Current Events > Trump set to cut illegal immigration by 50%

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The new RAISE Act would:

Keep immigration preferences for the spouses and minor children of U.S. residents, encouraging the unification of nuclear families
Eliminate preferences for extended family and grown adult family members of U.S. residents
Create a renewable temporary visa for parents of U.S. citizens for care taking purposes
Eliminate the outdated visa lottery
Limit refugees offered permanent residency to 50,000 per year, in line with a 13-year average
Replace the current permanent employment-visa framework with a skills-based points system, akin to the systems used by Canada and Australia


source:
https://www.numbersusa.com/news/president-trump-endorses-new-raise-act-introduced-sens-cotton-perdue
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legal immigration
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I feel like this has a better chance of passing than his other initiatives.
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YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

legal immigration

Oops, that's what I meant
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Good
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"I have nothing against immigrants, as long as they come here legally"

XD
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Hope so
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Good. Getting back to historic levels of immigration and focusing on getting skilled people in sounds great.
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50% too low

Kid_Buu posted...

"I have nothing against immigrants, as long as they come here legally"

XD

I don't have a problem with them personally if they do it legally. But boy I tell ya where I live a drop in population would be a welcome change
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I have nothing about immigrants, but those particular immigrants are not from here...
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I honestly don't have an issue with this
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RONALD REAGAN
Remarks on the Lighting of the Torch of the Statue of Liberty
July 3, 1986

While we applaud those immigrants who stand out, whose contributions are easily discerned, we know that America's heroes are also those whose names are remembered by only a few. Many of them passed through this harbor, went by this lady, looked up at her torch, which we light tonight in their honor.

They were the men and women who labored all their lives so that their children would be well fed, clothed, and educated, the families that went through great hardship yet kept their honor, their dignity, and their faith in God. They passed on to their children those values, values that define civilization and are the prerequisites of human progress. They worked in our factories, on ships and railroads, in stores, and on road construction crews. They were teachers, lumberjacks, seamstresses, and journalists. They came from every land.

What was it that tied these profoundly different people together? What was it that made them not a gathering of individuals, but a nation? That bond that held them together, as it holds us together tonight, that bond that has stood every test and travail, is found deep in our national consciousness: an abiding love of liberty. For love of liberty, our forebears—colonists, few in number and with little to defend themselves—fought a war for independence with what was then the world's most powerful empire. For love of liberty, those who came before us tamed a vast wilderness and braved hardships which, at times, were beyond the limits of human endurance. For love of liberty, a bloody and heart-wrenching civil war was fought. And for love of liberty, Americans championed and still champion, even in times of peril, the cause of human freedom in far-off lands.

We are the keepers of the flame of liberty. We hold it high tonight for the world to see, a beacon of hope, a light unto the nations. And so with joy and celebration and with a prayer that this lamp shall never be extinguished, I ask that you all join me in this symbolic act of faith, this lighting of Miss Liberty's torch.

I don't really care about this honestly.

The left with treat this like it's fascism and were bound to the text of a 150 year old French statue but I can't be bothered to care about this one.
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Honestly who cares? Why do people act like the US should have open borders? It's not like people can come and go when they please. And also every other country has immigration restrictions.

Only fucking idiots act like it's some huge racist/xenophobic campaign to limit immigration at all.
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I'm actually surprised so many people on CE don't care about this

Tom Cotton is awful and this legislation is awful.
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Balrog0 posted...

I'm actually surprised so many people on CE don't care about this

Tom Cotton is awful and this legislation is awful.

Why should we care...? We're not all liberal SJWs
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Republican senetors have already come put against this. Like all of Trumps trash agenda, this will go nowhere.
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Balrog0 posted...

and this legislation is awful.

How so?
What are we missing by keeping out non English speaking poor people?
AND HOW THE FUCK can you argue we need more people that can't function in society, and we need a strong welfare state?

More Socialism.
Less borders.
Choose only one.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

I don't really care about this honestly.

The left with treat this like it's fascism and were bound to the text of a 150 year old French statue but I can't be bothered to care about this one.

