Current Events > Do you consider Light Yagami a bad guy?

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Solar_Crimson posted...

TheRealDill2000 posted...

K181 posted...

He murdered innocent people. So, yes. Bad guy.

Point out one instance of this.

The investigators on his case?
Naomi Misora?

The investigators opposed the laws of their land. That made them villains. Haven't seen the series in a while, but I assume Naomi is the lady he dated. If my memory serves me right, she killed herself...
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I loved the ending. It was perfect to me. I dont see how it could go any other way. Go watch Code Geass and the future diaries for other awesome endings.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

CartmanMustDie posted...

The investigators can be considered self-defense though since he'd be executed if he's found out.

So does that mean an actual murderer can kill the police who are coming after him in self-defense?

People seem to be fine when sympathetic thieves, framed action heroes, spies etc. kill security guards and police who are just doing their jobs in GTA, games, and action movies.
Usually, actual murderers are judged by the innocent civilian people they kill, not the law enforcement.

CartmanMustDie posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

CartmanMustDie posted...

The investigators can be considered self-defense though since he'd be executed if he's found out.

So does that mean an actual murderer can kill the police who are coming after him in self-defense?

People seem to be fine when sympathetic thieves, framed action heroes, spies etc. kill security guards and police who are just doing their jobs in GTA, games, and action movies.
Usually, actual murderers are judged by the innocent civilian people they kill, not the law enforcement.

Except Light worked with them for years. Got to know them as individuals and colleagues. He met their wives and their children and spent countless hours with them. He still tried to kill them all.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

CartmanMustDie posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

CartmanMustDie posted...

The investigators can be considered self-defense though since he'd be executed if he's found out.

So does that mean an actual murderer can kill the police who are coming after him in self-defense?

People seem to be fine when sympathetic thieves, framed action heroes, spies etc. kill security guards and police who are just doing their jobs in GTA, games, and action movies.
Usually, actual murderers are judged by the innocent civilian people they kill, not the law enforcement.

Except Light worked with them for years. Got to know them as individuals and colleagues. He met their wives and their children and spent countless hours with them. He still tried to kill them all.

So it's like a spy disguising themselves as the enemy. Like the main girl in inglorious basterds.

Albel-Nox posted...

He was a sociopathic imbecile who was outsmarted by a detective that eats candy all, who was also overseas.

and then a kid who plays with toys while deducing
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His methods were working so you have to give him credit for that. Whether he was good or evil, he improved society.
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We enjoy watching villains and anti-heroes, yes. But we don't hold them up as moral figures (at least not for killing police, unless the police themselves are corrupt).
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When death is entreated, the battle is decided.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

We enjoy watching villains and anti-heroes, yes. But we don't hold them up as moral figures (at least not for killing police, unless the police themselves are corrupt).

No one's saying killing police makes you a moral figure. It's that killing people who are after your life, even if you know they're decent people just doing their job, is pretty justifiable.

CartmanMustDie posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

We enjoy watching villains and anti-heroes, yes. But we don't hold them up as moral figures (at least not for killing police, unless the police themselves are corrupt).

No one's saying killing police makes you a moral figure. It's that killing people who are after your life, even if you know they're decent people just doing their job, is pretty justifiable.

They're still innocents though, which still goes against what Kira was supposedly all about.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

CartmanMustDie posted...

Dragonblade01 posted...

We enjoy watching villains and anti-heroes, yes. But we don't hold them up as moral figures (at least not for killing police, unless the police themselves are corrupt).

No one's saying killing police makes you a moral figure. It's that killing people who are after your life, even if you know they're decent people just doing their job, is pretty justifiable.

They're still innocents though, which still goes against what Kira was supposedly all about.

Kira was petty enough to go after people who weren't productive, I'm sure he would've seen the attempted abduction and "murder" of himself as a bigger crime than that. It's already a justifiable reason for heroic characters.

Not when the character in question is supposed to be the epitome of moral law.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

Not when the character in question is supposed to be the epitome of moral law.

The character in question is insane and has a god complex. His willingness to kill unproductive law abiding citizens already prove that. He would justify it so that it would fit his morals. Which is easy since it's already justifiable for most people. Like I said, it's self defense.

Damn... I am just currently going through Death Note for the 3rd (or forth) time right now. Just got to ep 26 where Kira IS now L.

After each viewing of this series... I was once Team Kira all the way. But I have gradually started becoming Team L over the past ten years or so
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

I went through the whole series not liking him and considering him an asshole, but it was the way he handled himself at the very end that made me consider him a bitch.

I wish the series didn't end that way. smh.

