Poll of the Day > I'd like to not eat meat

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Killing animals makes me sad. But our bodies need it and it's so fucking delicious. Oh well.

You could just eat meat that is ethically sourced.
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That's expensive man. I work in a warehouse.

After an animal dies, all of it's memories are erased from existence. The animal itself is totally unaware it ever existed because the observer of the life is erased.
Like the whole Quantum Mechanics philosophy demonstrated in 999/Zero Escape games on DS.
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SkynyrdRocker posted...

Killing animals makes me sad. But our bodies need it and it's so fucking delicious. Oh well.

Well you don't really need to eat it*. Why do you think you need it? The delicious thing I'll grant you. At this point cooking meat smells really strong and not entirely good.

* - most people are fine and do better with a fully plant based diet and appropriate supplements.

Billions go without it
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Doctor Foxx posted...

most people are fine and do better with a fully plant based diet and appropriate supplements.

Citation needed

Vegans always look like they're going to die

SkynyrdRocker posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

most people are fine and do better with a fully plant based diet and appropriate supplements.

Citation needed

Vegans always look like they're going to die

Always?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/

Healthy eating may be best achieved with a plant-based diet, which we define as a regimen that encourages whole, plant-based foods and discourages meats, dairy products, and eggs as well as all refined and processed foods. We present a case study as an example of the potential health benefits of such a diet. Research shows that plant-based diets are cost-effective, low-risk interventions that may lower body mass index, blood pressure, HbA1C, and cholesterol levels. They may also reduce the number of medications needed to treat chronic diseases and lower ischemic heart disease mortality rates. Physicians should consider recommending a plant-based diet to all their patients, especially those with high blood pressure, diabetes, cardiovascular disease, or obesity.

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Meh

Do you feel bad about eating eggs? I mean, they are classiffied as poultry, they taste amazing, and it's like an abortion so you don't have to feel as bad.
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SkynyrdRocker posted...

Meh

there is evidence that a broadly defined plant-based diet has significant health benefits. It should be noted that the term plant-based is sometimes used interchangeably with vegetarian or vegan.

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A healthy, plant-based diet requires planning, reading labels, and discipline. The recommendations for patients who want to follow a plant-based diet may include eating a variety of fruits and vegetables that may include beans, legumes, seeds, nuts, and whole grains and avoiding or limiting animal products, added fats, oils, and refined, processed carbohydrates. The major benefits for patients who decide to start a plant-based diet are the possibility of reducing the number of medications they take to treat a variety of chronic conditions, lower body weight, decreased risk of cancer, and a reduction in their risk of death from ischemic heart disease.

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Physicians should advocate that it is time to get away from terms like vegan and vegetarian and start talking about eating healthy, whole, plant-based foods (primarily fruits and vegetables) and minimizing consumption of meat, eggs, and dairy products. Physicians should be informed about these concepts so they can teach them to staff and patients.

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Let food be thy medicine and medicine be thy food.

—Hippocrates, c 460-370 BCE, ancient Greek physician in the Age of Pericles known as the father of modern medicine

So... you don't really want to

I'd say the most annoying thing is reading labels on everything, but you don't have to go all-out. Just cutting out most animal products can have substantial health benefits. If it's a morality thing, you're not going to feel any better about it later by continuing to support current meat/dairy industry practices.
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Ferarri619 posted...

Do you feel bad about eating eggs? I mean, they are classiffied as poultry, they taste amazing, and it's like an abortion so you don't have to feel as bad.

Dude... eggs are one of the worst industries for animal treatment. They kill all of the males after hatching, then keep the laying hens confined until they stop producing as much.

it's chicken ovulation anyway
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Ferarri619 posted...

Do you feel bad about eating eggs? I mean, they are classiffied as poultry, they taste amazing, and it's like an abortion so you don't have to feel as bad.

Yes, but I fucking love eggs

Doctor Foxx posted...

—Hippocrates, c 460-370 BCE, ancient Greek physician in the Age of Pericles known as the father of modern medicine

Just as a note, while Hippocrates is a really cool guy, I wouldn't actually go to him for any actual medical advice.
We have learned some stuff since then.

SkynyrdRocker posted...

Citation needed

Vegans always look like they're going to die

You're eating up a lot of anti-vegan propaganda. It's fine, a lot of people do. The animal industry literally spends millions every year lobbying it. But this is just an irresponsible blanket statement to make.

It's like Foxx said, you don't need to go all out. Literally just stop eating eggs and beef and that's a massive chunk of unchecked cruelty and waste of resources you don't have to take part in.
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shadowsword87 posted...

Just as a note, while Hippocrates is a really cool guy, I wouldn't actually go to him for any actual medical advice.
We have learned some stuff since then.

No disagreements that we have learned things. However, modern medicine is re-learning the importance of diet as the foundation of health.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

Just as a note, while Hippocrates is a really cool guy, I wouldn't actually go to him for any actual medical advice.
We have learned some stuff since then.

No disagreements that we have learned things. However, modern medicine is re-learning the importance of diet as the foundation of health.

Sure, I'm not actually against diet being important for overall health, I just don't like people mentioning Hippocrates in arguments is all.

shadowsword87 posted...