The saddest and most hypocritical thing about the Donald Trump era is how, instead of preserving our heritage, we are throwing it away. See here, how America's commitment to immigration is thrown away as merely "the text of a 150 year old French statue" -- That is our heritage! Welcoming immigrants is our heritage as Americans! It's what makes our country special, what gives us pride in who we are. America's heritage is immigrants, its future will and must be immigrants, and its greatest legacy and soft power is as a beacon of hope to the oppressed people of the world yearning for freedom. We mustn't trade that away for anything. And that's not saying anything about the enormous economic advantage we enjoy as a result of immigration, the competitiveness it gives us in the world economy. This bill goes against everything our country stands for, and it will leave us worse off to boot.

--kresnik-- posted...

The new RAISE Act would:

Keep immigration preferences for the spouses and minor children of U.S. residents, encouraging the unification of nuclear families
Eliminate preferences for extended family and grown adult family members of U.S. residents
Create a renewable temporary visa for parents of U.S. citizens for care taking purposes
Eliminate the outdated visa lottery
Limit refugees offered permanent residency to 50,000 per year, in line with a 13-year average
Replace the current permanent employment-visa framework with a skills-based points system, akin to the systems used by Canada and Australia


source:
https://www.numbersusa.com/news/president-trump-endorses-new-raise-act-introduced-sens-cotton-perdue

Those all seem very common sense and very fair.... Who would have a problem with this other than people who will hate it just because it came from Trump?

There's literally nothing bad about this legislation. It's actually an improvement.
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Tear down the statue of liberty and give it back
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Glass_Phantom posted...

Virtue! Virtue? Where are you my virtue?!!!
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Trump cuck meltdowns are da best lol
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Glass_Phantom posted...

Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

I don't really care about this honestly.

The left with treat this like it's fascism and were bound to the text of a 150 year old French statue but I can't be bothered to care about this one.

The saddest and most hypocritical thing about the Donald Trump era is how, instead of preserving our heritage, we are throwing it away. See here, how America's commitment to immigration is thrown away as merely "the text of a 150 year old French statue" -- That is our heritage! Welcoming immigrants is our heritage as Americans! It's what makes our country special, what gives us pride in who we are. America's heritage is immigrants, its future will and must be immigrants, and its greatest legacy and soft power is as a beacon of hope to the oppressed people of the world yearning for freedom. We mustn't trade that away for anything. And that's not saying anything about the enormous economic advantage we enjoy as a result of immigration, the competitiveness it gives us in the world economy. This bill goes against everything our country stands for, and it will leave us worse off to boot.

That's not really true. This country has always been xenophobic and it's not the first time we stopped or limited immigration like the Chinese Exclusion Act and the Immigration Act of 1924 where the government stopped all immigration from Asia and Africa and put very heavy restrictions on immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe.
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...

Balrog0 posted...

and this legislation is awful.

How so?
What are we missing by keeping out non English speaking poor people?
AND HOW THE FUCK can you argue we need more people that can't function in society, and we need a strong welfare state?

More Socialism.
Less borders.
Choose only one.

You can implement a point based system without reducing the total number of immigrants, but thanks for showing your hand there.

I'm not a sjw liberal, either. I think ethnic enclaves are often amazing for local economies (Mexican areas of Detroit were the only ones thriving for decades). You can be productive without speaking English, thanks to the same market processes that let me buy shit from Japan without speaking Japanese.

The problem we have with our labor force is it's lack of relevant skills not too much competition from low skill immigrants
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TrollSlayer11 posted...

There's literally nothing bad about this legislation. It's actually an improvement.

1. The US is not an immigration outlier. Our immigration is comparable to other countries, whether it's the average annual inflow of immigrants as a percent of population or the stock of immigrants as a percent of the population.

Source: https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/modeledbehavior/2012/11/18/is-the-u-s-the-most-immigrant-friendly-country-in-the-world


2. There's nothing to show immigration has anything other than a small, inconsistent effect on native-born workers, with no evidence to show a large detrimental impact on less-educated workers.

Source: http://voxeu.org/article/refugees-have-little-effect-native-worker-wages


3. Economists strongly agree the average US citizen would be better off if a larger number of highly educated foreign workers were legally allowed to immigrate to the US each year.

Source: http://www.igmchicago.org/surveys/high-skilled-immigrants


4. A demographic-driven slowdown in US labor force growth means real GDP growth is likely to be slower in the future than in the past.

Source: http://www.aei.org/publication/why-slowing-us-labor-force-growth-is-bad-for-us-economic-growth/


5. Fifth, slower labor force growth means we need faster productivity. And “evidence also shows that immigrant scientists and entrepreneurs play a disproportionate role in driving the technological advances that power productivity growth in the United States.”