The manga has a somewhat different ending. And there is a (really GOOD) fan made ending where Kira and Ryuk end up in the Shinigami world and Light says he will aim to "take over" the Great Death King... to which Ryuk exclaims to be VERY interesting
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JayceeTHUNDER posted...

there is a (really GOOD) fan made ending where Kira and Ryuk end up in the Shinigami world and Light says he will aim to "take over" the Great Death King

Gross
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Vindris_SNH posted...

Yeah he was definitely a bad guy. Still wanted him to win though.

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Yagami Light is flawed. Yagami Light's world is the definition of perfection.
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the4got10-1 posted...

Yagami Light's world is the definition of perfection.

A world ruled in fear of a godlike being who can strike down anyone who takes his fancy.
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pegusus123456 posted...

the4got10-1 posted...

Yagami Light's world is the definition of perfection.

A world ruled in fear of a godlike being who can strike down anyone who takes his fancy.

You call it "being ruled in fear", I call it "living a normal life".

Wake up, wash up, eat breakfast, go to work, eat lunch, work, eat dinner, go back home, wash up, sleep.

Have fun on weekends, go karaoke, sports, what have you. Normal fun, not stuff like recreational drugs or smoking or alcohol.

The only people who getting affected by Light's judgment are worthless scum who are public nuisances anyway.

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I have always wondered since I was a teenager why the legal system does not give a maximum (not mandatory, just in case you misread it) punishment of the death penalty for every crime.

If you steal once, okay maybe you are young and rash.

You steal twice, you obviously already have no intention of turning a new leaf. Maybe some pain (around 4-6 strokes of the cane?) might scare you.

If even pain doesn't deter you, then you can just die. The only effect on society will be a net positive one.

Then I watched Death Note. The result is as expected, perfection for the everyday person.

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Of course, you can talk about external factors like famine forcing people to turn violent etc., but those are logistical issues, limitations caused by an imperfect world

If we just look at Light's world on its own merit, it's literally flawless.
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the4got10-1 posted...

You call it "being ruled in fear", I call it "living a normal life".

Aside from the small, nagging suspicion that there exists someone out there who can strike you down whenever he wants.
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pegusus123456 posted...

the4got10-1 posted...

You call it "being ruled in fear", I call it "living a normal life".

Aside from the small, nagging suspicion that there exists someone out there who can strike you down whenever he wants.

What bad things are you doing that you need to live in suspicion that a perfect being (i.e. Light when not getting hounded by L/M/N) is out to get you?

Do you (or rather did you, since we are probably adults) shout while chasing your friends down the street, i.e. being a public nuisance? Did you draw graffiti on walls for the sake of expressing your individuality (i.e. be a public nuisance)?

Pardon me, I cannot imagine how normal people do not want living in a perfect world. Let's not talk comfortability, since that's purely a resource allocation problem. Let's just talk morality. It's literally live like a correct human being and you will be treated like one.
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the4got10-1 posted...

Pardon me, I cannot imagine how normal people do not want living in a perfect world.

It's not a perfect world. It's a world ruled by an egotistical manchild who has no issue killing anyone who stands in his way in whatever method picks his fancy.

But you did just seem to suggest that execution for tagging a wall is a reasonable reaction so I'm not sure how seriously I should take you.
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pegusus123456 posted...

But you did just seem to suggest that execution for tagging a wall is a reasonable reaction so I'm not sure how seriously I should take you.

It should be. I already said the ideal law system should impose a maximum punishment of death penalty for all crimes in a previous post (and yes, graffiti is a crime once you actually go past the minimum moral standard of not trying to harm other people). The only reason why it isn't is because the US has far more severe issues at hand. Somewhere your education system has failed.

Even the chosen methods of sucide are far more violent (i.e. mass shootings, trying to bring down the world with you). Koreans, Japanese are different, they know they are the ones who failed and not the system that failed them, all they do is jump in front of a train.

In populations where people actually have some form of basic morals not to harm other people, we can then start clamping down on the smaller stuff.
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the4got10-1 posted...

It should be.

Right, so I should ignore you, got it.
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pegusus123456 posted...

the4got10-1 posted...

It should be.

Right, so I should ignore you, got it.

You mean you don't remember Michael Fay?
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pegusus123456 posted...

It's a world ruled by an egotistical manchild who has no issue killing anyone who stands in his way in whatever method picks his fan

That's a ridiculous statement. Light was wise beyond his years and understood the regular people. His rules were in place for the benefit of that world. Death was only used for those that put the order of the world at risk.
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After each viewing of this series... I was once Team Kira all the way. But I have gradually started becoming Team L over the past ten years or so
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OneThatFollows posted...

He stopped being sympathetic in my eyes by like episode 2 when he made the decision to go after people trying to hunt him down without a second thought. These were law enforcement people who were just trying to do their jobs.

That is just like the Storm Troopers in Star Wars Episode 4: A New Hope. They're just doing their jobs for the ruling government, then they got killed by Luke Skywalker and his terrorist buddies.
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