Poll of the Day > Is someone who kills themself a coward or brave

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disclaimer: I'm not suicidal, just curious about everyone's thoughts on the subject
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I'd be too scared to kill myself. I think.
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Himura Kenshin - "You can die anytime, but living takes true courage."

Might be a off due to translation but that's the just of it.
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Dying is one of the scariest things there is and it takes some fighting against natural instincts to do it to yourself.

Living a miserable life is more tough than brave imo.

It's more recklessness vs endurance I'd say.
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I can see it both ways, so I'm saying both.
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KogaSteelfang posted...

I can see it both ways,

I bet you can
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it's not cowardly or brave. it's just sad :(
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What if you are a massive burden to everyone but you geedily want to live forever?
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Depends on context.

They are an hero.
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Neither. You aren't thinking like a "normal" person and build a logic of misery to support/justify it.
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STOP KILLING THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE
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My ex girlfriend committed suicide last year. She was a piano player, broke, without job opportunities, without opportunities to practice her craft and hone her skills, abusive family she had to live with because no money, and would be 37 this year. We weren't particularly close since we broke up (we only dated like a few months anyway) but she was dear to me.

The point is, this was the first time someone I knew killed themselves and even though I had suicidal thoughts many many years ago, this is different and I can't really say anything about it, I can't justify it because she did have people who cared for her, but at the same time, nothing in her life was right and she simply didn't see any more opportunities to escape her fate and change her life and she also didn't have any support.
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Living is all about endurance, sacrifice and devotion. So yes, I think trying to end it all is an easy way out. It's harder to find solutions to problems and endure hardships. :(((
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The suicidal feel unconnected. We are all to blame for that, including the lost love one.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

The suicidal feel unconnected. We are all to blame for that, including the lost love one.

Hm.....your statement seems to insinuate that the surrounding people rather than the suicidal person are primarily to blame for the tragic end result. Please correct me if I misunderstood....
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SunWuKung420 posted...

We are all to blame for that,

So it's my fault my cousin killed himself?
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Alexandra_Trent posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

The suicidal feel unconnected. We are all to blame for that, including the lost loved one.

Hm.....your statement seems to insinuate that the surrounding people rather than the suicidal person are primarily to blame for the tragic end result. Please correct me if I misunderstood....

SunWuKung420 posted...

including the lost love one

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BillySastard posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

We are all to blame for that,

So it's my fault my cousin killed himself?

SunWuKung420 posted...

We are all to blame for that, including the lost love one.

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We all choose our level of connection with each other. If you're are feeling unconnected with those around you, attempt to make one. If you are given the opportunity to make a connection, or that possibility exists through familial relationships, make them.

We are not alone in this existence.
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Crazy old man tripple post

Whoop whoop
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Neither. You're just someone who decided nothing was better than something. It's rough getting to that point, but making that choice doesn't make you tough or brave or strong or weak or selfish or a coward or anything.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

We all choose our level of connection with each other. If you're are feeling unconnected with those around you, attempt to make one. If you are given the opportunity to make a connection, or that possibility exists through familial relationships, make them.

We are not alone in this existence.

I understand the underlying meaning. But this really didn't answer my question.
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"I would feel real trapped in this life if I didn't know that I could commit suicide at any time"

- Hunter S Thompson
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It's hardly black and white.
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Solid Sonic posted...

It's hardly black and white.

It's mostly asians actually.
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I personally think the cure to these thoughts is to realize there is WAY more to life than what we are all used to. A good way to understand that is to just simply run away... go someplace you think will make you feel better

suicide can happen because people feel like things will not get better. It is very, very sad seeing people get to that point. What you notice though is some people are just so used to their situation they think that this is what there life is. You can be very very successful but still have these thoughts too
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People who call suicide cowardly are just selfish
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Muffinz0rz posted...

People who call suicide cowardly are just selfish

People who think that their death only affects themselves are selfish.
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Solid Sonic posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

People who call suicide cowardly are just selfish

People who think that their death only affects themselves are selfish.

People who think other people should suffer just so they don't have to are selfish
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Solid Sonic posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

People who call suicide cowardly are just selfish

People who think that their death only affects themselves are selfish.

People who think people who commit suicide don't take this into account are clueless
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Alexandra_Trent posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

We all choose our level of connection with each other. If you're are feeling unconnected with those around you, attempt to make one. If you are given the opportunity to make a connection, or that possibility exists through familial relationships, make them.

We are not alone in this existence.

I understand the underlying meaning. But this really didn't answer my question.

Yes I did.
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Currant_Kaiser posted...

Depends on context.

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Depends on the flip.

I'd say brave, more than coward.

I've attempted it half a dozen times and the worst part is knowing you want to but having to talk yourself into doing it because you're scared.

I'd never call someone who succeeds a coward because it takes a lot of majorly depressing thoughts and experiences to drive you to the point that suicide is the only solution you can come up with to get out of that cycle of intrusive thoughts. The real cowards are those who say that people who commit suicide are cowards, because they'll never know or understand how it feels to be in that situation.
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Its sad. Its not brave or cowardly, its just sad that someone got to the point where they thought that their life was so unbearable the only escape was killing themselves.