Just as a note, while Hippocrates is a really cool guy, I wouldn't actually go to him for any actual medical advice.

We have learned some stuff since then.

Wait, are you suggesting that I shouldn't bleed myself every time I catch a cold?


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Wait, are you suggesting that I shouldn't bleed myself every time I catch a cold?

No of course not!
We have leeches, we're not savages.

Bring back the humors tbh
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Kana posted...

You're eating up a lot of anti-vegan propaganda. It's fine, a lot of people do. The animal industry literally spends millions every year lobbying it. But this is just an irresponsible blanket statement to make.

It's like Foxx said, you don't need to go all out. Literally just stop eating eggs and beef and that's a massive chunk of unchecked cruelty and waste of resources you don't have to take part in.

It's alarming how much pro-meat agenda there is. There's actually paid beef shills--and you can spot them online pretty easily.

Right now red meat has a bad rap that is being downplayed, and in time other meat may be shown to have similar disease risk. It's difficult to get studies done without adequate funding.

Keep in mind that agribusiness sponsors a lot of studies (or disease societies) that try and assert that meat is needed, or that dairy is healthy and how you should get calcium. There's a huge financial incentive to keep people eating meat and processed foods. That industry influences food pyramids and dietary recommendations from governments. Studies that are not tied to agri dollars show the benefits of plant-based diets.

Canada is redoing the food pyramid and may be eliminating dairy entirely from it.

https://qz.com/523255/the-us-meat-industrys-wildly-successful-40-year-crusade-to-keep-its-hold-on-the-american-diet/

http://time.com/4130043/lobbying-politics-dietary-guidelines/

So I am willing to trust the doctors saying plant-based is the way to be, rather than take health advice from companies with interests in keeping me eating meat (and later needing more pharmaceuticals)
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I like meat and I have no plans to stop eating it
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Alright, it's decided. I'll keep eating delicious food instead of rabbit food.

shadowsword87 posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Wait, are you suggesting that I shouldn't bleed myself every time I catch a cold?

No of course not!

We have leeches, we're not savages.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3D6Ecs7VhQ&t=1m48s


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SkynyrdRocker posted...

Alright, it's decided. I'll keep eating delicious food instead of rabbit food.

You're clearly not actually receptive to the idea of reducing your animal product intake and probably just made this topic as bait, so I won't waste any more time with it.
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Kana posted...

SkynyrdRocker posted...

Alright, it's decided. I'll keep eating delicious food instead of rabbit food.

You're clearly not actually receptive to the idea of reducing your animal product intake and probably just made this topic as bait, so I won't waste any more time with it.

I'd be receptive if plant products didn't taste so much worse than animal products

SkynyrdRocker posted...

Kana posted...

SkynyrdRocker posted...

Alright, it's decided. I'll keep eating delicious food instead of rabbit food.

You're clearly not actually receptive to the idea of reducing your animal product intake and probably just made this topic as bait, so I won't waste any more time with it.

I'd be receptive if plant products didn't taste so much worse than animal products

But they taste good and you don't eat them so...?
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Doctor Foxx posted...

But they taste good and you don't eat them so...?

What plant products taste as good as meat?

SkynyrdRocker posted...

What plant products taste as good as meat?

That isn't what you stated before. It all depends on your personal taste preferences. I've found some great options, and even better when going to a veg restaurant where they make things like seitan in house. mmm.

But plant-based diets aren't meant to be centered around meat replacement products if that's what you mean by "plant product". You're meant to get nutrition from the whole meal.

Anyway, nothing tastes "so much worse than animal products" in my experience which is what you had said. It's just different and you can't think of it as meat.

SkynyrdRocker posted...

I'd be receptive if plant products didn't taste so much worse than animal products

That. Just silly. Try harder. Either in the kitchen or topic efforts. You'll get more enjoyable results.

You know what tastes really good? Chocolate cake. But like heck am I going to eat that every day, or often, because that shit is not good for a person. Tasting good justifying a poor diet explains a lot about America
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"What tastes good?"

"Troll harder."

Okay, I'll eat that then.

I don't really think it's related to pro-meat agendas but a lot of folks in North America especially are used to vegetables that are just like, steamed or boiled with no spices or anything so they completely lose all flavour. There are so many things you can do with veggies. Meat is really not that versatile to be honest.
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SkynyrdRocker posted...

"What tastes good?"

"Troll harder."

Okay, I'll eat that then.

nah lrn2cook is a better approach then you won't have the issue
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Sigh. Name good plant based dishes, then.

SkynyrdRocker posted...

Sigh. Name good plant based dishes, then.

Dude bro you're on the internet

Use the internet
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SkynyrdRocker posted...

Sigh. Name good plant based dishes, then.

I usually try to stay out of these kind of topics anymore, but:

http://allrecipes.com/recipe/64066/indian-saag/

Really, most vegetarian indian dishes are delicious, and many could be slightly adjusted for a vegan diet.

Not that I'm either mind you, but dammit if it isn't good.
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I think this is the first time I've ever started a topic trend.

https://ifunny.co/fun/5yjhGfH05
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