Current Events > Anyone else dislike how much DC is pushing Cyborg?

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I mean I liked him with the Teen Titans but he feels a bit overexposed now. I mean, making him a founding member of the JLA? C'mon now...
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If it's bad, I'll be right here with you. He's never been all that interesting to me and this is weird. That said, if he slays the silver screen, I'm completely here for it and I will categorically deny every having been ambivalent towards this character.

I'm willing to withhold judgment until I have more information/have seen the movie.
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You're a little late in this opinion. Like 6 years late.
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hollow_shrine posted...

If it's bad, I'll be right here with you. He's never been all that interesting to me and this is weird. That said, if he slays the silver screen, I'm completely hear for it and I will categorically deny every having been ambivalent towards this character.

I'm willing to withhold judgment until I have more information/have seen the movie.

That's the thing. He's coming across as the most boring character in the new Justice League movie. I would have preferred to see him replaced with Hal Jordan to add a more interesting dynamic to the team.
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My only problem with him is that to make room for him as a founding member of the League, they had to remove Martian Manhunter, a vastly superior character.
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It's funny cause despite the push he's still the most boring character in whichever work he's featured in.
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This isn't about the toughest woman on the planet at all.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

My only problem with him is that to make room for him as a founding member of the League, they had to remove Martian Manhunter, a vastly superior character.

That's not too bad. Nobody can seem to write for him anyways and all he does is job.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

If it's bad, I'll be right here with you. He's never been all that interesting to me and this is weird. That said, if he slays the silver screen, I'm completely hear for it and I will categorically deny every having been ambivalent towards this character.

I'm willing to withhold judgment until I have more information/have seen the movie.

That's the thing. He's coming across as the most boring character in the new Justice League movie. I would have preferred to see him replaced with Hal Jordan to add a more interesting dynamic to the team.

He isn't replacing Hal at all. It has been highly speculated that Hal will be in the movie, he's just being saved and not spoiled like how WW was treated in BvS.

It's more like he's replacing Martian Manhunter.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I mean I liked him with the Teen Titans but he feels a bit overexposed now. I mean, making him a founding member of the JLA? C'mon now...

"Why turn superheroes black? Why not just use the ones you already have or make new ones?"
"anyone just kind of tired of (comic company) promoting (originally black superhero)?"
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I don't dislike Cyborg or mind him being on the team. I just dislike that J'onn gets shafted over it.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I mean I liked him with the Teen Titans but he feels a bit overexposed now. I mean, making him a founding member of the JLA? C'mon now...

"Why turn superheroes black? Why not just use the ones you already have or make new ones?"
"anyone just kind of tired of (comic company) promoting (originally black superhero)?"

Why are you making this a race thing?

I don't have to like a character just because they're black. And John Stewart is a vastly more interesting character than Cyborg.

With that being said, like I said, I didn't mind his characterization in the Teen Titans show. But in everything else he's just boring.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I mean I liked him with the Teen Titans but he feels a bit overexposed now. I mean, making him a founding member of the JLA? C'mon now...

"Why turn superheroes black? Why not just use the ones you already have or make new ones?"
"anyone just kind of tired of (comic company) promoting (originally black superhero)?"

Why are you making this a race thing?

I don't have to like a character just because they're black. And John Stewart is a vastly more interesting character than Cyborg.

With that being said, like I said, I didn't mind his characterization in the Teen Titans show. But in everything else he's just boring.

Why do you think Martian Manhunter is more interesting than Cyborg?
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Why do you think Martian Manhunter is more interesting than Cyborg?

Better and more unique powers by far, and Cyborg is younger and seems like a better fit for the Teen Titans.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I mean I liked him with the Teen Titans but he feels a bit overexposed now. I mean, making him a founding member of the JLA? C'mon now...

"Why turn superheroes black? Why not just use the ones you already have or make new ones?"
"anyone just kind of tired of (comic company) promoting (originally black superhero)?"

Why are you making this a race thing?

I don't have to like a character just because they're black. And John Stewart is a vastly more interesting character than Cyborg.

With that being said, like I said, I didn't mind his characterization in the Teen Titans show. But in everything else he's just boring.

Why do you think Martian Manhunter is more interesting than Cyborg?

I didn't say Martian Manhunter was more interesting (although he is).
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Terra-enforcer posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Why do you think Martian Manhunter is more interesting than Cyborg?

Better and more unique powers by far, and Cyborg is younger and seems like a better fit for the Teen Titans.

second hand copies of Superman and Professor X powers are unique now?
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When you say he's boring, do you mean the character and his powers? Or do you mean the lines and stuff he has?
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Terra-enforcer posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Why do you think Martian Manhunter is more interesting than Cyborg?