Source: https://piie.com/system/files/documents/pb17-26.pdf


That said, isn’t this bill off point? How about a bill to sharply boost overall immigration with an emphasis on attracting many, many more immigrant scientists and entrepreneurs?

WTF?

Your point #2 says "There's nothing to show immigration has anything other than a small, inconsistent effect on native-born workers, with no evidence to show a large detrimental impact on less-educated workers."

So why do economists then conclude in points 3, 4, and 5, that immigrants are better for the economy?

Also Trump's bill bases immigration on things vital to the workforce like English ability and high skilled people so again, how is this bill bad?

You guys are hilarious
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why are all republicans racist smh
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Here is the thing:

If Trump got rid of all illegals, it still wouldn't fix the economy. Not even close.

Strategic deportation is what we need.

Deporting too many illegals has its negative consequences and not deporting enough also has its negative consequences. The argument that we should be having is determining where that sweet spot is because there's a point of diminishing returns.


Deporting immigrants that are criminals and are burden to society is smart because they need to go.
Deporting immigrants who contribute to the economy is foolish because its a lose-lose scenario.

We want to get sick of winning, remember?

Also, Obama did not ignore the immigration issue. His rate of deportations was considerably higher than Bush. The way he differed from Trump was he focused on illegals who had actually committed crimes in the U.S. after immigrating -- a smart policy in terms of both crime and immigration. Trump is just playing to his base who has nothing to feel good about except having been born in America.
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Glass_Phantom posted...

RONALD REAGAN
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Oh, shit, I didn't know you were a Republican. Your previous posts implied otherwise. TIL.
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The bill is titled The Wall and Mexico Will Pay For It
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--kresnik-- posted...

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

legal immigration

Oops, that's what I meant

I "believe" you.
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TrollSlayer11 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

I'm actually surprised so many people on CE don't care about this

Tom Cotton is awful and this legislation is awful.

Why should we care...? We're not all liberal SJWs

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IllegalAlien posted...

--kresnik-- posted...

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

legal immigration

Oops, that's what I meant

I "believe" you.

*looks at username*
Oh, now I get it.
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I don't get why they don't just execute them to get the point across.
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topic tittle doesnt match OP


and seems Trump changed his mind again

he said he was going to stop all legal inmigration for 2 or 3 years
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Krystalcyanide posted...

I don't get why they don't just execute them to get the point across.

Because that isn't how the government works.
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Guess that "big beautiful door" won't be so big after all.
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To see everybody in agreement is good. Especially with such a difficult issue.
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This is totally fair and seems like a good law
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What's the end goal of this immigration policy?
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Damn_Underscore posted...

This is totally fair and seems like a good law

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trumps-plan-to-cut-legal-immigration-could-hurt-the-economy/

There is far less disagreement among economists about the RAISE Act’s other big proposal, which halves the number of green cards issued each year. Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s analytics, called the move a “grave mistake” in an interview with The Washington Post. Zandi is hardly alone: In April, nearly 1,500 economists from across the political spectrum signed a letter to Trump and congressional leaders extolling the economic benefits of immigration. They noted immigrants’ high rate of entrepreneurship, a key issue at a time when Americans are starting fewer companies, and emphasized the importance of bringing new workers to the U.S. to fill the hole left by retiring baby boomers. Trump has made the (already dubious) promise to boost U.S. economic growth to 3 percent per year; reaching that goal will be even harder with fewer immigrants on hand to bolster the U.S. workforce.
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Ok well I don't really value 538's speculation, let's see what the actual results are.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Ok well I don't really value 538's speculation, let's see what the actual results are.

"something made God Emperor look bad so I choose not to acknowledge it"
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Ok well I don't really value 538's speculation, let's see what the actual results are.

it is 1,500 economists, not 538's opinion

but it is your choice whether or not to believe them.
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Balrog0 posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

Ok well I don't really value 538's speculation, let's see what the actual results are.

it is 1,500 economists, not 538's opinion

but it is your choice whether or not to believe them.

where do economists get their education? college. what are colleges? liberal. what do Trump supporters hate more than anything else? liberals. ergo Trump supporters hate education and thus hate economists.

QED
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This would just restrict who gets to immigrate to the US. There will still be immigrants and hopefully a higher % of skilled immigrants who will make the country better
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