ark: Survival Evolved, Super Meat Boy <cite>MenuWars posted [p:884239725] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WazzupGenius00 posted...</cite> <quote>https://mobile.twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665</quote> All the replies of "I'm sorry this happened to you". ...but what happened? They're joking around, and she literally says "I tease you more than you tease me".</quote> He's super creepy here with someone who was just a fan, and then it led to him propositioning her for oral sex. That's all the point she's making.</quote> If she's been teasing him, then that's not even creepy, creepy to an outsider looking in yes, but everyone has their own banter and flirting is generally a pretty personal thing that makes everyone look stupid when viewed through a lens. But I don't see why that, is some sort of horrendous activity?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 08/05/17 4:05:35 PM #86:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... WazzupGenius00 posted... https://mobile.twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665 All the replies of "I'm sorry this happened to you". ...but what happened? They're joking around, and she literally says "I tease you more than you tease me". the replies are a bit much but it does at least it says that he was sliding into women's DMs and flirting a bit, which depending on context, could be creepy (and is definitely cringeworthy). it's not inherently "bad" but depending on what else he's done or how often he's done it, could be (e.g., the accusation of him doing this a lot or going further). but you already accept the claims of him being a creep in DMs and asking for nudes so this would be par for the course. other things she's said is that she was 18, he was 26, she was starstruck with it a bit, and she wasn't a very sexual person then. more details than we needed honestly but hey. it's the first thing we've got that could somewhat be used as evidence of his behavior. though again, i'd expect the investigation to really get into how scummy he was. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:884239761] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>WazzupGenius00 posted...</cite> <quote>https://mobile.twitter.com/souIspear/status/893855282245361665</quote> All the replies of "I'm sorry this happened to you". ...but what happened? They're joking around, and she literally says "I tease you more than you tease me".</quote> the replies are a bit much but it does at least it says that he was sliding into women's DMs and flirting a bit, which depending on context, could be creepy (and is definitely cringeworthy). it's not inherently "bad" but depending on what else he's done or how often he's done it, could be (e.g., the accusation of him doing this a lot or going further). but you already accept the claims of him being a creep in DMs and asking for nudes so this would be par for the course. other things she's said is that she was 18, he was 26, she was starstruck with it a bit, and she wasn't a very sexual person then. more details than we needed honestly but hey. it's the first thing we've got that could somewhat be used as evidence of his behavior. though again, i'd expect the investigation to really get into how scummy he was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/05/17 4:07:41 PM #87:	MenuWars posted... If she's been teasing him, then that's not even creepy, creepy to an outsider looking in yes, but everyone has their own banter and flirting is generally a pretty personal thing that makes everyone look stupid when viewed through a lens. But I don't see why that, is some sort of horrendous activity? It's abusing a power dynamic over a fan, for one thing. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884239864] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>MenuWars posted...</cite> <quote>If she's been teasing him, then that's not even creepy, creepy to an outsider looking in yes, but everyone has their own banter and flirting is generally a pretty personal thing that makes everyone look stupid when viewed through a lens. But I don't see why that, is some sort of horrendous activity? </quote> It's abusing a power dynamic over a fan, for one thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MenuWars 08/05/17 4:08:28 PM #88:	Jakyl25 posted... MenuWars posted... If she's been teasing him, then that's not even creepy, creepy to an outsider looking in yes, but everyone has their own banter and flirting is generally a pretty personal thing that makes everyone look stupid when viewed through a lens. But I don't see why that, is some sort of horrendous activity? It's abusing a power dynamic over a fan, for one thing. How? Because he even dared flirt with her? --- I'm bad at Maffs. BEDMAS Bioshock, Earthworm Jim, Diablo 2, Mass Effect 2, Ark: Survival Evolved, Super Meat Boy <cite>MenuWars posted [p:884239901] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MenuWars posted...</cite> <quote>If she's been teasing him, then that's not even creepy, creepy to an outsider looking in yes, but everyone has their own banter and flirting is generally a pretty personal thing that makes everyone look stupid when viewed through a lens. But I don't see why that, is some sort of horrendous activity? </quote> It's abusing a power dynamic over a fan, for one thing.</quote> How? Because he even dared flirt with her?