Better and more unique powers by far, and Cyborg is younger and seems like a better fit for the Teen Titans.

Yeah that's what it really boils down to. He was a fun character when he was a teen hanging out with other teens. But in the Justice League he's just sort of...There. In the new movie, it seems like Flash is the youthful optimist of the group so Cyborg doesn't really have a standout personality like the other members (well, Superman is still kinda boring in the DCEU as well...)
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

I didn't say Martian Manhunter was more interesting (although he is).

Well you didn't but I feel like that's what you were getting at with your "Founding Member of JLA" plus David Goyer's comments which are both DCEU related.
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Martian Manhunter is a fan favorite because of Justice League. I won't pretend to know what he's like in the comics, but I loved him in JL and a couple other animated DC stuff that I've watched (The New Frontier and Young Justice).

And yeah, he's just got much more interesting powers. More than most characters in the DC universe.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Why do you think Martian Manhunter is more interesting than Cyborg?

Better and more unique powers by far, and Cyborg is younger and seems like a better fit for the Teen Titans.

He has the same powerset as superman, except he can shapeshift and read people's minds. He doesn't ever do much of anything in a team cause Superman already has all of Superman's powers, plus he's much more popular. In almost everything he's in (not too sure about the comics) all he ever does is brood at the JL tower or just gets his asskicked. At least Cyborg, boring as he is, has more unique traits to bring to the table.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

now?

Why are you trying so hard to start an argument when no one else is?
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emblem boy posted...

When you say he's boring, do you mean the character and his powers? Or do you mean the lines and stuff he has?

His design is pretty bland for starters. And he seems really boring from trailers.

When he was the goofball teen jock that also happened to be a super genius hacker, he was awesome.
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In Teen Titans he was my favorite. But in Injustice he had 0 personality and I'm assuming that's what he's like in New 52 and will be like in the movie
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WizardPowers posted...

In Teen Titans he was my favorite. But in Injustice he had 0 personality and I'm assuming that's what he's like in New 52 and will be like in the movie

I'm trying not to base my opinion of him off of Injustice because everybody is sort of just an asshole version of themselves (at least on the Regime side).

Because holy shit Damian Wayne is an insufferable prick in that game.
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ZCheveyo posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

now?

Why are you trying so hard to start an argument when no one else is?

I wasn't the one who stormed into GameFAQs with a topic about how Cyborg was boring and Hal Jordan / John Stewart / Martian Manhunter / random character is superior.

I mean I was actually trying to say that he was being promoted specifically to appeal to "comic purists" type people who are aware of characters like Cyborg and want more of them and less "It's Captain America, but now he's Black."

But then you come in and are all trying to shit on this effort by DC trying to actually do the right thing by promoting Cyborg.

Because of some backwards opinion like "Martian Manhunter has unique and better powers!"

I need to doublecheck to see how much overlap there is between people who insist Superman is a bad character because of his powers but think Martian Manhunter is great.

Start a new hero team. Super League of Super Hipsters or some shit.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Terra-enforcer posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Why do you think Martian Manhunter is more interesting than Cyborg?

Better and more unique powers by far, and Cyborg is younger and seems like a better fit for the Teen Titans.

second hand copies of Superman and Professor X powers are unique now?

Considering he's more than just that, yes.

3rd_Best_Master posted...

He has the same powerset as superman, except he can shapeshift and read people's minds. He doesn't ever do much of anything in a team cause Superman already has all of Superman's powers, plus he's much more popular. In almost everything he's in (not too sure about the comics) all he ever does is brood at the JL tower or just gets his asskicked. At least Cyborg, boring as he is, has more unique traits to bring to the table.

Yeah, that's not what Manhunter does in the comics at all, so that's no really a good point against him.

And this Cyborg doesn't even seem as interesting as the normal Cyborg. He seems incredibly serious and almost emotionless in every clip we've seen of him. So sounds like a step down from even the animated Manhunter or whatever you were referring to.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

WizardPowers posted...

In Teen Titans he was my favorite. But in Injustice he had 0 personality and I'm assuming that's what he's like in New 52 and will be like in the movie

I'm trying not to base my opinion of him off of Injustice because everybody is sort of just an asshole version of themselves (at least on the Regime side).

Because holy shit Damian Wayne is an insufferable prick in that game.

He's an insufferable prick in everything. It's by design though because of who his grandfather is.

BUT

the Injustice video game does NOT give him a fair shake. He's more sympathetic in the injustice comics.
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Don't really care about Cyborg tbh. Aquaman is who I'm most hyped for in the movie.
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Terra-enforcer posted...

And this Cyborg doesn't even seem as interesting as the normal Cyborg. He seems incredibly serious and almost emotionless in every clip we've seen of him. So sounds like a step down from even the animated Manhunter or whatever you were referring to.