Sunny has to be the most naive person on this board.
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I think someobe that choose to kill himself vainly are a coward cause you basically have some purpose and if you dont serve that, you have failed as a human. But old saying goes "better die beneath the dirt than live with shame on your face"
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The biggest problem (externally) comes from a lack of understanding that it's not as simple as being loved, etc. A mental illness doesn't coexist with rationality, for the most part.

Look at Robin Williams: he had it all, but his brain chemistry was faulty and it eventually led to his demise. As somebody with a... unique brain chemistry myself, I can relate to an extent, and definitely more so than the average person making false assumptions.

It's weird and no matter how clearly it's explained, it's hard to appreciate unless you're actually living with it.
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Killing yourself when there are others you can still help, misery you can help prevent, and you still have the ability to make a positive contribution is sad. I would not say it's cowardly, but it is the easy way out, and it's selfish to some extant.

If you are sick, need others to care for you and are in pain or unable to enjoy life or contribute much, then I don't think it's wrong at all, and I think it should be something that is made as easy as possible for people in such situations.

If you kill yourself when you have others who depend on you (especially kids), then you are both a coward and selfish and there is no excuse. You took the responsibility to have children apon yourself, and you should live with the consequences and ensure your kids have the best chance to grow up happy.

Just living for others can get old eventually and always focusing on helping other people can wear you down over time. I'm not saying everyone needs to be a freaking saint, but at least give helping others a chance before offing yourself, you may find it helps you find other reasons to live of your own as well. Quite often when you can find no joy in life yourself, you will find you are capable of sharing in the joy of others still.

I'm pro assisted suicide though, especially for those in constant pain and who are terminally ill. I also think everyone should have some form of written consent for assisted suicide well before they hit an age where they could be put into an assisted living facility. Those places can be horrific and I would never want to end up in one, unable to care for myself, with nothing but rushed nurses that come see me (and there are tons of people living in such situations right now). You don't need to believe in God, Heaven or Hell, cause you can find Hell right here on earth if you look for it.
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^Except, if you're crazy it's not selfish regardless of kids or other responsibilities. You're fucking insane. It's no different than hallucinating that you're Jesus or something past a point. It depends on the motivation. I'm not saying it can't be selfish sometimes, just that it's not that simple.
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TheCyborgNinja posted...

^Except, if you're crazy it's not selfish regardless of kids or other responsibilities. You're fucking crazy. It's no different than hallucinating that you're Jesus or something past a point. It depends on the motivation. I'm not saying it can't be sometimes, just that it's not that simple.

If you mean crazy in that you are not in control of your actions, or you hear voices etc, then I agree. At that point you are not really responsible for your actions as your not really in control of them.
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wolfy42 posted...

TheCyborgNinja posted...

^Except, if you're crazy it's not selfish regardless of kids or other responsibilities. You're fucking crazy. It's no different than hallucinating that you're Jesus or something past a point. It depends on the motivation. I'm not saying it can't be sometimes, just that it's not that simple.

If you mean crazy in that you are not in control of your actions, or you hear voices etc, then I agree. At that point you are not really responsible for your actions as your not really in control of them.

Yes, not of sound mind.
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you can be physically tormented to such a degree that you would beg for death, and it's exactly the same for psychological and emotional torment. just that psychologically healthy people have no experience of anything like this.

if I could reach into your mind and turn the knob for "positive emotion" all the way down to basically zero, and the knob for "negative emotion" up to 500+%, you'd be horrified. you'd do anything to get out of this emotional state, but when this is happening to you, there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. it's intense suffering with no tangible remedy.
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Sahuagin posted...

you can be physically tormented to such a degree that you would beg for death, and it's exactly the same for psychological and emotional torment. just that psychologically healthy people have no experience of anything like this.

if I could reach into your mind and turn the knob for "positive emotion" all the way down to basically zero, and the knob for "negative emotion" up to 500+%, you'd be horrified. you'd do anything to get out of this emotional state, but when this is happening to you, there isn't a damn thing you can do about it. it's intense suffering with no tangible remedy.

Even when it stops you keep having difficulty afterwards if you have lived through a period where all you have wished for is death with no way of obtaining it. It's extremely hard to recover from that. Even if you do, anytime bad stuff happens it's easy to fall back into a "I don't care about anything" state and it's almost impossible to live a life where nothing bad ever happens.

Of course, if you do take on responsibilities with such a history, then you made a choice and need to be responsible for it. Anyone who has lived through that and continues to be a productive member of society should be applauded, but then again you probably would never know they did.

Just because life sucks, and people can be monsters, does not mean you need to be one as well. I think most people who live through such experiences end up dead early, or end up hating everyone/everything and self destructing (in jail etc). The few who don't probably dedicate their lives to preventing others from having to live through such things.
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BillySastard posted...

disclaimer: I'm not suicidal, just curious about everyone's thoughts on the subject

It's rarely that simple. If it's because of mental illness then it's not a choice, or at least not one made based on facts so bravery or cowardice isn't a factor.
If you do it to save someone else, then it's obviously brave and vice versa.
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