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HotDogButts 08/05/17 4:11:12 PM #89:	If thats your standard of horrendous activity I have terrible new for you jakyll. Every single person in the world with an iota of popularity has acted in that way. The only thing bad about those twitter pics is how fucking terrible he is at flirting. --- Burns then confronted him about the fart and Willie became agitated, telling her to shut up <cite>HotDogButts posted [p:884240015] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote>If thats your standard of horrendous activity I have terrible new for you jakyll. Every single person in the world with an iota of popularity has acted in that way. The only thing bad about those twitter pics is how fucking terrible he is at flirting.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MenuWars 08/05/17 4:11:48 PM #90:	HotDogButts posted... If thats your standard of horrendous activity I have terrible new for you jakyll. Every single person in the world with an iota of popularity has acted in that way. The only thing bad about those twitter pics is how fucking terrible he is at flirting. This. --- I'm bad at Maffs. BEDMAS Bioshock, Earthworm Jim, Diablo 2, Mass Effect 2, Ark: Survival Evolved, Super Meat Boy <cite>MenuWars posted [p:884240049] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>HotDogButts posted...</cite> <quote>If thats your standard of horrendous activity I have terrible new for you jakyll. Every single person in the world with an iota of popularity has acted in that way. The only thing bad about those twitter pics is how fucking terrible he is at flirting.</quote> This.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 08/05/17 4:12:00 PM #91:	Jakyl25 posted... MenuWars posted... If she's been teasing him, then that's not even creepy, creepy to an outsider looking in yes, but everyone has their own banter and flirting is generally a pretty personal thing that makes everyone look stupid when viewed through a lens. But I don't see why that, is some sort of horrendous activity? It's abusing a power dynamic over a fan, for one thing. Uh, so a person even remotely popular isn't allowed to flirt? --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:884240057] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MenuWars posted...</cite> <quote>If she's been teasing him, then that's not even creepy, creepy to an outsider looking in yes, but everyone has their own banter and flirting is generally a pretty personal thing that makes everyone look stupid when viewed through a lens. But I don't see why that, is some sort of horrendous activity? </quote> It's abusing a power dynamic over a fan, for one thing.</quote> Uh, so a person even remotely popular isn't allowed to flirt?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/05/17 4:12:37 PM #92:	MenuWars posted... Jakyl25 posted... MenuWars posted... If she's been teasing him, then that's not even creepy, creepy to an outsider looking in yes, but everyone has their own banter and flirting is generally a pretty personal thing that makes everyone look stupid when viewed through a lens. But I don't see why that, is some sort of horrendous activity? It's abusing a power dynamic over a fan, for one thing. How? Because he even dared flirt with her? Sliding into someone's DMs and preying on her because she's a fan is super creepy, yes. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884240082] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>MenuWars posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MenuWars posted...</cite> <quote>If she's been teasing him, then that's not even creepy, creepy to an outsider looking in yes, but everyone has their own banter and flirting is generally a pretty personal thing that makes everyone look stupid when viewed through a lens. But I don't see why that, is some sort of horrendous activity? </quote> It's abusing a power dynamic over a fan, for one thing.</quote> How? Because he even dared flirt with her?</quote> Sliding into someone's DMs and preying on her because she's a fan is super creepy, yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MenuWars 08/05/17 4:13:33 PM #93:	I'm still not saying this guy is completely innocent btw, nor defending him, but I absolutely think calling what he did in that tweet horrendous, or abuse of power is fucking SJW madness. I use SJW to mean Political correctness gone mad, just because you're a feminist or political activist or whatever doesn't mean you're an SJW I add this disclaimer because I should probably find another way of phrasing it but can't be bothered. --- I'm bad at Maffs. BEDMAS Bioshock, Earthworm Jim, Diablo 2, Mass Effect 2, Ark: Survival Evolved, Super Meat Boy <cite>MenuWars posted [p:884240127] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote>I'm still not saying this guy is completely innocent btw, nor defending him, but I absolutely think calling what he did in that tweet horrendous, or abuse of power is fucking SJW madness. I use SJW to mean Political correctness gone mad, just because you're a feminist or political activist or whatever doesn't mean you're an SJW I add this disclaimer because I should probably find another way of phrasing it but can't be bothered.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 08/05/17 4:13:46 PM #94:	if this was just e-celeb and fan that's not a "power dynamic." teacher and student, journo and dev - yes. but e-celeb and fan? nah. he holds no power over her to be categorized as such and is a fairly common way relationships start. person's a fan of your work -> they introduce themselves -> you both express interest -> you have a relationship. if you do that to a lot of people it can be creepy but it doesn't have to be and it can be the start of a proper relationship. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:884240140] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote>if this was just e-celeb and fan that's not a "power dynamic." teacher and student, journo and dev - yes. but e-celeb and fan? nah. he holds no power over her to be categorized as such and is a fairly common way relationships start. person's a fan of your work -> they introduce themselves -> you both express interest -> you have a relationship. if you do that to a lot of people it can be creepy but it doesn't have to be and it can be the start of a proper relationship.