Should bring in the TTGo Cyborg just to round him out.
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Nobody's said the obvious.

DC is trying to make Cyborg their Iron Man-type tech hero for the JL.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

ZCheveyo posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

now?

Why are you trying so hard to start an argument when no one else is?

I wasn't the one who stormed into GameFAQs with a topic about how Cyborg was boring and Hal Jordan / John Stewart / Martian Manhunter / random character is superior.

I mean I was actually trying to say that he was being promoted specifically to appeal to "comic purists" type people who are aware of characters like Cyborg and want more of them and less "It's Captain America, but now he's Black."

But then you come in and are all trying to shit on this effort by DC trying to actually do the right thing by promoting Cyborg.

Because of some backwards opinion like "Martian Manhunter has unique and better powers!"

I need to doublecheck to see how much overlap there is between people who insist Superman is a bad character because of his powers but think Martian Manhunter is great.

Start a new hero team. Super League of Super Hipsters or some shit.

I don't think a character's powerset makes or breaks them either, but in this particular case I'm thinking of the fairly new DC film universe. Not much is really established yet, so a character's abilities are a big thing to work off of. I just think all the stuff MM can do would be more interesting to watch than whatever Cyborg can do.
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Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

Don't really care about Cyborg tbh. Aquaman is who I'm most hyped for in the movie.

My most hype new character is Barry Allen. I don't feel like the trailers have shown enough of Cyborg or Aquaman to make good judgements. We've basically only seen them in action scenes.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

ZCheveyo posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

now?

Why are you trying so hard to start an argument when no one else is?

I wasn't the one who stormed into GameFAQs with a topic about how Cyborg was boring and Hal Jordan / John Stewart / Martian Manhunter / random character is superior.

I mean I was actually trying to say that he was being promoted specifically to appeal to "comic purists" type people who are aware of characters like Cyborg and want more of them and less "It's Captain America, but now he's Black."

But then you come in and are all trying to shit on this effort by DC trying to actually do the right thing by promoting Cyborg.

Because of some backwards opinion like "Martian Manhunter has unique and better powers!"

I need to doublecheck to see how much overlap there is between people who insist Superman is a bad character because of his powers but think Martian Manhunter is great.

Start a new hero team. Super League of Super Hipsters or some shit.

Holy shit, you got super defensive so fast.

First off, nothing about race was mentioned yet you brought it up just to be confrontational. Even though I'm black, I don't have to like every black superhero just because they're black. That's silly. White people don't go around liking every white character just because they're white, so why am I obligated to like a black character that isn't appealing to me? There's plenty of black characters I like; Cyborg's current incarnation isn't one of them.

And why are you taking so much offense to people thinking Martian Manhunter, for whatever reason, is a more interesting character? That's their opinion.
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Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

Don't really care about Cyborg tbh. Aquaman is who I'm most hyped for in the movie.

Agreed, it's nice to see Aquaman on the silver screen kicking ass. He was the butt end for many jokes because of Robot Chicken, but I'm glad that DC managed to make him cool again.
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It's best to ignore ChromaticAngel in comic book related discussions.
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Ivynn posted...

Nobody's said the obvious.

DC is trying to make Cyborg their Iron Man-type tech hero for the JL.

And Iron-Man was a fairly boring character in the comics too before RDJ came in and reinvented the character.

They're also trying to make Aquaman their equivalent of Thor by having him be the jolly badass warrior, but Aquaman seems like a fun character in the movie so I'm cool with it.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

I don't think a character's powerset makes or breaks them either, but in this particular case I'm thinking of the fairly new DC film universe. Not much is really established yet, so a character's abilities are a big thing to work off of. I just think all the stuff MM can do would be more interesting to watch than whatever Cyborg can do.

That's ultimately where you're wrong. One of the reasons of the huge push for Cyborg (which started years ago in the comics) is because Cyborg's powers lend him to becoming more powerful as time progressed and more advanced technology became available. He was not that powerful when he was first written because technology wasn't as advanced as it was now.

Shit like the omnipresence of the internet and other things gave rise to plots and stories with Cyborg that weren't previously possible. Cyborg gets more interesting as time goes on.

The most interesting parts of Martian Manhunter are part of his biography, not his future.
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you leave cyborg alone!
he has had a hard life!


he knows what its like to be discriminated against because of something he cant help
because he is .................. half robot
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ChromaticAngel posted...

I wasn't the one who stormed into GameFAQs with a topic about how Cyborg was boring and Hal Jordan / John Stewart / Martian Manhunter / random character is superior.

Asking you that was my first post in this topic....

However, if you go back and look, your first post in this topic is literally implying racist undertones for someone not liking Cyborg being in the movie. For no fucking reason whatsoever you threw out the race card. That is "start an argument 101".
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Even though I'm black, I don't have to like every black superhero just because they're black. That's silly.

Not everything is about you. Lots of people have wanted this for a very long time.
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ZCheveyo posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

I wasn't the one who stormed into GameFAQs with a topic about how Cyborg was boring and Hal Jordan / John Stewart / Martian Manhunter / random character is superior.

Asking you that was my first post in this topic....

However, if you go back and look, your first post in this topic is literally implying racist undertones for someone not liking Cyborg being in the movie. For no fucking reason whatsoever you threw out the race card. That is "start an argument 101".

No. Start an argument is to create a thread and say "(character x) is boring and stupid and doesn't deserve the popularity they have."

If you don't believe me, feel free to say that about Wolverine on the MVCI board.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

Not everything is about you. Lots of people have wanted this for a very long time.

But you specifically made this comment in MY topic, expressing MY opinion.
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Lightsasori posted...

Teh_Dr_Phil posted...

Don't really care about Cyborg tbh. Aquaman is who I'm most hyped for in the movie.

Agreed, it's nice to see Aquaman on the silver screen kicking ass. He was the butt end for many jokes because of Robot Chicken, but I'm glad that DC managed to make him cool again.

Superfriends made Aquaman the butt of jokes since the 70's. To this day, many still see him as a lame hero who only "swims fast and talks to fish." For years they've tried over-compensating in other direction to make him badass (like giving him a beard and a harpoon hand). Nice to see them finally succeeding in making modern audiences be interested in him again.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Ivynn posted...

Nobody's said the obvious.

DC is trying to make Cyborg their Iron Man-type tech hero for the JL.

And Iron-Man was a fairly boring character in the comics too before RDJ came in and reinvented the character.

True. Didn't say DC were doing a good job at it.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

I don't think a character's powerset makes or breaks them either, but in this particular case I'm thinking of the fairly new DC film universe. Not much is really established yet, so a character's abilities are a big thing to work off of. I just think all the stuff MM can do would be more interesting to watch than whatever Cyborg can do.

That's ultimately where you're wrong. One of the reasons of the huge push for Cyborg (which started years ago in the comics) is because Cyborg's powers lend him to becoming more powerful as time progressed and more advanced technology became available. He was not that powerful when he was first written because technology wasn't as advanced as it was now.

Shit like the omnipresence of the internet and other things gave rise to plots and stories with Cyborg that weren't previously possible. Cyborg gets more interesting as time goes on.

The most interesting parts of Martian Manhunter are part of his biography, not his future.

I mean maybe. I've already admitted I know nothing about the comics. All I can say is that I liked MM in all the portrayals of him I've seen more than I liked Cyborg in all the portrayals of him I've seen.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

Not everything is about you. Lots of people have wanted this for a very long time.

But you specifically made this comment in MY topic, expressing MY opinion.

and my opinion is that your opinion is stupid. Cyborg is a fantastic character.

That doesn't mean that MM/Hal/Stewart/whatever aren't also great characters, but the idea that Cyborg somehow deserves this less than some others purely based on his appearance in Teen Titans is nonsense.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

No. Start an argument is to create a thread and say "(character x) is boring and stupid and doesn't deserve the popularity they have."

No, starting an argument is playing the racecard for absolutely no reason when somebody expresses that they don't like a certain character being shoved down our throats.
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Cyborg is boring because he is "I am athletic football kid with computer brain"

Jon Stewart on the other hand is a like a grissly middle aged man who has seen some s*** and got swag to make Hawkgirl wanna drop her panties for him


I guess it is more because Cyborg is an inexperienced kid, it is just kinda meh


and tbh the kid flash comes off the same way, why not just have and older veteran flash?
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

No. Start an argument is to create a thread and say "(character x) is boring and stupid and doesn't deserve the popularity they have."

No, starting an argument is playing the racecard for absolutely no reason when somebody expresses that they don't like a certain character being shoved down our throats.

Literally an argument over what constitutes starting an argument.

I'm gonna get back to work.
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ChromaticAngel posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

ChromaticAngel posted...

No. Start an argument is to create a thread and say "(character x) is boring and stupid and doesn't deserve the popularity they have."

No, starting an argument is playing the racecard for absolutely no reason when somebody expresses that they don't like a certain character being shoved down our throats.

Literally an argument over what constitutes starting an argument.

I'm gonna get back to work.

You are literally the only person arguing here. Nobody else in this topic found my comment hostile or aggressive enough to start getting on the defensive for no reason.

You start off trying to defend the character by going "YOU WON'T SUPPORT A BLACK CHARACTER? SHAME ON YOU" then get into a rage war arguing with people who say they find Martian Manhunter more interesting.
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