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LapisLazuli 08/05/17 4:14:56 PM #95:	Some people playing there cards here, huh. --- **** Netflix <cite>LapisLazuli posted [p:884240200] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote>Some people playing there cards here, huh.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 08/05/17 4:15:29 PM #96:	HotDogButts posted... If thats your standard of horrendous activity I have terrible new for you jakyll. Every single person in the world with an iota of popularity has acted in that way. The only thing bad about those twitter pics is how fucking terrible he is at flirting. Deliberately sought out sex with fans? I don't buy it. --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:884240230] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>HotDogButts posted...</cite> <quote>If thats your standard of horrendous activity I have terrible new for you jakyll. Every single person in the world with an iota of popularity has acted in that way. The only thing bad about those twitter pics is how fucking terrible he is at flirting.</quote> Deliberately sought out sex with fans? I don't buy it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HotDogButts 08/05/17 4:17:39 PM #97:	Flirted with a fan, actually. --- Burns then confronted him about the fart and Willie became agitated, telling her to shut up <cite>HotDogButts posted [p:884240324] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote>Flirted with a fan, actually.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 08/05/17 4:17:50 PM #98:	Jakyl25 posted... MenuWars posted... Jakyl25 posted... MenuWars posted... If she's been teasing him, then that's not even creepy, creepy to an outsider looking in yes, but everyone has their own banter and flirting is generally a pretty personal thing that makes everyone look stupid when viewed through a lens. But I don't see why that, is some sort of horrendous activity? It's abusing a power dynamic over a fan, for one thing. How? Because he even dared flirt with her? Sliding into someone's DMs and preying on her because she's a fan is super creepy, yes. Preying on her?? She's an adult and is going along with it, dude. And she LITERALLY says she teases him more, so is your stabce that "e-celebrities" can never flirt or DM women that know them? I'm trying to understand where the line is. --- Phantom Dust. <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:884240332] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MenuWars posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MenuWars posted...</cite> <quote>If she's been teasing him, then that's not even creepy, creepy to an outsider looking in yes, but everyone has their own banter and flirting is generally a pretty personal thing that makes everyone look stupid when viewed through a lens. But I don't see why that, is some sort of horrendous activity? </quote> It's abusing a power dynamic over a fan, for one thing.</quote> How? Because he even dared flirt with her?</quote> Sliding into someone's DMs and preying on her because she's a fan is super creepy, yes.</quote> Preying on her?? She's an adult and is going along with it, dude. And she LITERALLY says she teases him more, so is your stabce that "e-celebrities" can never flirt or DM women that know them? I'm trying to understand where the line is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HotDogButts 08/05/17 4:18:32 PM #99:	thats exactly what he's saying, yes --- Burns then confronted him about the fart and Willie became agitated, telling her to shut up <cite>HotDogButts posted [p:884240366] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote>thats exactly what he's saying, yes</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 08/05/17 4:18:34 PM #100:	Jakyl25 posted... Sliding into someone's DMs and preying on her because she's a fan is super creepy, yes. counterpoint: she was regularly DM'ing him and asking him for favors too, like getting a sandwich for what i assume is her friend. and in the conversation where he's hitting on her, she's talking to him first, which ditches the whole "sliding into her DMs" bit as she's the one initiating contact. i wouldn't say he's preying on her either but that's a language thing. just in terms of basic facts, he's not sliding into her DMs, they were having regular conversations and badly flirting was a part of that. --- "Maybe it's a tentacle, molesting the planet itself. - Aschen Brodel. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:884240368] in So it turn... [t:75639126]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jakyl25 posted...</cite> <quote> Sliding into someone's DMs and preying on her because she's a fan is super creepy, yes.</quote> counterpoint: she was regularly DM'ing him and asking him for favors too, like getting a sandwich for what i assume is her friend. and in the conversation where he's hitting on her, she's talking to him first, which ditches the whole "sliding into her DMs" bit as she's the one initiating contact. i wouldn't say he's preying on her either but that's a language thing. just in terms of basic facts, he's not sliding into her DMs, they were having regular conversations and badly flirting was a part of that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Board 8 > So it turns out Nick Robinson from Polygon is a piece of shit. (+) Yeah! (+)

Board 8 > So it turns out Nick Robinson from Polygon is a piece of shit.